The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[Broncoman]

Bellamy is an outstanding coach, regardless of the illegal squads he had at his disposal. The problem is that from 2006-2009, the Storm teams became the dominant forces of the NRL because they revolutionised the type of defence which strangled the life out of teams, leaving them so tired that Melbourne would run in three tries in the last 15 minutes to end the contest.

This early form of wrestling was tolerated by the NRL and was so effective that every premiership-winning team from the last 10 years bar the Dragons has used it to great effect. While the Storm may have started the wrestle, the NRL should have finished it long ago.

I'm not a Bellamy fan, but he has expertly created a style of play which flirts with illegality but is always one step ahead of the NRL in terms of what he can get away with. This is why the Storm haven't gone away since 2010, unfortunately.

Well said

Another thing about Bellamy is the mental toughness he supplies his team with. Very few teams in any sport in the world would've been able to hit back from the crisis the Storm found themselves in and win the premiership 2 years after being sent to the cellar, bottom of the Australian sporting barrel and getting making international headlines for the wrong reasons. Bellamy deserves a lot of credit for the Storm 2012 premiership.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

When does the PTB count start? Pretty sure only once the tackle is deemed complete.
The whole Storm tactic is based on slowing the whole process until the tackle is actually completed, but then they're pretty quick to get off the player to avoid penalties...

This is exactly the point. Their work is mostly done before the player hits the deck.

 

[Waynesaurus]

'I hate those Melbourne players!'

 

[1910]

How do the statisticians measure slow play the ball?

Time of contact being initiated? Or time between referee calling held/move?

From the held call to the playing of the ball- more than three seconds slow less than three seconds fast.

 

[1910]

When does the PTB count start? Pretty sure only once the tackle is deemed complete.
The whole Storm tactic is based on slowing the whole process until the tackle is actually completed, but then they're pretty quick to get off the player to avoid penalties...

True, they're very good at standing the player up.

 

[GCBRONCO]

I think his issue is rhetoric that just gets thrown out every September; they're not doing anything they haven't done all year. But last Friday was worse than ever.

Prozone email doesn't back that up at all. The Storm v Roosters game had the lowest number of slow play the balls out of four games.

Roosters and Storm both produced the same amount of slow play the balls as each other.
Sharks v Rabbits had the most SPTB.

Fair enough 1910

 

[Kimlo]

From the held call to the playing of the ball- more than three seconds slow less than three seconds fast.

I'd be far more interested in a stat that measured time of contact to release to use for reference. Time of calling held is interesting, but IMO doesn't really indicate if a team is slowing the ruck down or not.

 

[Morkel]

I thought the refs were also supposed to be calling "held" earlier too, for exactly this reason. Another thing they've gone lazy on.

 

[Dash]

Again not backed up at all by Prozone.

Only three of the 284 rucks in the Storm (141) v Roosters (143) were slow- more than three seconds. Both had 1%.

Sharks v Rabbits 8%
Broncos v Cows 2%
Dogs v Dragons 4%

Brisbane overcame 3% SPTB on behalf of the Cows defence; where is the Cows critics?

I'm not surprised at this stat. The Cowboys were lying all over us. I was slightly surprised when I get home from the game and heard all the commentators raving about how fast the game was.

 

[Dexter]

I'd be far more interested in a stat that measured time of contact to release to use for reference. Time of calling held is interesting, but IMO doesn't really indicate if a team is slowing the ruck down or not.

Wouldn't it be up to the attacking player to concede?, if he is still struggling then he is fair game. Storm are just very good at what they do although I did raise an eyebrow at the SPTB stats, I think only 1% more than 3 secs is dodgy.

 

[Kimlo]

Wouldn't it be up to the attacking player to concede?, if he is still struggling then he is fair game. Storm are just very good at what they do although I did raise an eyebrow at the SPTB stats, I think only 1% more than 3 secs is dodgy.

Fair point actually, all this proves is that stats are not very useful for Rugby League to measure something :tongue:

 

[sus]

sposed to be a cozy ol 1:1 gus v benny on ch9 footy classified 9.40 nsw viewers (qld???)

 

[Splinter]

The way WB gave the very confident we're ready at the end of the interview gave me confidence we are going all the way

 

[MaroubraBroncos]

He has this so well timed it's not funny. As steve jobs once said " You can't connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking back"
Everything just seems to be falling into place

 

[OXY-351]

I'd consider he has done a good job if we play differently than we did last year, for the better. We made the 8 last year, beat some top teams, played *very* well in many games, and should have made the top 4, so just making the 8 and going well doesn't cut it as Bennett deserving praise. We need to improve because of him, not just because we're one year older and wiser, for him to get credit.

I think a top 4 finish this year was always going to be what people were starting to expect before bennett was coming. We should've had it last year. If we don't make the top 4 or at least be right up there pushing for it and put up a win or 2 in the finals then I think its absolutely a failure.

I'm just going to leave this here.

Wayne Bennett. Still up there with the best coaches in the game according to APs criteria.

 

[GCBRONCO]

Or not, just a short clip sorry.

 

[noisetheory]

i found that before, but its only 50 seconds long. keen to see the full version

 

[GCBRONCO]

Yeah I saw it last night, I was looking for a replay for people who didn't.