The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[Anonymous person]

3 immortals to be and 14 fantastic players who keep getting poached by other teams. Look at how many of the "nuffies" Melbourne have lost over the years, continously. Other teams see high value in the melbourne nuffies like Folau, Inglis, Chambers (union), Hoffman (ESL), Johnson (Cowboys), Widdop (St Merge), Neilsen (Warriors), Lowrie (Warriors), Blair (Tigers).

Cronk was born to be a star.

14 fantastic players who keep getting poached? how can they "keep" getting poached? once theyre poached theyre gone. and once theyre gone, bellamy just brings in another guy, often who has been shopped around from club to club for years, never amounting to much, and gives them a second lease on life and gets them firing. then they get poached. rinse repeat. out of those you listed, only folau, inglis and chambers are born stars IMO.

if thats not a testament to the coach then i dont know what is. noone on here seems to rate widdop, for example, saying he's rubbish and will be wallace mkII without cronk/smith/slater, yet now hes a fantastic player because you want to make out like the melbourne team is full of superstars at all times?

 

[Broncos]

Your mistake is assuming that we have been saying that the broncos haven't been playing boring Bennett ball. We have, that's the problem. We don't have the game breakers nor the talent to win with that style, yet our out-of-his-depth numpty coach thinks we do so he persists with that style. Mullen/boyd/uate/snowden/mcmanus/cuthbertson/mckinnon are far better than 90% of our roster, and I would trade them for our players in a instant

The Knights are playing better without Cuthbertson, Mckinnon, and Gidley for that matter. Oh you do realize all three have been injured for over a month in that time the Knights finally managed to string 3 games in a row

 

[Broncoman]

If Wayne Bennett is overrated as a coach because he won premierships with star studded Brisbane teams every coach is overrated. Here is a list of the grand final winners over the last 10 years and the Origin or Test players that played with them at the time or who went on to, and who was coaching them.

Penrith 2003 - Origin/Test reps: Rhys Wesser, Luke Lewis, Ryan Girdler, Luke Rooney, Craig Gower, Joel Clinton, Luke Priddis, Martin Lang, Joe Galuvao, Tony Puletua, Scott Sattler, Ben Ross, Trent Waterhouse, Coach: John Lang

Bulldogs 2004 - Origin/Test reps: Hazem El Masri, Willie Tonga, Matt Utai, Braith Anasta, Mark O'Meley, Roy Asotasi, Willie Mason, Andrew Ryan, SBW, Reni Maitua, JT, Coach : Steve Folkes

Wests Tigers 2005 - Origin/Test reps: Brett Hodgson, Paul Whatuira, Benji Marshell, Scott Prince, Anthony Laffranchi, Robbie Farah, Chris Heighington, Dene Halatau, Coach: Tim Sheens

Brisbane 2006 - Origin/Test reps: Justin Hodges, Darius Boyd, Brent Tate, David Stagg, Kharmicael Hunt, Darren Lockyer, Shane Webcke, Shaun Berrigan, Petero Civoniceva, Sam Thiaday, Brad Thorn, Tonie Carroll, Corey Parker, Dane Carlaw, Ben Hannant, Casey McGuire, Coach: Wayne Bennett

Melbourne 2007 - Origin/Test reps: Billy Slater, Steve Turner, Matt King, Israel Folau, Anthony Quinn, Greg Inglis, Cooper Cronk, Ben Cross, Cameron Smith, Brett White, Adam Blair, Ryan Hoffman, Dallas Johnson, Matt Geyer, Jeremy Smith, Michael Crocker, Jeff Lima, Coach: Craig Bellamy

Manly 2008 - Origin/Test reps: Brett Stewart, Steven Bell, Steve Matai, David Williams, Jamie Lyon, Brent Kite, Matt Ballin, Josh Perry, Anthony Watmough, Glenn Stewart, Jason King, Steve Menzies, Coach: Des Hasler

Melbourne 2009 - Origin/Test reps: Billy Slater, Steve Turner, Greg Inglis, Dane Nielson, Cooper Cronk, Cameron Smith, Brett White, Adam Blair, Ryan Hoffman, Dallas Johnson, Jeff Lima, Coach : Craig Bellamy

St George-Illawarra 2010 - Origin/Test reps: Darius Boyd, Brett Morris, Mark Gasnier, Matt Cooper, Jason Nightingale, Jamie Soward, Ben Hornby, Neville Costigan, Dean Young, Michael Weyman, Beau Scott, Ben Creagh, Jeremy Smith, Nathan Fien, Trent Merrin, Coach: Wayne Bennett

Manly 2011 - Origin/Test reps - Brett Stewart, Jamie Lyon, Steve Matai, Will Hopoate, Kieran Foran, DCE, Joe Galuvao, Matt Ballin, Brent Kite, Anthony Watmough, Tony Williams, Glenn Stewart, Jamie Buhrer, Coach: Des Hasler

Melbourne 2012 - Origin/Test reps - Billy Slater, Dane Nielson, Cooper Cronk, Jesse Bromwich, Cameron Smith, Kevin Proctor, Ryan Hoffman, Sika Manu, Coach: Craig Bellamy

 

[Anonymous person]

If Wayne Bennett is overrated as a coach because he won premierships with star studded Brisbane teams every coach is overrated. Here is a list of the grand final winners over the last 10 years and the Origin or Test players that played with them at the time or who went on to, and who was coaching them.

firstly, 5 of those 10 are the same 2 teams, with mostly the same rosters lol. success breeds rep selection, even if theyre unworthy of it on merit alone, so of course the teams that have won multiple premierships over a 4-5 year period will have more origin/test players.

secondly, the 2 bennett coached teams - broncos and saints - had 16 and 15 origin/test reps respectively. the only team with more was the storm in 2007 with 17.

thirdly, in 2006 (bennett premiership) the broncos had 9 of the current QLD team in its starting 13. in 2010 (bennett premiership) the dragons had 7 of the current origin squad players in their starting 13. more than any other team in any of their respective premiership years (with only melbourne in 07 equalling st george with 7).

2003 - 1 panther in origin
2004 - 5 bulldogs in origin
2005 - 0 tigers in origin
2006 - 9 broncos in origin
2007 - 7 storm in origin
2008 - 1 sea eagles in origin
2009 - 6 storm in origin
2010 - 7 dragons in origin
2011 - 4 sea eagles in origin
2012 - 4 storm in origin

so basically, what you just posted proved my point more than yours lol.

i know you werent watching football in the early 90s, but if you even think that a modern day team is comparable to the 92/93 broncos, and especially the 97/98 broncos teams, youve got rocks in your head. 98 was basically unlimited salary cap for the broncos, and as such we had 12 broncos in the QLD team that won the origin series that year. the "coaching" required of those teams was so far removed from what was needed to get say the west tigers to a premiership that they may as well be separate sports all together.

 

[Coxy]

Yes, but how many City-Country, Tonga and Fiji reps did the Storm and Manly have?

 

[Huge]

I'll respond to your last point first as is the norm for you insomuch as you have misunderstood. When I pointed out there is not much different I was referring to the donkey work all teams do and the relatively small amount of work that the leading teams do that the lesser lights miss out on. In other words there is not much different but highly critical the difference is. I was not referring to onfield results or the difference in results/ class.

If you wish to make out The 2010 st George team to be superstars then fine but its a very unsustainable claim. Sure they had a few goodies but who didn't. A lot of the superstar claims about that team are bogus, Weyman ?honest toiler,Jason Nightingale ! Jamie Soward ! Ben Hornby and Nathan Fien. Now out of that lot how could anyone utter superstar, seriously ? Sure there were a few decent players and at a stretch maybe one superstar but most were good first graders and no more. Even Gasnier was on his last legs, at the end and only picking up a retirement sling.

We dumped Bennett, we went downhill while the teams he coaches/coached enjoyed greater success. You may be happy with how it turned out AP because as a Bennett hater you got the result you wanted but me, Im deeply unhappy with where my club has ended up and I lay the blame for that squarely on the short-sighted decision to remove one of the worlds best coaches and replace him with Neville's.

 

[Broncoman]

In my lists of the Grand Final teams I could've said that a fair few of those Tigers players were unlucky not to get selected after that win as there were a fair few of players in that team that were capable of rep footy, John Skandalis stands out.

 

[Anonymous person]

In my lists of the Grand Final teams I could've said that a fair few of those Tigers players were unlucky not to get selected after that win as there were a fair few of players in that team that were capable of rep footy, John Skandalis stands out.

and? that doesnt change anything lol.

COMPOUND FRACTURE, you do realise that in 3 of the 4 years since bennett left the Broncos have finished above his team at the end of the year, dont you?

 

[Porthoz]

Whenever I have insomnia, I come to this thread...

 

[Broncoman]

and? that doesnt change anything lol.

It wasn't intended to argue against your opinion if the post doesn't interest you ignore it and move on to the next one.

 

[Anonymous person]

It wasn't intended to argue against your opinion if the post doesn't interest you ignore it and move on to the next one.

so what was the point of it? if it wasnt intended to rebut my post then what was it for?

 

[Broncoman]

so what was the point of it? if it wasnt intended to rebut my post then what was it for?

I was out walking my dog and during the walk I thought about those teams I posted and thought mostly about that 2005 Grand Final, that team had the least amount of rep players in it but imo had a good share of blokes that wouldn't have been out of place in Origins or Tests.

 

[Huge]

COMPOUND FRACTURE, you do realise that in 3 of the 4 years since bennett left the Broncos have finished above his team at the end of the year, dont you?[/QUOTE]

St George won two minor premierships converting one into a GF win. Exactly how did the Broncos finish above the minor premiers ? Way to misrepresent . Broncos 2012 season mmm,you may consider a 50 50 season as okay. 8 th out of 16 teams Oh, that's right, you don't think so do you. As a matter of fact you find it appalling or is it okay when you are trying vainly to prove some crap point.

 

[Anonymous person]

I would say that actually knocking a team out of the finals series qualifies as finishing above them, wouldn't you? remember when the broncos knocked the dragons out of the finals both in 2009 and 2011? The broncos played again the next week, whereas the dragons season was over.

find a scenario where the dragons finished on top in those 2 seasons. I'm all ears.

oh and no, 2012 wasn't an ok season for the broncos imo. But you know what? It was better than the Bennett coached knights season ;)

 

[Huge]

After the regular season, how's that ?
Thats a scenario isn't it ? See , anyone can be stupid when they want. No matter what I write though, you cowardly omit to answer my claims. Tell me if we have gone better or worse since WB left Brisbane. I don't give a flying **** what you blame, the evidence is everywhere. We are failing and getting worse unlike the teams WB has coached who either have tasted success or are on their way to it.

 

[Anonymous person]

When they give the actual premiership to the team that finishes the regular season on top of the ladder you might have a decent argument. As it stands though, we have a finals series. If team a knocks team b out of the finals series, team a finished ahead of team b. You know, kinda like how the team that wins the grand final are the premiers, not the runner ups.

I've already answered your question like 10 posts ago. Not my fault if you're too busy kissing your Benny poster to miss it.

 

[Broncoman]

This thread should be renamed the AP V COMPOUND FRACTURE thread

 

[Huge]

All threads end up being the World versus AP. btw AP the answer cannot be yes and no. Only one or the other. Unlike you Im not blinded by an emotion ,neither love nor hate. Most people consider WB one of the greats and of these many are the ones who'd know. People actually in the game, people who've been coached by him and people who have coached against. Even long time commentators and employers think along these lines yet you, you somehow are the only one who has got the inside scoop and can see things as they really are. Right lol.