-NEWS- Selection dilemma: Anthony Seibold facing crucial Broncos call

Thelmus

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Seibold inherited a shit squad, lets be honest. Judge him in 12-18 months time, when he can get his own squad together. If Wayne couldnt win a title with Boyd at 1 and Macca at 9 then how can Seibold?

Though I do agree that Seibold needs to make some harsh calls and drop a few players.
Let's look at that shit squad shall we? We had in the front 3, McGuire, lodge, and offs. Theres 2 origin and a likely origin there. Our second row was gillet and glen, both internationals, our hooker has played origin. Our halves (our weakness) we're Milford (origin) and knik
(international). We had Boyd (international). Oates and Kahu (internationals) and Roberts and bird (origin). That's not to mention some of hottest young talent in the NRL to back them up.
Some of those players have continued to hold two honours, other merely first grade spots. None of them have retired or been unable to play regularly.
My point is there was a strong squad and even letting go who we have continues to be a strong squad. What is missing is the cohesion to make it gel and injuries. One is bad luck, the other a combination of bad form and poor tactics.
One thing is certain blaming the past coach rings pretty hollow, especially when that squad was placed higher last season and was tipped to be higher this one.
Siebold may not have been able to achieve that success expected, changing the squad the way he has, in the hopes of long term success. And his approach may bear fruit but our current position is squarely on his shoulders, and is the sacrifice we as fans are expected to suffer with patience until his long term success starts coming.
His future is dependent on it showing signs of happening sooner rather than later.
 

Allo

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The squad wasn’t (and isn’t) shit. But anyone who’s looking at our matches with even the slightest attention could point out our deficiencies and problems coming into another season, regardless of the coach.

Now don’t get me wrong, the coach, or should I say coaching style, has been an issue for years, along with the lack of options in certain positions, with some other players phoning it in a bit and the apparent squad issues with guys like McGuire/a bit of a split in the squad imo but overall the team wasn’t shit.

But it was indicative of Wayne’s second stint here since 2016: good enough to be mostly better than 8-10 teams, but not good enough to legitimately challenge because of those issues.

So coming into this season, I have no idea why anyone thought we’d be a top 4 certainty. Couple what I said above with a having pretty raw coach, needing to alter the squad/attitudes/everything, however small, to his way of coaching along with some pretty bad form regressions, injuries that came after moving on players and relying on subpar replacements and it was never going to be easy.

TL;DR the squad wasn’t shit, but also wasn’t going to do anything better than it had for the previous 3 seasons
 

Huge

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A premiership force we are not, I would actually prefer us to be no chance of making the 8 so we could focus on fielding a team for a few games that is likely to take the park in round 1, 2020 instead of persisting with several players out of position and carrying dead wood.

I was willing to think that Siebs could be given at least 12 months to show his quality, but as the season has dragged on, my opinion of him just continues to drown. He needs to make some HARSH calls and a few games out from the end of the year is the best time to do it. Drop macca, darbs and even gillette (he's getting picked on reputation alone at this point when he isnt injured), throw in what we have, even if its new blood and just give them some time to learn. Give the c to Glenn. It literally cannot be any worse than the shit show this year has been.
We'll probably have the last two games of the season for testing purposes. I hope we don't of course because unlike yourself I want at least one more week of hope!! I see your point though and testing out new combinations would be good. If we can't qualify I'd love to see McCullough and Boyd, Oates, forget that I , I say rest all the old squad. Glenn, Gillett, Milf etc. Give them all an early mark and run with some new blood for a couple of meaningless games. Tagatese to 5/8, Fensom into half..nah, kidding.
 

Huge

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I'm going to catch flak for suggesting Isaako as a 5/8 but there it is. Big enough, nice pass (one recently I saw was as precise as is possible) and I have no doubt he could kick any of the shapes possible. Before telling me why it can't work I'd be countering with 'he'd have to offer more than DB in the same position'. I'd reckon he'd give it a real crack.
 

LGH

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I don't know how much you understand corporate governance, but as a director, it would be inappropriate for Lockyer to come out and do what you are saying in a public article, hence him doing it the way he is. As both a director of the club, and a media personality he has to tread a fine line in fulfilling both roles. We simply do not know what is being said to Boyd in private (if anything)?
Then he shouldn’t do both. Either the media or the board, and either way, be honest about what’s best for the club.
 

winslow_wong

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I'm going to catch flak for suggesting Isaako as a 5/8 but there it is. Big enough, nice pass (one recently I saw was as precise as is possible) and I have no doubt he could kick any of the shapes possible. Before telling me why it can't work I'd be countering with 'he'd have to offer more than DB in the same position'. I'd reckon he'd give it a real crack.
Sounds good in theory but he just reminds too much of josh Hoffman playing 5/8th. Yes he probably has all the physical attributes but question is, is he smart enough to make the plays?
 

McHunt

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I'm going to catch flak for suggesting Isaako as a 5/8 but there it is. Big enough, nice pass (one recently I saw was as precise as is possible) and I have no doubt he could kick any of the shapes possible. Before telling me why it can't work I'd be countering with 'he'd have to offer more than DB in the same position'. I'd reckon he'd give it a real crack.
 

kooly87

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It honestly doesn't have to be complicated:

1. Milford
2. Oates
3. Staggs
4. Boyd
5. Isaako
6. Turpin
7. O'Sullivan
8. Lodge
9. AM9
10. Haas
11. Glenn
12. Gillett
13. TPJ

14. Seggy
15. Ofahengaue
16. Fifita
17. Flegler

My reluctance with Dearden is around his fitness having already had a close call with re-injury last week. If there is a genuine belief that he's overcome the problem then I could be persuaded to run him and O'Sullivan in the Halves with Turpin replacing AM9 who would likely go back to the bench unless they were happy to retain Segeyaro.

This is a side we could at least be competitive with this season and giving Milf, Dearden, SOS and Turpin time to gel over an offseason it's a 17 we could definitely compete with going into Round 1 next season.
 
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Maddy1to9

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Anyone watching how we been going this season would out rightly say that we've issues with our half's. If we sort that out + adjust our mentality, attitude and work ethic, we should be a real deal. Until now, the half's pairing isn't acceptable and when we've 2 of them in SOS & Dearden coming back from injuries and performing in Q-cup, what's stopping Seibold? It's plain and simple that he has to pull the pug and bring in both of them into starting 13. They surely WILL NOT perform any worse than how we'been going at 6 & 7. That's the easiest decision he has to make and stamp his authority over the bureaucracy.

As for the board safe guarding Boyd & Maccas asses, please take a hard look at yourself in the mirror and do the absolute right thing in stopping that. Please don't interfere with a coaches game plan. If you want to make decisions and team compositions for him, why have you brought him up here? Leave the team selections to him and stay out of it.

#BringinSOS&Dearden.
 
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Stu_9

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I am kind of expecting SoS will come back into the halves over Dearden, considering he got through the weekends match, and also the fact that Dearden re-injured himself on his come back q cup match. I'd be surprised if they chuck him straight back into the 17. I would assume he will be named on an extended bench.
Ideally Boyd would move to the centers and take Shiba's spot..
Herbie is prob due for another crack though, so it will be interesting.
It would be pretty harsh on Turps to get pushed back onto the bench after the efforts he has put in since being in the starting squad + playing out of position.
Darius just needs to go, things would be 1000000000 easier if he could just step aside - but it aint gonna happen, unfortunately.
Oh, and Macca also..
 

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Isn’t this why Siebs was bought in though? To make the hard decisions that he hasn’t really cemented so far? It is frustrating to see him seem to go down the right track at some points and then backpedal later.
 

kooly87

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If the fallout from all this results in an outcome whereby they bench Turpin then honestly I would expect no less than torches and pitchforks out the front of Red Hill this week.
- Merged

I just wanna know how much truth there is to the rumour that the board rissoled the idea of dropping Boyd. If it has any truth to it, Seibold has his hands tied.
I'm not generally into conspiracy theories but the apparent willingness to drop and offload others contrasted against his seeming reluctance to drop Boyd in the face of such glaring and ever increasing evidence certainly does lend weight to the theory.
 
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Galah

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I would bring sos in over dearden let the young bloke get 100% healthy. Turps and SOS for the halves and push Darius out to centre for his last chance. It would become blatantly obvious if they put turps on the bench that management is interfering.
 

kooly87

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If there is genuinely no chance they're dropping Boyd before the end of the season then we should make peace with that and simply focus on the best outcome instead which I reckon is playing him at Centre where would probably cause the least harm to our chances.

He's capable of running a decent line, he still has a decent passing game and with competent guys around him he should be able to manage the defensive stuff without making too many mistakes.

We then get a chance to play two genuine Halves alongside Milford as a ball playing Fullback and who knows, that might just be enough to get us being regularly competitive again.
 

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So the reward turpin gets for being one of our best players is back to the bench? Which also means segeyaro gets dropped as well. This is all to make way for Macca.
Maccas playing good at the moment and Turpin definitely isn't a halfback. He will be great off the bench. This makes more sense from a team perspective not an individual one.
 

Renegade

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Macca has been ok the last few weeks. Still not what we need long term but in the interim, I don't see the need for dropping him. Funny how he tends to improve when he has some viable competition though.
 

abashii

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I just wanna know how much truth there is to the rumour that the board rissoled the idea of dropping Boyd. If it has any truth to it, Seibold has his hands tied.
Same here. I'm not sure where it came from, was there any official source or even newspaper garbage about it or did it start as someone speculating?
 

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