NEWS Seibold gets last piece of the puzzle

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Turpin may be a marginally better footy player but he’s so far away from SoS’ half back play it’s not funny. SoS is the best 7 prospect we have.
If he's the best HB prospect that we have then you should expect many more years of playing around .500. He's slow, kicking game is average and his defensive reads can be below par at times. Dearden is the best prospect and he will display that next year.
 

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I'm sorry, but I think continuing to not select a genuine Halfback when you have one available really beggars belief, and if we do lose this game and/or get bungled out of the finals in Week 1 because of a lack of direction from our Halves, Seibold will really only have himself to blame and honestly nowhere to hide. I'm trying to trust him and give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's just painting himself into a hell of a corner now that only an ageing and ailing Darius Boyd can have any hope to drag him out of.

If we absolutely must be asked to accept Boyd as a makeshift 5/8, then the least you can do is provide him with a genuine Halfback to play alongside. To choose to use a makeshift 5/8 and a makeshift Halfback when there are viable alternatives available really doesn't make sense.

Just to be clear, I'm not bagging Turpin, far from it, he should be straight back into the #9 jersey where he belongs and where he's done his best work, leaving O'Sullivan at Halfback where he belongs.

The continued selection at this time of year of makeshift options in our two playmaking positions so that Boyd and MCCullough can continue to be on the team sheet will almost certainly be the final nail in the coffin of a pretty shabby season all round.
 
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Before we all get the pitchforks out for Seibold (even though I do agree its a seemingly bone headed decision) its worth noting that this is almost certainly what Wayne Bennett would have done in the same situation.

Wayne absolutely loved playing guys out of position in our spine and persisting with it. You only have to think back to the Moose and Thaiday at Dummy Half experiments recently, and then further back to other notable classics like David Stagg at 5/8 and then further back there was Tonie Carroll at Halfback to name just a few.
 

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I guess I just place a higher importance on setting up tries than you do.
And Less importance on having an actual Halfback in this team that can kick the ball properly without relying on a Fullback.

We haven't seen the best of Dearden, not even close.
 
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And Less importance on having an actual Halfback in this team that can kick the ball properly without relying on a Fullback.

We haven't seen the best of Dearden, not even close.
We haven't seen a good kicking game from Dearden in first grade either. If you're one of the few who watch the lower grades and you're comparing their kicking games at that level, then fair enough. But if you're solely measuring performance in first grade, Dearden hasn't really shown much.
 

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We haven't seen a good kicking game from Dearden in first grade either. If you're one of the few who watch the lower grades and you're comparing their kicking games at that level, then fair enough. But if you're solely measuring performance in first grade, Dearden hasn't really shown much.
Can I ask what were you expecting from him? He looks pretty good to me considering his age and small opportunity he has had so far. Sos is 22 I believe. Far more upside to Dearden.
 

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We haven't seen a good kicking game from Dearden in first grade either. If you're one of the few who watch the lower grades and you're comparing their kicking games at that level, then fair enough. But if you're solely measuring performance in first grade, Dearden hasn't really shown much.
He hasn't played much either, but SoS kicking is no where near first grade standard. He has no power in his kicks whatsoever, he might make sense as a 6 but he isn't a leading kicker what so ever.
 
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Can I ask what were you expecting from him? He looks pretty good to me considering his age and small opportunity he has had so far. Sos is 22 I believe. Far more upside to Dearden.
SoS is 21 but that’s not really relevant to who is better right now. If you put the games side by side of SoS and Dearden this year it’s a landslide to Sean.

He’s played an extra game but has had far more output in attack and we know he can make tackles because Bennett sent the entire Souths team at him all game.
 
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Before we all get the pitchforks out for Seibold (even though I do agree its a seemingly bone headed decision) its worth noting that this is almost certainly what Wayne Bennett would have done in the same situation.

Wayne absolutely loved playing guys out of position in our spine and persisting with it. You only have to think back to the Moose and Thaiday at Dummy Half experiments recently, and then further back to other notable classics like David Stagg at 5/8 and then further back there was Tonie Carroll at Halfback to name just a few.
That's when there was injuries and talent around those options. We got boyd and macca in our spine and then you throw in turpin who is no good at 7 , then you completely drop the one half that has been producing try ass. and line break ass. . Not to mention defensively alot better, it's mind boggling.
 

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Can I ask what were you expecting from him? He looks pretty good to me considering his age and small opportunity he has had so far. Sos is 22 I believe. Far more upside to Dearden.
I have low expectations of an 18 year old half back thrown into first grade, but I think we should be honest about what he has demonstrated so far. You could make a case that he organised the forwards or other such immeasurables (good on you if you can see this from your TV screen, because I honestly cannot see a difference), but in terms of kicking and laying on line breaks and tries, he is yet to show us anything.

Again, I'm not writing him off because he hasn't lit the world on fire in a handful of first grade games. I'm just suggesting caution before crowing that we've finally found a real halfback in the young lad.
 

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I have low expectations of an 18 year old half back thrown into first grade, but I think we should be honest about what he has demonstrated so far. You could make a case that he organised the forwards or other such immeasurables (good on you if you can see this from your TV screen, because I honestly cannot see a difference), but in terms of kicking and laying on line breaks and tries, he is yet to show us anything.

Again, I'm not writing him off because he hasn't lit the world on fire in a handful of first grade games. I'm just suggesting caution before crowing that we've finally found a real halfback in the young lad.
Mate he was growing into the role pretty well I thought. His last full game before injury Gillett should have been over untouched but he dropped it cold.
 

Slippin Jimmy

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Mate he was growing into the role pretty well I thought. His last full game before injury Gillett should have been over untouched but he dropped it cold.
Yeah I know he has an almost try assist to his name. It gets brought up quite a bit.

My point isn't to run the guy down for no reason. I just think SOS has shown a lot more promise in a similar amount of game time.
 

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Yeah I know he has an almost try assist to his name. It gets brought up quite a bit.

My point isn't to run the guy down for no reason. I just think SOS has shown a lot more promise in a similar amount of game time.
I think part of that is he plays for himself a little more, whereas Dearden tried to just be a cog. Nevertheless, he is developed alot more than Dearden and so he should be, given their ages. He has already been discarded by the Roosters, I'd hate to have Dearden leave and become a star elsewhere because we played a journeyman second stringer instead of him.
 
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