Sam Thaiday Judiciary Hearing

[Coxy]

[h=2]cheat[/h] [cheet] Show IPAverb (used with object)1.to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.

2.to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.

3.to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.


verb (used without object)4.to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.

5.to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.

6.to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.

7.Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often followed by on ): Her husband knew she had been cheating allalong. He cheated on his wife.

If you willingly violate the rules, you are cheating.

So yes, any player who is deliberately breaking the rules to gain an advantage in the hope the referee misses it is cheating.

 

[Anonymous person]

guess the broncos are the biggest cheaters in the game, since we're usually one of the most penalised.


fwiw, yes i do realise that by the definition of cheating that every penalty is "cheating". i just think that calling an offside penalty "cheating" is dumb. id call them infringements or something more along those lines. cheating is a whole other level IMO.

 

[vertigo]

What is this? SemanticsHQ?

Time to move on and focus on the game...

 

[broncos4life]

But that's not what we are saying. What norrie did should have penalized, but it also was violating the rules. No one is saying that someone that holds a player on the ground for too long is cheating etc.

Just because the consequence is the same doesn't make the actions the same.

Someone that commits fraud or steals will go to jail the same as a rapist would, so by your reasoning AP everyone in jail is a rapist.

 

[Nashy]

What is this? SemanticsHQ?

Time to move on and focus on the game...

Should we lock all threads unrelated to the game. This is a discussion board, what's happening in here is discussion.



I'm not reading anything, all I'm saying, if anyone disagrees that it was an obstruction, clearly idiots.

 

[Anonymous person]

But that's not what we are saying. What norrie did should have penalized, but it also was violating the rules. No one is saying that someone that holds a player on the ground for too long is cheating etc.

they are though, see coxys post. holding someone down is violating rules, therefore cheating.

your jail/rapist thing completely misses the mark. people in here are making out like holding someone back makes you a cheater the same way as systematic rorting of the salary cap makes you a cheater. im saying thats not how i view it, because theyre completely different. one is infringeing on a rule, the other is outright blatantly breaking it to give you an unfair advantage.

 

[Bucking Beads]

It doesn't matter why Thaiday touched the ref. Bottom line is that he shouldn't have touched the ref. He has to be punished. I don't agree that the loading from a previous infringement should have been what made him miss a week. I think a fine is a more suitable punishment for this indiscretion

 

[Porthoz]

guess the broncos are the biggest cheaters in the game, since we're usually one of the most penalised.


fwiw, yes i do realise that by the definition of cheating that every penalty is "cheating". i just think that calling an offside penalty "cheating" is dumb. id call them infringements or something more along those lines. cheating is a whole other level IMO.

You're trying to make this look like any other infringement in the game, and it's not.

It's nothing less than a professional foul and deserves the same punishment as the Hodges penalty against the Dragons for deliberately holding the player down too long, which probably prevented the Dragons from scoring a try (okay, I know they couldn't score to save their lives in that game).

You want to bet that Bellyache would cull that play immediatily if it resulted in a sin bin for unsportsmanlike behaviour?
Instead, he came out saying that it was just a tiny bit longer hold than it should, which tells me exactly what the man's mentality is: He wants to win at all costs, and couldn't care less about ethics or sportsmanship, and actually reinforces my profound dislike of the man and the belief he knew about the rort (whether or not he was found guilty).

You may agree with that mentality, but I abhor it!

 

[noisetheory]

it IS a professional foul end of story.

 

[Anonymous person]

You're trying to make this look like any other infringement in the game, and it's not.

It's nothing less than a professional foul and deserves the same punishment as the Hodges penalty against the Dragons for deliberately holding the player down too long, which probably prevented the Dragons from scoring a try (okay, I know they couldn't score to save their lives in that game).

its more akin to a decoy runner as its the attacking teams player that 'took out' a defender. it didnt prevent a try, it possibly - and i stress possibly - helped his team score a try. thaiday is lazy, slater is fast, and i would bet that slater wouldve gone straight through that gap even if it was 1m smaller if thaiday hadnt been held back. it was a HUGE hole, not even thaidays rotund frame wouldve filled it. i still think it shouldve been penalised btw.

You want to bet that Bellyache would cull that play immediatily if it resulted in a sin bin for unsportsmanlike behaviour?

well i dont think its something you can or would get sin-binned for. if it doesnt come off you give away a penalty, if it does you get a try. risk/reward. he chose to risk it, and they got the reward. next time they might get penalised.

 

[Foordy]

Personally i don't have a problem with the charge itself ... its this BS loading system that is a joke. to add 20% to the charge because of a tackle that was made nearly 2 years ago is BS.

IMO, the loading system should be something like:

- if chargeable incidents are in different categories (i.e. touching ref and dangerous throw) = no loading
- if player receives between x number of suspensions and y number of suspensions = 20% loading and the loading % increases with the more suspensions a player receives.
- if a player keeps a clean record for 2 years loading system resets

 

[Kaz]

Why did Thaiday get the 50% loading.

[h=3]6a. Prior similar offences[/h]If the player has been convicted of the same or similar offence in the two-year period immediately preceding the incident, the player is liable to an increase equivalent to 50 per cent of the base penalty for each previous offence. The exception to this rule is Grade 1 offences where the player will only carry the loading for a 12-month period.

[h=3]6b. Prior non-similar offences[/h]Further, if the player has been previously convicted of an offence other than the same offence in the two-year period immediately preceding the incident, the player is liable to an increase equivalent to 20 per cent of the base penalty for each previous offence. For the offence of a Careless High Tackle Grade 1, players only carry this loading for a 12-month period.

http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/judiciary/tabid/10435/default.aspx

 

[Foordy]

he got 20% loading from a dangerous throw against Manly in 2011

 

[Old Mate]

It's a joke he got suspended.