Should the Broncos make a play for Ponga

Foordy

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People were saying the same thing when the Knights signed him for 700k a season after a few NRL games...

Everyone agrees it was a good move.
while 700k was a risk ... and has worked out well for the Knights ....

1.5 million is another thing entirely ... it doesn't just put him up in elite company ... it puts him up with the best of the best ... quite likely the biggest contract ever offered to a rugby league player in this country
 

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while 700k was a risk ... and has worked out well for the Knights ....

1.5 million is another thing entirely ... it doesn't just put him up in elite company ... it puts him up with the best of the best ... quite likely the biggest contract ever offered to a rugby league player in this country
Put it into perspective. Would you rather Darius Boyd and Jack Bird or Kalyn Ponga + 200/300k?

Personally I'd take Ponga and the cash any day
 

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It’s also making Ponga come across as a greedy flog now especially as they are asking for this upgrade 2 years into a 4 year deal when his team is playing piss poorly and whilst Pearce has had a better overall season.
Just to clarify what I'm reading, you believe that Mitchell Pearce has had a better season than Kalyn Ponga, is that correct?
 

john1420

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You said it's easy to get 2 players valued at $600K that can comfortably outproduce Ponga, I provided you a list of nearly 20 players paid anywhere between $600K - $1.2M that are all viewed as negative assets and below average for their position.

My point is, you're wrong.
Yeah, some players are overpaid, and it's definitely something to be careful of

By the way I didn't say it would be easy, just that I think you're better off with 2 guys in the 700k range than 1 at double the price
 

john1420

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Christ, we can just add him to the ever growing list.

I don't think I'm too far wrong in saying we haven't successfully identified and progressed a genuine star talent from our own backyard and had them go on to real success for the best part of a decade now.

Virtually every single genuinely great Queensland/Brisbane talent for the last ten years has come up through or gone on to succeed at clubs besides the Broncos.
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Thank Christ you're not in charge of the books if that's honestly how you value Ponga.

When the Roosters signed Tedesco he'd never won anything either. He'd played in a losing Origin series and that was it. How foolish you'd look now going by your own logic.
Well i think you'd look foolish signing anyone on 16% of the cap unless that person was the game breaking calibre of a Cameron Smith

Ponga may become that and he may not

It's a hell of a risk
 

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Ponga can probably get 500k-1mil in Brisbane just from TPAs. That should be something for his management to consider; there's more money in Brisbane than Newcastle, especially for the QLD FB and one of the faces of RL.
 
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Purple Pills

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Just to clarify what I'm reading, you believe that Mitchell Pearce has had a better season than Kalyn Ponga, is that correct?
I don’t know about you but the season overall, you could argue Pearce has had a slightly more influential role in the Knights season then Ponga. At the very worst it is neck and neck.

I watched a lot of the Knights games during their hot streak and it was no coincidence Pearce got 6 straight MOTM awards. He was running the show and Ponga jumped on the back of it. Pearce would also be pushing the Dally M Leaderboard over Ponga which would be a fair barometer to how influential he has been in games. Do not forget Ponga had a very slow start to the year when he was at 6 and he has missed more games this year than Pearce. If Ponga was on $1.5M in the knights cap for this season, you would say they are not getting that value.

Just so we are clear I rate Ponga and would fucking love him at Brisbane. But he is not worth 16% of a salary cap. He is probably a million dollar player value wise and you would try supplement that with TPA’s not to blow your cap management. If he became a player where he could single handedly carry an underperforming team over the line consistently on his own back, then the $1.5M discussion has more merit. But Pearce has had a very big role in Ponga’s game this year.

The only player even remotely worth close to 16% of your cap is Cameron Smith and that is because of:

- His big game experience
- How consistent and influential he is in each game
- Never has an off game
- Touches the ball more times than anyone on the field
- His all round game

Could you imagine paying $1.5M for a fullback who may touch the ball like 20-30 times a game tops? You would have to revolve your game around getting him as much ball as possible to even justify the value and then your game plan would become predictable. Ponga is at his best when he can chime in and roam as he pleases.
 

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If someone is so hungry and greedy to chase 1.2+m per season, their mind isnt completely on rugby league nor are their interests with the benefit of the team they are going to. Let him go chase that money in union or Europe.
 

Mr Fourex

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I think we should make play for Ash Taylor as long as the money is right.
he needs a fresh start and would need to earn a spot.
Maybe this.......?

He certainly looked the goods in the lower grades for Brisbane before he went to the Titans. He really hasn't kicked on there at all. The Titans sure have their fill of problems right now. The time is right for Ash to come back.....
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The only player even remotely worth close to 16% of your cap is Cameron Smith and that is because of:

- His big game experience
- How consistent and influential he is in each game
- Never has an off game
- Touches the ball more times than anyone on the field
- His all round game
Also add his ability to remain relatively injury free. Ponga has probably missed more NRL games because of injury already in his short time than Smith has in his entire career.
 
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ostin86

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Maybe this.......?

He certainly looked the goods in the lower grades for Brisbane before he went to the Titans. He really hasn't kicked on there at all. The Titans sure have their fill of problems right now. The time is right for Ash to come back.....
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Also add his ability to remain relatively injury free. Ponga has probably missed more NRL games because of injury already in his short time than Smith has in his entire career.
For the right price I would definitely be interested in having another look at Taylor.
 

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it apparently goes up to 9.8million from 9.6 and the minimum wage goes up from 105k to 110k
mind you that is just a quick google search don't take it as gospel.
 

abashii

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It all seems a bit mercenary. He was with us while it meant a free ride through school, then fucked off to the Cowboys as soon as he was done. Then after a couple of years up north went down to Newcastle because they were prepared to pay big dollars and a long contract. Now he's turned out to be decent value his management are asking for his pay to be doubled, halfway through a contract. Doesn't seem like the actions you'd expect from the type of person you'd want at the Broncos. As soon as he got a slightly better offer he'd be off somewhere else again.

Plus he's had a shite game tonight. Not worth the biggest contract in NRL history.
 

Tom

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It all seems a bit mercenary. He was with us while it meant a free ride through school, then fucked off to the Cowboys as soon as he was done. Then after a couple of years up north went down to Newcastle because they were prepared to pay big dollars and a long contract. Now he's turned out to be decent value his management are asking for his pay to be doubled, halfway through a contract. Doesn't seem like the actions you'd expect from the type of person you'd want at the Broncos. As soon as he got a slightly better offer he'd be off somewhere else again.

Plus he's had a shite game tonight. Not worth the biggest contract in NRL history.
Agree. But I'd still have him.
 

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Ponga not playing like someone that's worth 1.5 mil.

The Knights have needed their stars to step up. Ponga does not. This is one of his problems. The inconsistency.

No one should pay him $1.5 million until he fixes that.
 

ostin86

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Ponga not playing like someone that's worth 1.5 mil.

The Knights have needed their stars to step up. Ponga does not. This is one of his problems. The inconsistency.

No one should pay him $1.5 million until he fixes that.
It makes me wonder if the massive contracts that get thrown at these young blokes, (based mainly on potential) are actually detrimental to their career development 🤔
 

Purple Pills

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It makes me wonder if the massive contracts that get thrown at these young blokes, (based mainly on potential) are actually detrimental to their career development
Absolutely. The younger generation grow up fucking entitled and have everyone wipe their ass for them so don’t react well when things go against them. The older generation who slugged it out for peanuts deserve to be salty about the shit that goes on these days.

The worst part is when players come off contract then coincidentally hit a purple patch of form to blow out their market value, sign a mega million dollar deal and then proceed to just turn up when they feel like once they’ve secured their pay check.
 

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I don’t know about you but the season overall, you could argue Pearce has had a slightly more influential role in the Knights season then Ponga. At the very worst it is neck and neck.

I watched a lot of the Knights games during their hot streak and it was no coincidence Pearce got 6 straight MOTM awards. He was running the show and Ponga jumped on the back of it. Pearce would also be pushing the Dally M Leaderboard over Ponga which would be a fair barometer to how influential he has been in games. Do not forget Ponga had a very slow start to the year when he was at 6 and he has missed more games this year than Pearce. If Ponga was on $1.5M in the knights cap for this season, you would say they are not getting that value.

Just so we are clear I rate Ponga and would fucking love him at Brisbane. But he is not worth 16% of a salary cap. He is probably a million dollar player value wise and you would try supplement that with TPA’s not to blow your cap management. If he became a player where he could single handedly carry an underperforming team over the line consistently on his own back, then the $1.5M discussion has more merit. But Pearce has had a very big role in Ponga’s game this year.

The only player even remotely worth close to 16% of your cap is Cameron Smith and that is because of:

- His big game experience
- How consistent and influential he is in each game
- Never has an off game
- Touches the ball more times than anyone on the field
- His all round game

Could you imagine paying $1.5M for a fullback who may touch the ball like 20-30 times a game tops? You would have to revolve your game around getting him as much ball as possible to even justify the value and then your game plan would become predictable. Ponga is at his best when he can chime in and roam as he pleases.
might be me and my old mind but i seem to recall Pearce doing this every year for the last decade.....go on a absolute tear for 6 weeks then back to bang average the rest...

Maybe its me and my biased memories..??
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For the right price I would definitely be interested in having another look at Taylor.
Ive said for years now our number 1 halfback plays a hours drive down the road from Red Hill...

Taylor knows the place inside and out (like Hunt), is earning far too much money for the return generated (like Hunt) and plays in a key position where we are currently weakest (like Hunt)

....ummmmm....i dunno what this means...???...bring em both back..?? :moo:
 
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