Round 5 - Broncos vs Knights - Build Up Thread

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Props shouldn't be offloading much anyway IMO. That just invites retarded style of play that teams like Paramatta have.
 
Props should only offload if they are 100% confident it will actually help the play, and they can get the offload right.

That means Tronc should not ever offload, since he loses ground nearly every time he does it.
 
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Offloading is the same as any pass. You only do it if the receiver is in a position to receive it. Too many times the offloads get flopped out the back putting the player receiving it under pressure to pick up a loose ball while defence is bearing down on them. It's a recipe for disaster.

Mind you, our halves have been incredibly guilty of throwing passes to players under pressure too. Look at Lockyer's pass to Yow Yeh that led to Steve Michaels' try against the Titans.
 
Coxy said:
Offloading is the same as any pass. You only do it if the receiver is in a position to receive it. Too many times the offloads get flopped out the back putting the player receiving it under pressure to pick up a loose ball while defence is bearing down on them. It's a recipe for disaster.

Mind you, our halves have been incredibly guilty of throwing passes to players under pressure too. Look at Lockyer's pass to Yow Yeh that led to Steve Michaels' try against the Titans.

My old coach used to drum into us that you only pass to a player who is in a better position than you. Therefore, flopping it out the back in the middle of a congested ruck is not on and as Coxy says just puts unnecessary pressure on which leads to errors. I like Tronc's passing game, but he needs to be more selective and go for quality over quantity. Sometimes just taking it up hard and bending the line is all that we need from our prop.
 
lynx000 said:
Coxy said:
Offloading is the same as any pass. You only do it if the receiver is in a position to receive it. Too many times the offloads get flopped out the back putting the player receiving it under pressure to pick up a loose ball while defence is bearing down on them. It's a recipe for disaster.

Mind you, our halves have been incredibly guilty of throwing passes to players under pressure too. Look at Lockyer's pass to Yow Yeh that led to Steve Michaels' try against the Titans.

My old coach used to drum into us that you only pass to a player who is in a better position than you. Therefore, flopping it out the back in the middle of a congested ruck is not on and as Coxy says just puts unnecessary pressure on which leads to errors. I like Tronc's passing game, but he needs to be more selective and go for quality over quantity. Sometimes just taking it up hard and bending the line is all that we need from our prop.

Exactly. It's not rocket surgery. First 2-3 rucks, power into the defence, try and get a quick play the ball, so the defence is on the back foot. Then look to go to your back rowers on the fringe who can look to offload to a quicker guy in support...

Flashy offloads by props in the middle of the ruck are a low percentage play.
 
I disagree, i dont think all of his offloads are to players in bad positions. Having said that, alot of the offloads that go to ground are because our support play is pathetic. Any other team would have players following tronc because they know he is capable of an offload. It's as much the support players fault as it is the offloader. An offloader can be made to look poor by lack of support.
 
QUEENSLANDER said:
I disagree, i dont think all of his offloads are to players in bad positions. Having said that, alot of the offloads that go to ground are because our support play is pathetic. Any other team would have players following tronc because they know he is capable of an offload. It's as much the support players fault as it is the offloader. An offloader can be made to look poor by lack of support.

Agree, and not saying every offload from Tronc is crap. But too many are forced and flopped out the back. That's all.

And yes, our support play is ordinary because we're just not used to offloads. Too often as well we get an offload away and whoever catches it just runs straight into the defence [eusa_doh Should be looking to pass wide at that point, especially if the defence has started retreating thinking the tackle is complete and waiting for the next ruck.
 
Coxy said:
Exactly. It's not rocket surgery. First 2-3 rucks, power into the defence, try and get a quick play the ball, so the defence is on the back foot. Then look to go to your back rowers on the fringe who can look to offload to a quicker guy in support...

Flashy offloads by props in the middle of the ruck are a low percentage play.
How often do you see that kind of play lead up to a try, because the normal structure is suddenly gone, and the ball becomes a hot potato...?
When you have that many players with an offload ability, you should be prepared to take advantage of it. A good offload in the ruck will more often than not create opportunities in the fringes where the opponent's numbers will be thin. Our support play needs improving!

Still, there are plenty of times where an offload is not on. It's a question of finding a good balance and sound decision making.
 
Gillet is far more guilty than tronc of making bad offloads too, but i love it. Offloads are what create opportunities and i think the broncos should be encouraging it more than hindering it!
 
and to reply to those earlier who said hannant bends the line.. what good is bending the line if you never offload? bending the line is only good if u do so, then get an offloads to a support player who takes advantage of the fact u bent the line! yes, sometimes bending the line puts the team on the backfoot and u can get a roll on, but most teams can get on side easily so its not that great of an advantage
 
QUEENSLANDER said:
and to reply to those earlier who said hannant bends the line.. what good is bending the line if you never offload? bending the line is only good if u do so, then get an offloads to a support player who takes advantage of the fact u bent the line! yes, sometimes bending the line puts the team on the backfoot and u can get a roll on, but most teams can get on side easily so its not that great of an advantage

Wrong. Bending the line is good if you can also get a good quick play the ball. It's called momentum :P

Tronc probably needs to offload in every tackle because he is slower than hell at getting to his feet.
 
The first hit up of the set bending the line is often the difference between a cumulative 60 or 30m gain. Getting over the advantage line is EVERYTHING in the first 2 tackles.
 
QUEENSLANDER said:
Gillet is far more guilty than tronc of making bad offloads too, but i love it. Offloads are what create opportunities and i think the broncos should be encouraging it more than hindering it!
+1
 
broncospwn said:
QUEENSLANDER said:
Gillet is far more guilty than tronc of making bad offloads too, but i love it. Offloads are what create opportunities and i think the broncos should be encouraging it more than hindering it!
+1

I don't mind Gillett pushing offloads too much either. He's hunting out wide trying to get a ball away to a centre or winger. That's his job, and it's usually within 10-20m of the try line.

If he was doing it in his own half, I'd be shitty. And Tronc is guilty of forcing offloads in that position.
 
Coxy said:
QUEENSLANDER said:
and to reply to those earlier who said hannant bends the line.. what good is bending the line if you never offload? bending the line is only good if u do so, then get an offloads to a support player who takes advantage of the fact u bent the line! yes, sometimes bending the line puts the team on the backfoot and u can get a roll on, but most teams can get on side easily so its not that great of an advantage

Wrong. Bending the line is good if you can also get a good quick play the ball. It's called momentum :P

Tronc probably needs to offload in every tackle because he is slower than hell at getting to his feet.

But as you said, its only good if you can get a good play the ball. hannant doesnt do that imo. ive never rated him, hes like a poor man's webcke.
 
In fairness, Webcke was one of a kind. The prop equivalent of a Lamborghini. Any other prop is merely a substitute and thus a poor man's Webcke :P
 
This will be our toughest game so far. This will give us a good indication of where we are at.
Can't wait till game time! :)
 
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