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Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Unbreakable said:
This is pretty similar to what I'm hoping for, except we'll probably have to release Hoffman to be able to afford Boyd & Garbutt, so replace him with Vidot or Kahu. I'd also have Glenn starting and Thaiday on the bench, but that's just my personal preference.
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Yeah we probably have to release at least one person to afford Boyd. I have Glenn on the bench because he is a better utility player, but it doesn't really matter either way.
 
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Ari Gold said:
How many of those washed up has beens has WB been responsible for signing? This is WB's third year at the Knights so it should be his best roster yet. But it's not. A lot of the blame has to be assigned to him for that. Consistently plays guys like Faalogo over Tapine or Korbin or whatever other young forwards they might have.
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exactly.

"They have a shit roster" doesn't fly as an excuse when bennett recr​uited and chose a large portion of the roster!

for his first year with them, Bennett signed (there are more, but these are the big names):

Boyd
Buderus
Cuthbertson
McKinnon
Rochow
Snowden
Tahu
Mason

For 2013 he signed (there are more, but these are the big names):

Gower
Leilua
Quinn
Scott
Smith
Waddell

You cannot possibly look at their team and say that he wasn't responsible for their so called shit roster when he recruited most of them.

His 3 years at the knights will go down as one of the biggest coaching failings in NRL history. he was brought there on a huge paycheck to bring a premiership, everyone said he would do it within 2-3 years, they were premiership favourites before the season even began, and hes now missed the 8 two out of 3 times and just barely scraped in in the other. he then pulled out of his last year of his contract. his win percentage for the knights is pathetic, right up there with the worst of all time.

it was a complete and utter failure on his behalf. he had full control of basically the entire club, recruited who he wanted, dropped who he wanted, hired who he wanted, and has now left the knights absolutely wrecked for 2015 and the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Anonymous person said:
exactly.

"They have a shit roster" doesn't fly as an excuse when bennett recr​uited and chose a large portion of the roster!

for his first year with them, Bennett signed (there are more, but these are the big names):

Boyd
Buderus
Cuthbertson
McKinnon
Rochow
Snowden
Tahu
Mason

For 2013 he signed (there are more, but these are the big names):

Gower
Leilua
Quinn
Scott
Smith
Waddell

You cannot possibly look at their team and say that he wasn't responsible for their so called shit roster when he recruited most of them.

His 3 years at the knights will go down as one of the biggest coaching failings in NRL history. he was brought there on a huge paycheck to bring a premiership, everyone said he would do it within 2-3 years, they were premiership favourites before the season even began, and hes now missed the 8 two out of 3 times and just barely scraped in in the other. he then pulled out of his last year of his contract. his win percentage for the knights is pathetic, right up there with the worst of all time.

it was a complete and utter failure on his behalf. he had full control of the basically the entire club, recruited who he wanted, dropped who he wanted, hired who he wanted, and has now left the knights absolutely wrecked for 2015 and the foreseeable future.
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We're all over repeating ourselves. Hopefully you get there soon, dude.
 
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You just keep repeating excuses though. I'm not going to stop posting just because you stick your head in the sand.
 
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Bennett is going to lose the playing group pretty quick by flicking Barba/Hoffman for his beloved Boyd. It is an absolute dick move. I had hope he wouldn't bring him but it looks like that won't be the case. As times goes by I think this is a shit decision by the board.
 
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Bucking Beads said:
Bennett is going to lose the playing group pretty quick by flicking Barba/Hoffman for his beloved Boyd. It is an absolute dick move. I had hope he wouldn't bring him but it looks like that won't be the case. As times goes by I think this is a **** decision by the board.
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Hope he makes his intentions clear as soon as possible.
 
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Bucking Beads said:
Bennett is going to lose the playing group pretty quick by flicking Barba/Hoffman for his beloved Boyd. It is an absolute dick move. I had hope he wouldn't bring him but it looks like that won't be the case. As times goes by I think this is a shit decision by the board.
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It's still all specuation. I don't really want Boyd, but Hoffman cannot play fullback or the halves next year. So if thats what it takes for him to stay he can piss off anyway
 
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Anonymous person said:
You just keep repeating excuses though. I'm not going to stop posting just because you stick your head in the sand.
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Haha I've said one time that their roster is shit. Excuses aren't always just things that are said to pass the blame onto something else either. We couldn't really just sit there and allow you to spew ridiculous accusations about his ethics and ability on every single thread without responding with reasons as to why those things could have occurred. His three years at the Knights have been shit but I'm not going to judge his almost 40 year career on that like you have.
 
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Cult3 said:
I have a question, and it's not directly aimed at you but you can answer if you know. I feel as though Foordy or AP should answer as they're the ones using this argument. When Bennett so "famously" made all these shitty selections for the Broncos, who were the younger players coming up in the squad who were forcing their way into the top 17?
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Can anyone answer this please. I don't like that it's been said that there are questions being asked by those who are against Bennett yet this has been avoided. Blatant hypocrisy.
 
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Danoz Direct said:
Hope he makes his intentions clear as soon as possible.
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I doubt any decisions will be made official until the season is over for both teams, unfortunately the speculation is going to be like wildfire over the next month or 2.

This will be one of the media's go to pieces when they need space to fill in papers and on websites. Boyd will be playing anywhere from 1-7 next year for us, Hoffman will be at as many as 5 clubs, Barba will be the Titans marquee signing, McQuire will be following Griffin even if his next job is manager at the local Maccas, Hunt will be contemplating a $2M a season offer from the Sharks because Bennett won't return his managers calls and Kearney and Walters will have a best of 3 cage match to take the Assistant Coach position.

Yep, the next few months are going to be shithouse for rumours, and sadly on here we will eat them all up.
 
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Cult3 said:
Can anyone answer this please. I don't like that it's been said that there are questions being asked by those who are against Bennett yet this has been avoided. Blatant hypocrisy.
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I'm a Bennett neutral so hope you don't mind me answering but I do recall thinking he never gave Berrick Barnes a fair go when we had him on our books.

From memory he used to select Casey McQuire in front of him when the opportunity arose and I always felt that Barnes had more upside than McQuire and feel if he had have gotten better treatment we wouldn't have lost him to Union.
 
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Bennet also came into Newcastle with a mandate from Tinkler to recruit former Hunter Valley/Newcastle youth players to bring a local and community orientation to the club. So some of those signing while not forced upon Bennet were in line with the clubs wishes and choosing the best players for positions because of where they were born/where they played grade football doesn't breed success.
 
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broncos4life said:
I, or others have answered them previously, yet you constantly ignore them. What was that saying you love so much about a pot and a kettle. I'll answer them for the last time because this is getting ridiculous.


- Who said Bennett was not an improvement on griffin? I personally think it has been said or at the very least Inferred. Pretty sure AP has said it. I don't really think I have claimed people have said that, I have responded several times to people claiming that Bennett can't coach, which I have every right to do.

How many times did the Broncos have a big post Origin slump post 2000 under Bennett? pretty much every year I believe. Once again I never claimed the didn't (this is another example of how you take what I post in reply to AP out of context). Of course we had post origin form slumps, we did with griffin and Henjak too. My two points in regard to this was that:
A) denying that it had anything to do with the heavy representation we have in origin is lunacy
B) WB obviously found a way to get us out of it at least once seeing we won the premiership in 2006 (although we fluked that as you claim)

- Who, besides AP, has even implied Bennett is a shit coach, or as you call it, terrible? once again I'm pretty sure that has been said multiple times. The line that Newcastle have been shit this year so he is shit has been peddled out meaning times. I don't want to single posters out but you would be aware of this, unless all you have been doing in the WB threads is trawling for my posts

- Besides being generally more effective, is Bennett ball any different from Griffin ball? this one I know I have answered several times, but hear we go again. Griffinball is a very very shot version of the style Bennett uses. That fact that it has been so unsuccessful makes it misleading to claim that they are the same. Bennett traditionally plays high percentage football and one out down the middle, but he uses his players effectively and makes sure he has the props etc to do that effectively.

If I go into my kitchen and slap a couple of meat patties on a bun you can't say that I make burgers like maccas.

If you want to call it the same then that's fine, I'll concede, but I don't give a **** because it's successful and I want the broncos to win, and to an extent (bar cheating) I don't care how it happens. No one comes up to you after the game and says "well you won, but it was pretty boring so we are giving it to the other team"

Are Reed or Lowrie for example, typical Bennett players? not exclusively. He employed those types of players at a time when that's what the team needed. They had the brilliance of locky, strike backline and big engine room but needed dependable work horses. What's wrong with that. Look at Newcastle, has he recruited any reed types for his centre pairing? No. It's not one size fits all.

- Should we get rid of Barba in favour of Boyd, as many people seem to think will happen (and yes, I know this is purely rumour without any other base than the fact Boyd has followed WB everywhere). no of course we shouldn't, but that is just wild speculation. Surely I'm not expected to respond to every piece of shit Matthew johns or the media spew out. At this point there is no guarantee Boyd will even play footy again, or at least in the best future. We have no idea the status of his depression. That's crazy speculation but if you want an answer, no I don't think barba should go for Boyd provided that his form keeps improving
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You didn't reply to AP, you replied to me.

Essentially, what you're saying is that anyone not on WB's ark is AP... and you'll reply to them with sarcastic jabs because you "personally think" that someone said Wayne can't coach, even if they didn't. Gotcha!

Did I do any of the things you feel you must defend WB from, or is being sceptical enough reason?

Getting back to the matter at hand, you do agree the Broncos have had post Origin slumps every year under Bennett, just like Griffin. You agree that Bennett ball is like Griffin ball, except more effective. You agree that Reed and Lowrie are the type of players Bennett likes to complement his team, albeit not exclusively. Finally, you agree that Boyd shouldn't follow Bennett, especially not at Barba's cost. Please tell me if I'm wrong, because you seem to actually agree with me... just saying!

What we probably don't agree upon, is that Bennett hasn't been that good since 2000, even if he did win 2 premierships, especially his stint at the Knights, which you seem to want to ignore because... you know... 7 premierships.

Don't get me wrong... 2006 was fantastic, but imo 2008 and 2011 were actually better years, although we didn't win the title. We weren't looking likely to win 2006 at all, until we strung those wonderful 2.5 games together in the finals.

So, as a friend, my message to you is... stop being a sarcastic prick and putting everyone in the same bag!
 
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Porthoz said:
You didn't reply to AP, you replied to me.

Essentially, what you're saying is that anyone not on WB's ark is AP... and you'll reply to them with sarcastic jabs because you "personally think" that someone said Wayne can't coach, even if they didn't. Gotcha!

Did I do any of the things you feel you must defend WB from, or is being sceptical enough reason?

Getting back to the matter at hand, you do agree the Broncos have had post Origin slumps every year under Bennett, just like Griffin. You agree that Bennett ball is like Griffin ball, except more effective. You agree that Reed and Lowrie are the type of players Bennett likes to complement his team, albeit not exclusively. Finally, you agree that Boyd shouldn't follow Bennett, especially not at Barba's cost. Please tell me if I'm wrong, because you seem to actually agree with me... just saying!

What we probably don't agree upon, is that Bennett hasn't been that good since 2000, even if he did win 2 premierships, especially his stint at the Knights, which you seem to want to ignore because... you know... 7 premierships.

Don't get me wrong... 2006 was fantastic, but imo 2008 and 2011 were actually better years, although we didn't win the title. We weren't looking likely to win 2006 at all, until we strung those wonderful 2.5 games together in the finals.

So, as a friend, my message to you is... stop being a sarcastic prick and putting everyone in the same bag!
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Look I am done with this whole topic.

I didn't acknowledge the newcastle years because whenever someone tries to discuss them they are told they are just making excuses, so I don't bother anymore.

I took the time to answer al your questions, yet you just summise them into a sentence and gleam that I agree with you, which isn't really the case because I believe there is more to things than saying 'bennettball is griffinball', but successful. It's like saying "Google is like this website I just designed, but successful... because you know, they both use code and stuff"

Like I said earlier, I'm done with all of this. I don't care anymore if bennett is good or bad, will win a premiership or destroy the broncos, I just don't give a ****.

I won't put you in the same bag anymore, sorry for that, but I won't stop being sarcastic when people are speaking shit and if people don't like that either moderate my posts or give me a ban.
 
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