The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[Anonymous person]

All threads end up being the World versus AP. btw AP the answer cannot be yes and no. Only one or the other. Unlike you Im not blinded by an emotion ,neither love nor hate. Most people consider WB one of the greats and of these many are the ones who'd know. People actually in the game, people who've been coached by him and people who have coached against. Even long time commentators and employers think along these lines yet you, you somehow are the only one who has got the inside scoop and can see things as they really are. Right lol.

your overzealous defence of anything that could be seen as even remotely anti-bennett says otherwise lol.

and yes, the answer can be yes and no, just like i explained. we got WAY better without him, we were looking like a premiership was a matter of when, not if, with our playing roster. then some people got injuries, some retired, some jumped ship to other codes out of the blue, and it all fell apart. so again, we got better after bennett left, but then circumstances drastically changed and our inept administration made some stupid decisions and here we are today.

love how youre now using other peoples opinion to try and say that my opinion is wrong lol. believe me, im not the only one who thinks that wayne bennett is no longer the coaching messiah. even lots of his biggest fans would admit that hes been overtaken by bellamy and hasler at the very least. the results speak for themselves - bellamy/hasler coached teams have outperformed bennett coached teams consistently for a long time.

 

[Kimlo]

Hasler maybe, Bennett has two premierships in the last 7 years, Bellamy has 1.

 

[Anonymous person]

lol lets not go there again, you know my feelings on those premierships.

 

[Ari Gold]

Most people consider WB one of the greats

He will go down as one of the greats no doubt, but that doesn't mean that as of right now he's still at that level. Just like Ricky Ponting will go down as one of our great batsmen, his level at the end of his career was nowhere near it.

Now, WB's drop off is nowhere near that bad, but I really struggle to see how anyone could argue that anyone not named Des Hasler is the best coach of the past 5 years.

 

[Kimlo]

WB isn't as great as he once was but he's still a fine coach IMO. You can't stay on top forever.

I'm also of the opinion Hasler is the best coach in the game currently.

 

[Anonymous person]

He will go down as one of the greats no doubt, but that doesn't mean that as of right now he's still at that level.

this is apparently the most difficult concept in the entire world to grasp lol.

 

[Dexter]

WB isn't as great as he once was but he's still a fine coach IMO. You can't stay on top forever.

I'm also of the opinion Hasler is the best coach in the game currently.

If we are going on recent form then he isn't IMHO. He had his bum smacked tactically in last years GF and failed to have a plan B to test Melb when they showed their hand with aggressive shut down D. This year he has struggled to keep team harmony and his tactics from last year are nowhere as effective but he still keeps playing the same way.

 

[Anonymous person]

i think bellamy is number 1, hasler number 2, mcguire number 3.

like Dexter said, last years grand final was one of the best examples of one coach "out coaching" the other that you could ever get. Canterbury had a play style that they used all year that won them lots of games and got them to the grand final. bellamy then devised a game plan that just completely shut down haslers game plan, and hasler was powerless to do anything.

thats great coaching. that and the fact that after everything that happened with melbourne, he took them to a minor premiership in 2011 then the premiership in 2012.

 

[1910]

i think bellamy is number 1, hasler number 2, mcguire number 3.

like Dexter said, last years grand final was one of the best examples of one coach "out coaching" the other that you could ever get. Canterbury had a play style that they used all year that won them lots of games and got them to the grand final. bellamy then devised a game plan that just completely shut down haslers game plan, and hasler was powerless to do anything.

thats great coaching. that and the fact that after everything that happened with melbourne, he took them to a minor premiership in 2011 then the premiership in 2012.

Kevvie was tremendous in the Grand Final last year, he pulled the Dogs' plan apart- two of the Storm tries (Slater and O'Niell) were Kevvie's planning. He does a lot of that for Bellamy and does it really well.

 

[Huge]

What AP does not appreciate is that I too think other coaches have done a better job recently. At no time have I offered the judgement that WB is still the great force he once was. What I take exception to is the mindless and ill considered denigration of both his game plan, tactics or coaching ability. The stupid attempt to somehow ameliorate his achievements. The ridiculous assertion or inference that the common man could have achieved the same results with the rosters available to him.

No matter what anyone claims, the Broncos are poorer for his departure. Two foreign teams have been the beneficiaries.

 

[Anonymous person]

What AP does not appreciate is that I too think other coaches have done a better job recently. At no time have I offered the judgement that WB is still the great force he once was. What I take exception to is the mindless and ill considered denigration of both his game plan, tactics or coaching ability. The stupid attempt to somehow ameliorate his achievements. The ridiculous assertion or inference that the common man could have achieved the same results with the rosters available to him.

No matter what anyone claims, the Broncos are poorer for his departure. Two foreign teams have been the beneficiaries.

his tactics, game plan and coaching ability have stayed the same - thats the problem.

and the broncos teams of 92/93/97/98 couldve been coached by the common man to achieve the same result. if you dont realise that you mustnt have watched much footy back then. there was no brilliant coaching on display there like we see these days from coaches like hasler, mcguire and bellamy. they were teams packed to the rafters with players in the top 1-3 of their position in the league, in every position. they were teams that you could not assemble in this day and age unless you used the whole salary cap for about 10 people.

what will you say if we happen to sign barba and/or cherry-evans? arguably 2 of the biggest signing the club has ever made.

 

[Big Pete]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Are players destined to be top 3, or does coaching influence their greatness?

 

[Mr Fourex]

Can I have the chicken omelette....please?

 

[Renegade]

Are players destined to be top 3, or does coaching influence their greatness?

Good question.

Someone like Billy Slater would've been good no matter where he went because he has the physical attributes to succeed and the desire to improve.

Someone like Cooper Cronk is a good example of hard work paying off, not the most naturally talented but probably the hardest worker at the club because he has to be. I think if Cronk had of played under another coach, he wouldn't of been as good as he is.

 

[Anonymous person]

So just did a quick check and the knights have only beaten one team that is currently ranked 1-9, the bulldogs. They now only have 2 matches against top 8 ranked teams in the remaining rounds. So its possible/probable that they will make the finals while only beating a single team placed above them on the ladder. That paints a sad picture of our competition this year, and doesn't really look good for old Wayne does it?

 

[Mr Fourex]

That paints a sad picture of our competition this year, and doesn't really look good for old Wayne does it?

A sad competition or ridiculous scheduling.........??

Not sure if it's just me, but the fixtures scheduling this year have seemed way off kilter than in previous years. Teams playing against one another just weeks after having previously played..... etc etc

seems off.

 

[Anonymous person]

both, but theyre not necessarily linked.

more teams are bad this year than any year i can remember. apart from the top 4 theyre all pretty poor.

the scheduling has been terrible. we played the titans twice in a handful of weeks, now we've got the knights twice in 4-5 weeks. as you said, it seems to be happening a lot this year. thats something that needs to be addressed, as its terrible.

 

[Mr Fourex]

both, but theyre not necessarily linked.

more teams are bad this year than any year i can remember. apart from the top 4 theyre all pretty poor.

the scheduling has been terrible. we played the titans twice in a handful of weeks, now we've got the knights twice in 4-5 weeks. as you said, it seems to be happening a lot this year. thats something that needs to be addressed, as its terrible.

Eels playing Manly again in a week or two as well.........

It's bullshit! Somebody dropped the ball. How could they work out this schedule at the start of the season and not realise something was wrong?

Just what are our games over paid administrators, being over paid to do?