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I dunno about Brooks, he has his moments, but he doesn't seem to have a lot of footy smarts in general. Either way, he'll never be anywhere as good everyone thought he will be when he first started playing NRL.
That is why it is really important for young halves to choose their development club wisely, not just take the money. There are very few clubs good for halves development.
 

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That is why it is really important for young halves to choose their development club wisely, not just take the money. There are very few clubs good for halves development.
Which is a bit of a concern here I think. When was the last time the Roosters nurtured a half, rather than buy one? How many promising young players have they brought and thrown on the scrap heap? Hastings and JNik spring to mind as the most recent.
 

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Which is a bit of a concern here I think. When was the last time the Roosters nurtured a half, rather than buy one? How many promising young players have they brought and thrown on the scrap heap? Hastings and JNik spring to mind as the most recent.
Pearce and I'd argue (very poorly) Keary to an extent. SOS also has come out of their system.
 

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Pearce and I'd argue (very poorly) Keary to an extent. SOS also has come out of their system.
Pearce was also a Wests Tigers product.

Before Lachlan Lam, the last half that came through their system was Connor Watson and calling him a half would be generous. Even in his SG Ball days, he was typically a utility who would find himself in any position that needed to be covered, kind of like Kodi after 2012. Similar story with Ben Jones who a lot of good judges rated as one of the best players coming through his age group. This same age group included Kieran Foran, Wade Graham, Lachlan Coote etc.

Craig Wing - Souths
Brett Finch - Canberra via Newcastle
Jamie Soward - Canberra
Josh Lewis - St George Illawarra
Braith Anasta - Canterbury via Souths
Todd Carney - Canberra
James Maloney - Warriors via NSW Cup Wilderness
Jackson Hastings - St George Illawarra
Mitch Cornish - Canberra
Ryan Matterson - Parramatta
Luke Keary - Souths via Manly/Gold Coast Local League

Mind you, I don't think there's that many quality halves running around in the competition.
 
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Keary was a parra junior and then to souths. Has only really developed at easts in his early to mid 20s (he is now 27 despite still looking 13) via being mentored by cronk.
That's right, although I'd still consider him a Souths product. He floated around the junior leagues, but it was the North Sydney Bears (Souths feeder) who thought highly enough of him to select him for their SG Ball squad. He didn't last long and ended up Manly which went in a similar direction.

I also thought he showed improvement in 2017 and was flourishing under Robinson's structures. With Tedesco and Cronk on board, he's taken his game to another level, but he was on his way.
 

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Just so we are clear though, I'm not talking about who they were juniors for, I'm talking about who bought them through into FG. Pearce should very much be attributed to the Roosters in that regard.

There are a thousand extremely talented junior halves running around (I'm exaggerating), a lot of them don't get developed into FG stars and I am not even saying that the Roosters have a great track record in that department, they don't when you consider the guys mentioned above.

But if I'm a young half, I want to be trained by one of the very best coaches around and really, that leaves only three or four options (for turning young uns into stars) - Robinson and believe it or not, Maguire and especially, surprisingly - Hasler and less surprisingly, Bellamy. Bennett isn't counted because he hasn't got long left and I cant think of many halves in particular that he has actually bought through since Lockyer.
 

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Pearce was a highly sought after halfback who the Roosters went all in on. It wasn't like they took their time with him and polished his game up, they threw him into Premier League when he was 16 and then called him up to the NRL when the Josh Lewis experiment failed. He's been a good player, but I don't think he lived up to the expectations many had of him, despite being forced on the representative scene.
 
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Pearce seems to have gone up a level after moving to Newcastle, but it could be because they pretty much built the team around him. He's probably the only half in the NRL that isn't tied down to one side of the field. He's always everywhere, and has Ponga as his left side 2nd receiver and whoever else is playing as the "5/8th" on the right. The whole split halves thing has been killing genuine halfbacks, but Pearce has been allowed to play as one.
Anyway, you don't see teams built around one player as much now - it's probably only him and Cam Smith that it applies to, but in the past it probably used to be more common. Broncos built everything around Lockyer, Cowboys/Thurston, Knights/Johns etc.
 

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Pearce and I'd argue (very poorly) Keary to an extent. SOS also has come out of their system.
Keary? Your joking? He was a Souths junior and had already won a premiership when he went there. Should we give them credit for Cronk’s development too?
 

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Keary? Your joking? He was a Souths junior and had already won a premiership when he went there. Should we give them credit for Cronk’s development too?
You could react like that or you could take the time to consider my previous points and agree or disagree.

Just to clarify further, I’m not talking about who these guys were juniors for, I’ve already said that.

I also said I’d argue very poorly about Keary but here are the reasons:

Keary was basically on the scrap heap thanks to the Crowe stupidity. He wasn’t playing well when Souths let him go and since going to the Roosters, he has actually won the GF as best player on ground (I’m not sure if he won the CC) and has gone on to play for his country and would have played for NSW if not for concussion this year.

He has well and truly been outplaying Cronk almost every week too.

Again, a poor argument but not one just being thrown out there to troll with no thought behind it.
 

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You could react like that or you could take the time to consider my previous points and agree or disagree.

Just to clarify further, I’m not talking about who these guys were juniors for, I’ve already said that.

I also said I’d argue very poorly about Keary but here are the reasons:

Keary was basically on the scrap heap thanks to the Crowe stupidity. He wasn’t playing well when Souths let him go and since going to the Roosters, he has actually won the GF as best player on ground (I’m not sure if he won the CC) and has gone on to play for his country and would have played for NSW if not for concussion this year.

He has well and truly been outplaying Cronk almost every week too.

Again, a poor argument but not one just being thrown out there to troll with no thought behind it.
I completely agree with B4L here. Keary had been hyped up since before his first grade debut, displaced John Sutton from #6 (which sounds easy to do but he had a mortgage on that jumper), and was going extremely well for Souths. He was already in talks for future Origin contention, in fact, the "Queenslander that has to play for NSW" thing was already well and truly being talked about while he was still at Souths.

The Roosters saw him as a ready-made replacement for Maloney, not someone that needed to be developed.
 

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I completely agree with B4L here. Keary had been hyped up since before his first grade debut, displaced John Sutton from #6 (which sounds easy to do but he had a mortgage on that jumper), and was going extremely well for Souths. He was already in talks for future Origin contention, in fact, the "Queenslander that has to play for NSW" thing was already well and truly being talked about while he was still at Souths.

The Roosters saw him as a ready-made replacement for Maloney, not someone that needed to be developed.
Isn’t that the Roosters M.O.?

Buy the team you need for the now, discard them when something else better comes along.
 

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You could react like that or you could take the time to consider my previous points and agree or disagree.

Just to clarify further, I’m not talking about who these guys were juniors for, I’ve already said that.

I also said I’d argue very poorly about Keary but here are the reasons:

Keary was basically on the scrap heap thanks to the Crowe stupidity. He wasn’t playing well when Souths let him go and since going to the Roosters, he has actually won the GF as best player on ground (I’m not sure if he won the CC) and has gone on to play for his country and would have played for NSW if not for concussion this year.

He has well and truly been outplaying Cronk almost every week too.

Again, a poor argument but not one just being thrown out there to troll with no thought behind it.
I didn't accuse you of trolling so I am not sure why you are even mentioning that. He wasn't thrown on the scrap heap, Crowe fucked up and there would have been multiple clubs that would have signed him if the Roosters didn't get there first with their unlimited cap. He has continued his gradual development at the Roosters like basically any decent player will, but to claim that the Roosters have 'developed' him is ludicrous.
 

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Pearce seems to have gone up a level after moving to Newcastle, but it could be because they pretty much built the team around him. He's probably the only half in the NRL that isn't tied down to one side of the field. He's always everywhere, and has Ponga as his left side 2nd receiver and whoever else is playing as the "5/8th" on the right. The whole split halves thing has been killing genuine halfbacks, but Pearce has been allowed to play as one.
Anyway, you don't see teams built around one player as much now - it's probably only him and Cam Smith that it applies to, but in the past it probably used to be more common. Broncos built everything around Lockyer, Cowboys/Thurston, Knights/Johns etc.
Pearce changed his game in 2017. After their shocking 2016, Robinson changed the structure at the Roosters and had Pearce and Keary play like a traditional 7 & 6. That's why the Roosters were maligned in the opening half of 2018 because Cooper Cronk was essentially being shoe-horned into the Pearce role without being allowed to play his natural game. They changed things up and brought in Victor Radley to help take the burden off of Cronk.

What Pearce has shown is that independant of the star-studded Roosters, he's still a quality talent in his own right. I don't think that's ever been disputed, the problem with Mitchell is that he gets the yips on the big stage and usually needs somebody else (eg. Maloney) to get it done. This purple patch of form is hardly new, he pulled off similar efforts in the back half of 2013 and 2014. It's just a matter of whether he can perform in the finals when it matters.
 

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Pearce changed his game in 2017. After their shocking 2016, Robinson changed the structure at the Roosters and had Pearce and Keary play like a traditional 7 & 6. That's why the Roosters were maligned in the opening half of 2018 because Cooper Cronk was essentially being shoe-horned into the Pearce role without being allowed to play his natural game. They changed things up and brought in Victor Radley to help take the burden off of Cronk.

What Pearce has shown is that independant of the star-studded Roosters, he's still a quality talent in his own right. I don't think that's ever been disputed, the problem with Mitchell is that he gets the yips on the big stage and usually needs somebody else (eg. Maloney) to get it done. This purple patch of form is hardly new, he pulled off similar efforts in the back half of 2013 and 2014. It's just a matter of whether he can perform in the finals when it matters.
Something tells me he'll never go missing against the Roosters, no matter how big the stage is.He's holding a grudge.
 

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Something tells me he'll never go missing against the Roosters, no matter how big the stage is.He's holding a grudge.
It didn't go so well for him in their first encounter. He did well last time, but then again he was up against Brock Lamb.

I think we can safetly say that Brock Lamb isn't holding any grudge what so ever against Newcastle.
 

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