The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[talanoa]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

News through today is that one of the knights forwards from the 20's is definitely following Wayne to the club on a first grade contract, I don't know who that exactly is yet but ill try and find out. I guess it will be interesting to see who it is and if there will be anymore follow him? if so that will potentially have ramifications for the current roster and other kids coming through from inside the current broncos system. Will update as soon as I have more info.

 

[rnabokov]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

News through today is that one of the knights forwards from the 20's is definitely following Wayne to the club on a first grade contract, I don't know who that exactly is yet but ill try and find out. I guess it will be interesting to see who it is and if there will be anymore follow him? if so that will potentially have ramifications for the current roster and other kids coming through from inside the current broncos system. Will update as soon as I have more info.

Interesting. I also hope he buys and brings the Acme Book of Coaching Defence as well.

Have we had 50 points put on us this season? If Griffin is as bad as everyone says, why have we conceded almost 100 points less than the team Bennett coaches?

My god, we even have Gillett in the team!

Why have we scored almost 100 points more than the Knights under Griffin?

I agree Griffin is not up to NRL standard, (but he should have been given until the end of this season to prove himself) and I make no bones about the fact that I don't like Bennett's coaching tactics, never had, and I don't want him at the club.

 

[Broncoman]

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AP hates Bennett, thats why he doesn't want him back ... the rest of us on the anti-Bennett train, have different and far more realistic fears about Bennett's return.

Yep I couldn't be bothered with his agendas anymore. I just plain ignore it.

AP is the Phil Rothfield of BroncosHQ

 

[Cult]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Interesting. I also hope he buys and brings the Acme Book of Coaching Defence as well.

Have we had 50 points put on us this season? If Griffin is as bad as everyone says, why have we conceded almost 100 points less than the team Bennett coaches?

My god, we even have Gillett in the team!

Why have we scored almost 100 points more than the Knights under Griffin?

I agree Griffin is not up to NRL standard, (but he should have been given until the end of this season to prove himself) and I make no bones about the fact that I don't like Bennett's coaching tactics, never had, and I don't want him at the club.

This is a really good question. No, not really. It's stupid. We have a team that should be top 4. They have a team that should be bottom 4.

 

[Big Pete]

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The Knights roster is no better than the Broncos.

In fact, plenty of people rated it better than the Broncos before the season kicked off.

It's only now that the season is nearly over that people are going back and placing all the blame on the roster...a roster mind you that Bennett helped build.

It shouldn't be an issue next year - that's all that needs to be said.

 

[Ari Gold]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

News through today is that one of the knights forwards from the 20's is definitely following Wayne to the club on a first grade contract, I don't know who that exactly is yet but ill try and find out. I guess it will be interesting to see who it is and if there will be anymore follow him? if so that will potentially have ramifications for the current roster and other kids coming through from inside the current broncos system. Will update as soon as I have more info.

Let's just be grateful it's someone from the 20's and not the 30's. As long as it's a prop then I don't mind.

 

[Porthoz]

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The top quote is an example of how you take things out of context and exaggerate. No one has said WB is perfect or the messiah or any of that shit. Some of us, like myself, think that he is a massive upgrade on who we currently have and refuse to believe that he fluked 7 premierships.

How is that calling him the messiah or sucking his dick?

Sorry to break it to you mate, but trotting out his 7 premierships every time someone brings out equally valid points against Bennett is exactly that.

Besides, please tell me who on BHQ said Bennett wasn't an improvement on Griffin? I know I have said so many times, but since I don't praise him as the second coming, I guess that puts me squarely in the other camp...

Man, there's going to be a whole new definition of pot and kettle just for you! :aetsch:

 

[broncos4life]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Sorry to break it to you mate, but trotting out his 7 premierships every time someone brings out equally valid points against Bennett is exactly that.

Besides, please tell me who on BHQ said Bennett wasn't an improvement on Griffin? I know I have said so many times, but since I don't praise him as the second coming, I guess that puts me squarely in the other camp...

Man, there's going to be a whole new definition of pot and kettle just for you! :aetsch:

So when someone says he is a terrible and I say 7 premierships suggests he can coach, that's calling him the messiah? Ok mate, whatever you reckon.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

This is a really good question. No, not really. It's stupid. We have a team that should be top 4. They have a team that should be bottom 4.

I'm sorry, who's responsible for putting that team together?

 

[Cult]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

The Knights roster is no better than the Broncos.

In fact, plenty of people rated it better than the Broncos before the season kicked off.

It's only now that the season is nearly over that people are going back and placing all the blame on the roster...a roster mind you that Bennett helped build.

It shouldn't be an issue next year - that's all that needs to be said.

You're right. The Knights roster is no better than the Broncos. Hence the difference in how our teams should be finishing. Their team is no where near as good as ours in almost every position this week.

 

[Cult]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I'm sorry, who's responsible for putting that team together?

Haha yeah because I'm sure Wayne got every single player he wanted at the Knights. Newcastle is a lot harder to recruit for than the Broncos.

 

[Huge]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Some of us are happy he's returning, some are not. No one, as far as I know has considered it to be the return of a Messiah rather most of us who like and respect WB welcome the return of the man who built the club we love. I don't give a rats arse about what he did or failed to do at Newcastle, I won't bother trying to defend his results nor will I condemn Griffin for his efforts. He tried hard, tried his best in fact.

From my perspective I hope the death riders on here give WB the same leeway they allowed Griffin, a coach who was on the outer long before this season was underway. The sack Griffin thread was started long ago and many would have been happy with a cardboard cutout instead. Now we have the best of the AVAILABLE coaches so irrespective of the bias some carry we should support the decision and look forward.

I have no idea who WB will bring or what the final makeup of our squad next year will be but I know the team will have structure and intent. Roll on 2015.

 

[Cult]

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I have a question, and it's not directly aimed at you but you can answer if you know. I feel as though Foordy or AP should answer as they're the ones using this argument. When Bennett so "famously" made all these shitty selections for the Broncos, who were the younger players coming up in the squad who were forcing their way into the top 17?

Bumping because I am curious. Come on [MENTION=1769]Foordy[/MENTION]

 

[Porthoz]

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So when someone says he is a terrible and I say 7 premierships suggests he can coach, that's calling him the messiah? Ok mate, whatever you reckon.

Come on then, actually answer the hard questions and stop being so selective about what you want to answer, and certainly what you want to avoid answering. These are the questions I, and others who are sceptical about WB's return, have been asking, and whom you constantly sarcastically rip into:

- Who said Bennett was not an improvement on Griffin?
- How many times did the Broncos have a big post Origin slump post 2000 under Bennett?
- Who, besides AP, has even implied Bennett is a shit coach, or as you call it, terrible?
- Besides being generally more effective, is Bennett ball any different from Griffin ball?
- Are Reed or Lowrie for example, typical Bennett players?
- Should we get rid of Barba in favour of Boyd, as many people seem to think will happen (and yes, I know this is purely rumour without any other base than the fact Boyd has followed WB everywhere).

Haha yeah because I'm sure Wayne got every single player he wanted at the Knights. Newcastle is a lot harder to recruit for than the Broncos.

Yup, no worries. I remember him failing to recruit whomever he wanted the Knights when he moved there, you're right.

Oh wait.....

 

[Cult]

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Yup, no worries. I remember him failing to recruit whomever he wanted the Knights when he moved there, you're right.

Oh wait.....

Well I'm super glad you're aware of everything that goes on behind the scenes at the Knights, mate. Because I have no fucking idea.

 

[Big Pete]

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You're right. The Knights roster is no better than the Broncos. Hence the difference in how our teams should be finishing. Their team is no where near as good as ours in almost every position this week.

I'll preface all of this by saying that this post has barely anything to do with you. I just want to set the record straight in the hope that people actually read this instead of constantly repeating the same misguided points over and over again.

And they got smashed by 40 points by a lesser team.

Add in the missing players and I doubt the result changes, just the scoreline.

Not really my concern.

My concern is this revisionist history being used to excuse Bennett.

It was only around July that the majority of Rugby League fans (namely Broncos fans) have come out and declared the Knights roster a rabble. So uncoachable that not even the great Wayne Bennett could steer them outside of the bottom four. And that's Bennett, the greatest of all time - if some joe blow coach like Rick Stone took over, I bet he wouldn't be able to win a game, right?

Give me a break.

Now, you maybe in the minority of people who didn't rate them as a finals bound team, but the majority of the Rugby League fraternity had them as a Top 8 team and that was after the Auckland 9s. The prevailing thought was that the Knights finished the season so well and showed so much upside that surely they'd find more consistency and steel themselves.

Instead it's been one of their worst seasons.

Thoughts of Newcastle having one of the best backlines in the world, a potential Origin halves in Mullen/Roberts and the like disappeared and now they're considered a joke.

The sad thing is, statistically speaking, Wayne Bennett is the second worst coach the Newcastle Knights have had in their history.

27 seasons in the competition and Bennett currently sits as the second worst coach in their history.

Heck, if they dish up more performances like today, he may even end up being their worst. It might be mathematically impossible because Alan McMahon spent 3 and a bit seasons there but he wouldn't be too far off and honestly, McMahon had a whole lot less to work with than Wayne did as far as resources and talent roster went.

I just get sick of that line after line of excuses being made for him.

Why don't fans just accept his stint at the Knights for what it was and just say that he'll have a different roster to work with and issues that you believe he can deal with?

It's better than these revisionist historians who constantly try and excuse Bennett for everything.

It's also a lot better than filling up the Broncos boards with Newcastle updates. If anyone has the urge to do that, I implore them to go and sign up for Marathon or whatever the Knights board is called because honestly it's a vapid post designed only to interfere with any worthwhile discussion.

That goes both ways too. When I click on a Broncos thread on a Broncos board, I don't care about the score from some random Knights v Souths game, unless you're pointing out how Souths scored those points or the mistakes Newcastle were making, I seriously don't care.

And doing it out of 'revenge' or spite is stupid. Some of you really need to take's ning's advice and grow up.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Well I'm super glad you're aware of everything that goes on behind the scenes at the Knights, mate. Because I have no fucking idea.

Well, which is it? It's harder to recruit for the Knights than the Broncos, or you have no fucking idea? Can't have the cake and eat it too mate...

Do you know how many players Newcastle recruited under WB? Do you know how many players Griffin recruited in the same period?
Because I seem to remember Bennett going on a recruitment drive backed by Tinkler's money (promises), bleeding St. George of some of their most important players, like J. Smith, Scott and Boyd, besides fishing at the Sharks and Broncos to name a few.
He may not have gotten every player he wanted, but he sure as hell built their roster to his image!

As BP pointed out, Newcastle is performing far worse than the Broncos, so suddenly it's their roster that is crap, after it was considered easily a top 8 team at the start of the season.
But no responsibility goes to Wayne, god forbid... after all, his 7 premierships should shield him of criticism!

 

[Anonymous person]

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Yep I couldn't be bothered with his agendas anymore. I just plain ignore it.

AP is the Phil Rothfield of BroncosHQ

And you're the ben ikin - no idea about half the things he talks about, wrong about most things, and just loves the sound of his own voice.

As a few above have pointed out, its only the last month that everyone has all of a sudden declared Newcastle have a terrible roster. They were premiership favourites last year iirc? Or was it 2012, when the missed the finals? They were a top 4 side after they made the prelim last year, after a stellar 50% win rate. But now all of a sudden they're not just terrible, but people have gone the extra step now to actually say they're actually doing better than they should be with the roster they have! The sheer stupidity and blatant hypocrisy of it astounds me, even though I knew and said that excuses would start being made when they were out of finals contention for sure.

It's just amazing the lengths some will go to to defend Bennetts honour lol. He actively recruited lots of their main players, he was going to turn Mullen into the next lockyer, he was going to get the best out of every one of their players cause that is his specialty. Then they lose 80% of their games for the year......not his fault, the roster he got was terrible, he didn't get any recruits he wanted, the owner had financial troubles, a guy got injured, someone burned their dinner, someone walked under a ladder - the complete and utter failure of the last 3 years is just in no way any of his fault, is it?

It's pathetic. Face the facts - he went there on the highest coaching wage in nrl history, recruited whoever he wanted, had a good roster to begin with who had made the 8 the year before, and has been a complete and utter failure. He has now probably set them back another 5 years through his recruiting and sudden departure when they needed him most.