PRE-GAME Round 5 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos

[Sproj]

I disagree. It shows a coach who is desperately trying to find answers and is willing to try things to do it. Oates to the back row needs to happen. He has been wasted / underperforming on the wing now for a longtime, he is a regressing weapon. The two second rowers last week tried hard but both are not ready to start, Oates has always wanted the shot, he doesn’t take it now, it’s over for him I fear.

Siebs is clearly trying to stop the rot but the glaring problem is still and long has been, why can’t be drop Darius? Who is enforcing that and why is Siebs notable to do what needs to be done?

 

[Mister Wright]

Ennis last night was saying something similar, that he really thinks Seibs is totally lost and doesn’t know what to do and has already conceded defeat in his tenure.

Don’t know what people think of ennis, I don’t mind him and was spewing he left in 2008, but what he said made sense and the way he was saying it last night would make an bronco fan worry

The same Ennis that was bagging Siebold for not making changes when we had a poor start to last season?

 

[Dexter]

I disagree. It shows a coach who is desperately trying to find answers and is willing to try things to do it. Oates to the back row needs to happen. He has been wasted / underperforming on the wing now for a longtime, he is a regressing weapon. The two second rowers last week tried hard but both are not ready to start, Oates has always wanted the shot, he doesn’t take it now, it’s over for him I fear.

Siebs is clearly trying to stop the rot but the glaring problem is still and long has been, why can’t be drop Darius? Who is enforcing that and why is Siebs notable to do what needs to be done?

Oates can't read the attack on the wing how is he going to read all the second man plays Manly run his way.
Defence is our biggest issue and now we have a novice going into probably the hardest defensive position on the field.
Then there is his fitness.
This is reactionary selection. Seibs has to shut out the white noise.
How do you get players to buy in when you shit the bed so easily.

 

[Painin the Haas]

The same Ennis that was bagging Siebold for not making changes when we had a poor start to last season?

Ended up happening though didn’t it

 

[Mister Wright]

Ended up happening though didn’t it

Yes. But, I was making the point on the contradiction...

 

[winslow_wong]

Hooper said tonight on the big league wrap that he’s heard milf will be benched and dearden starts

Seibold has no idea what to do it seems. It’s getting out of control

 

[winslow_wong]

Maybe Seibold wants to send Milf back to reserves to rebuild confidence in his running game and forget about game management, not a bad tactic, except there is no q cup so instead he’s having Croft and Dearden in the halves and bringing Milf on when the opposition is tired and telling him to do whatever he feels like. I think Seibold is desperately trying to unlock Milfs dormant running game. I think he hoped last years move to fullback would do it.

Question is, how does Milford respond to being benched.. takes it as a challenge or throw a massive million dollar hissy fit?

 

[Allo]

Seibold has no idea what to do it seems. It’s getting out of control

Hooper hears a lot of things. Let’s not lose our minds until it comes from the coach or TLT

 

[broncos4life]

Ennis last night was saying something similar, that he really thinks Seibs is totally lost and doesn’t know what to do and has already conceded defeat in his tenure.

Don’t know what people think of ennis, I don’t mind him and was spewing he left in 2008, but what he said made sense and the way he was saying it last night would make an bronco fan worry

I think Ennis is a good bloke but he is trying everything to hold onto his media career and he has found that what works for him is to always take the negative and always have the opposite opinion. As others have said he was claiming that Seibold was wrong last year because he wouldn't make changes like this.

At the end of the day Seibold and the Broncos are doomed if they do doomed if they don't. They decided to stick with the young guys so that come a year or two down the track they should have a winning team for a long time rather than just making up the numbers like we have for god knows how long. The media can ignore facts and the salary cap all they want but the facts are.

• This is an incredibly young team that has been made worse by multiple injuries/suspensions. The media can say that is just an excuse but it is also a fact.
• Due to the fact that their is a salary cap and we adhere to it they had to make a choice as to whether they keep all these great young players or let some move on to keep the 'experienced' players. The media will give them shit to say that they should have kept guys like McGuire etc. but when we lost the Haas', Fifita's and Stagg's etc. they would equally bag them by saying how ridiculous it was to let them go and keep old guys like McGuire.
• All of the above has been made worse by the ridiculous contracts that were handed out to spuds like Boyd. I am not getting into who's fault that is but it is also a fact that cannot be ignored.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

Does this club have any leadership at all? We have not used the captains challenge for all 4 games.

To utilise a captains challenge requires a player to actually talk and ask for it, something our entire playing group is incapable of.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

Boyd needs to be put on gardening leave. I am not sure he could tackle the weeds at this point.

Good. He can go on gardening leave and eat grass with his Vegan wife. Maybe eating a fucking bleeding steak might fire the useless **** up to actually get some physicality back.

His career trajectory has gone the same way as Peter ‘Bananas’ Siddle. But Siddle at least showed more heart

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

I don't know why anyone would pay attention to any of the media commentators that are giving their two cents on the Broncos. Just think about how there are 16 clubs in the NRL and how these experts are expected to giving strong opinions on every single one of them regardless of how little they actually give a shit about them.

In addition to this, there is absolutely no disincentive for giving an opinion that turns out to be completely wrong. Morons like Tallis can make statements like "the Broncos had a full strength team on the weekend" and no one bats an eye lid because no one in the media gives a shit.

 

[Kyall]

Fitness seems the biggest problem atm if we work on our fitness and defence placement the points will come off the back of it.

 

[Finbar]

His career trajectory has gone the same way as Peter ‘Bananas’ Siddle. But Siddle at least showed more heart

Boyd gave up on the vegan diet quicker than he gives up on the play out on the field. His downwards trajectory started long before his short-lived vegan experiment.

 

[Bongo]

Good. He can go on gardening leave and eat grass with his Vegan wife. Maybe eating a fucking bleeding steak might fire the useless **** up to actually get some physicality back.

His career trajectory has gone the same way as Peter ‘Bananas’ Siddle. But Siddle at least showed more heart

Siddle is still going well. He might have dropped a bit of pace but that may just be age. He still puts in and bowled to a test standard when he was picked. Siddle is the worker bowler that gives the other other guys a rest. He is not a strike bowler. In my view he has always done his job and should be proud of his career.

 

[heartly87]

The last two weeks have been crap. We are still 2-2, there are 4 other teams in the same W-L record and 6 teams with 3 losses at least. The media are doing their best to hammer our boys. I was not happy and I'm still not happy with our game last Thursday but we need to get behind our team, as everything is not all that bad. The ship can be steadied and put back on course.

We have troops to return and troops that need to improve or ship out.

Milf if on the pine this week needs to wake up to the fact that he is a very gifted individual. A gifted individual who also needs to put the effort in. I feel he is off the pace from pre covid. May have let himself slip in iso. His fitness is suspect. Get it together mate.

Oates time on the wing is over I believe, he has lost that something that made him special. There are now a lot more bigger/equal size wingers to him and all of them also out pace him. I think they can harden him into a decent second row for now but the end goal for me should be turning him into a prop, put another 10 kg on that frame and you could have a white Petro in regards to body type. In fact Petro made a very similar transition.

Boyd.... there is no saving him.

 

[Allo]

Brent Read did a fair job defending us on the weekend on 9. Stuck it to that **** Riccio from the Telegraph.

One thing I enjoy that gets bandied around is that ‘Broncos have pick of the juniors from a whole state’. That comment just screams of ignorance when you consider that half our team are dirty Blues, and that we have the Cows and Melbourne in particular, along with the rest of the comp trying to get the same kids. Not saying we haven’t made some major ****-ups in recruitment, but we’re not the first, second or only choice for players anymore.

Qlders being good are no secret post-Lockyer/Thurston/GI/Slater/Cronk/Smith etc, (not that it ever really was when you go back through the rest of the names) but everyone will now take a kid from QLD just as soon as one from NSW.

Also when you look at internal movement of the population in general, it’s a lot different than it was 20 years ago. There’s at least a 50% split of Broncos fans to fans of other teams amongst people I work with, and that’s only about 20 people, small sample sure but extrapolate it and we might be a ‘one-team-town’ on paper, but we certainly aren’t a ‘one-team-population’.

People are willing to move around which goes the same for players in that they won’t always sign for Brisbane (often for less too) to stay near home. Outside of a few, players no longer really care who they play for, so long as they’re playing first grade. Which I’m not holding against them at all.

We’ve also been on the receiving end of some very unfortunate situations. Special K and Folau going to AFL, GI back flipping, the Petero thing. We’re at fault for a lot of what happened, but they’re also players that every other club would’ve cut half the roster to make room for, and they all left and we had to try and recover. Add in things like Cronk leaving Melbourne, the Roosters were lucky Tara worked in Sydney. If she lived and worked in Brisbane, we get him and things are very different. Same goes around Wayne leaving the first time and we lose our entire forward pack to the Dogs. Jharal busting his leg is another thing that comes to mind.

The game has also changed. We got by on teams full of talented individuals, now that doesn’t work long-term, despite how much Fifita, Haas and Staggs try.

Success attracts success, and seeing as it’s been 14 years, how is anyone surprised that we haven’t been able to maintain the standard of the 90-00’s? Add in all the other things I mentioned and more, and it’s easy to see how things have turned out the way they have.

 

[Battler]

Oates at backrow smacks of desperation and confirms what we all saw at the presser. A man who doesn't know what to do.
Mild on the bench is a throw at the stumps side on from the boundary..
Seibs needs to have some belief in what he is doing and ignore the press not react to it.

They both deserve to be dropped but seibs probably feels like he can’t afford to with all our outs. They are also on a combined 1.5 mil salary (we could have signed Ponga for 1.1-1.2 and gone after some experienced vet for 300-400 if we had that lying around) and we have 3.5-4 mil not playing already.

I think the club has made the right long term call by investing in blokes like lodge, dearden, Carrigan, flegler, haas, fifi, Staggs. All of the listed players win us games. We just have too many shit older players on too much money and it throws our squad out of whack. We have like 2.3-3 mil wasted on blokes who shouldn’t be at the club (Bird, Boyd, Oates, Milford, Joffa).