The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

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That's like saying everybody else is cheating the cap because Cronulla can't afford to spend the maximum amount on their salary cap.

Everybody had the option to spend the amount Brisbane did, they just weren't in a position to do so.

It's a long bow to be sure.

Yes, but the result is the same, the Broncos ended up with a far, far better team than the Sharks, and about 16 of the other 20 teams that year.

Ari's point being coaching that 1998 Broncos team to a premiership isn't that big an achievement. It coached itself really. Despite the "big 3" I think the Storm's achievements in the last 2 years are actually greater than that 1998 team by comparison - in terms of coaching.

But I still think the Broncos' 2006 win is probably only eclipsed by Penrith in 2003 as an amazing win with a squad that didn't look premiership material until late in the year.
 
Yes, but the result is the same, the Broncos ended up with a far, far better team than the Sharks, and about 16 of the other 20 teams that year.

Ari's point being coaching that 1998 Broncos team to a premiership isn't that big an achievement. It coached itself really. Despite the "big 3" I think the Storm's achievements in the last 2 years are actually greater than that 1998 team by comparison - in terms of coaching.

But I still think the Broncos' 2006 win is probably only eclipsed by Penrith in 2003 as an amazing win with a squad that didn't look premiership material until late in the year.

Although they lost their first 2 games that year they were the minor premiers and from memory were the form team for most of that season.
 
Bennett or Bellamy could coach Norman, Hunt and McCullough to be as dominant as Slater, Cronk and Smith.

Hunt and Macca are like best mates. Hunt should be in the 7 this year with Norman in the 6. Give the boys the ownership of the team (like Kevvie and Kerrod Walters and Alfie), give them security and watch it thrive, rather than sticking it out with Wallace (who should be in jersey 14).

A few building years, rather than buying an old Prince, sticking him with solid and tough but boring Wallace, is the sure fire way to half baked short term solution. I'd rather roll the dice on the future crop.
 
Although they lost their first 2 games that year they were the minor premiers and from memory were the form team for most of that season.

They hit the top of the ladder in round 18-19, then dropped to 2nd again until round 25. People didn't expect them to go on with it, and the Roosters were red hot favourites in the Grand Final. Looking at their squad they were bog ordinary. It was a great achievement from John Lang.
 
They hit the top of the ladder in round 18-19, then dropped to 2nd again until round 25. People didn't expect them to go on with it, and the Roosters were red hot favourites in the Grand Final. Looking at their squad they were bog ordinary. It was a great achievement from John Lang.

There was no team as dominant as the Melbourne Storm until then.

You won't see a second tier team like Titans, Warriors, Tigers, Panthers or Cowboys get a look into a premiership until the big 3 retire, unless they're coached by Hasler or Bennett.

Bulldogs or Storm or maybe Souths are the only ones capable of winning this year.
 
Ari's point being coaching that 1998 Broncos team to a premiership isn't that big an achievement. It coached itself really.
i said that 5+ years ago on here and copped all the abuse you can possibly get lol.

i do lol at people saying that bennett is one of the only coaches who can take a team of nuffies and win a premiership. if anything, bennett is the 1 coach who CANT do that. his gameplan relies on having star players who can win a game by themselves. when he doesnt have those players, he cant win. the number of players that were the "next big thing" that came and went under bennett without so much as even being the "next-slightly-larger-than-usual thing" shows that hes not that fantastic in that area. he can take people that are obviously going to be superstars and get them to play like superstars, but he cant take someone whos shown hints of talent and turn them into superstars.
 
There was no team as dominant as the Melbourne Storm until then.

You won't see a second tier team like Titans, Warriors, Tigers, Panthers or Cowboys get a look into a premiership until the big 3 retire, unless they're coached by Hasler or Bennett.

Bulldogs or Storm or maybe Souths are the only ones capable of winning this year.

I give the Cowboys every chance of being there when the whips are cracking too. If Scott, Tamou, Thurston and Bowen stay fit and in form, they're a real contender.
 
i said that 5+ years ago on here and copped all the abuse you can possibly get lol.

i do lol at people saying that bennett is one of the only coaches who can take a team of nuffies and win a premiership. if anything, bennett is the 1 coach who CANT do that. his gameplan relies on having star players who can win a game by themselves. when he doesnt have those players, he cant win. the number of players that were the "next big thing" that came and went under bennett without so much as even being the "next-slightly-larger-than-usual thing" shows that hes not that fantastic in that area. he can take people that are obviously going to be superstars and get them to play like superstars, but he cant take someone whos shown hints of talent and turn them into superstars.
And neither can your mate Bellamy, his only success has been from having 3/4 best players in the game who in all likelihood he only managed to keep together through salary cap rorting and it's also something no other coach in the game has. Every other club has 1 one those superstars, Melbourne have 3 in the same team in key positions. Any coach could coach Melbourne to victory.

Everyone of the Melbourne players who looked great playing outside Cronk/Slater/Smith have looked like shit in new teams without said players.
 
But spwn they only looked bad cos Bellamy wasn't their coach anymore. Seriously you have NFI :001_tt2:
 
You can't say that for sure :001_tt2:
 
yeh whatever happened to that "greg inglis" guy? dropped off the face of the earth after he left melbourne...
 
Stars will be stars in any team they join. I'm speaking about the so-so's. I have no doubt Cronk, Smith or Slater would be stars in any team they join, the rest of the team, not so much with a few exceptions.
 
so which "so-so" players that bennett discovered and groomed have left and carried on? half the broncos teams over the years looked good with lockyer putting them into holes, dropping pinpoint kicks to them on the try line, etc. then when lockyers injured they struggle to beat the wooden spooners.

the broncos have been one of the biggest one man teams going around for 10+ years. melbourne have more players leave and achieve success than the broncos have since bellamy started coaching them.
 
Yes, but the result is the same, the Broncos ended up with a far, far better team than the Sharks, and about 16 of the other 20 teams that year.

Ari's point being coaching that 1998 Broncos team to a premiership isn't that big an achievement. It coached itself really. Despite the "big 3" I think the Storm's achievements in the last 2 years are actually greater than that 1998 team by comparison - in terms of coaching.

But I still think the Broncos' 2006 win is probably only eclipsed by Penrith in 2003 as an amazing win with a squad that didn't look premiership material until late in the year.

I diagree with the notion that anybody could have organised or coached that side in 98. I also hold similar reservations with the same comments directed at Bellamy.

Bennett made some big calls in 1996 that not a lot of coaches would have made and ultimately it paid off with 3 premierships in 4 years.

06 was a great year, Bennett made some ballsy decisions and they paid off. For mine, I really liked 2000 given it was effectively a rebuilding year on paper.
 
so which "so-so" players that bennett discovered and groomed have left and carried on? half the broncos teams over the years looked good with lockyer putting them into holes, dropping pinpoint kicks to them on the try line, etc. then when lockyers injured they struggle to beat the wooden spooners.

the broncos have been one of the biggest one man teams going around for 10+ years. melbourne have more players leave and achieve success than the broncos have since bellamy started coaching them.
Sailor, Tiquiri. Hunt, Boyd, Petero, Reece Robinson, Thorn, Tate, etc. All players that moved on and were successful elsewhere. Who has Bellamy groomed who moved on and have been successful elsewhere? Blair, Lowrie, Neil? We may be a one man team but Bellamy has 3 Lockyer quality players to make him look better than he is. The only time he's played with an inferior team is in origin and he was rubbish there.
 
Players who remained 'good' or improved after leaving Melbourne
Jeremy Smith
Brett White
Israel Folau
Greg Inglis
Jeff Lima
Aidan Tolman
Sika Manu
Nathan Friend
Steve Bell
Matt Orford
James Maloney


vs.

Players Who Didn't Improve or turned to crud
Scott Anderson
Antonio Kaufusi
Adam Blair
Steve Turner
Anthony Quinn
Rory Kostjasyn
David Kidwell
Kirk Reynoldson
Jake Webster
James Aubusson
Matt Cross
Todd Lowrie
Dane Nielsen

Players who achieved moderate success outside of Melbourne but not a lot to brag about
Dallas Johnson
Mitchell Sargent
Chris Walker
Ben Cross
Sam Tagataese
Joseph Tomane - Started well at the Titans before sucking. Is doing really well for himself in Rugby
Matt King
 
I think the "good" list is very generous. I would only pick Jeremy Smith, Aiden Tolman, Israel Folau, Nathan Friend and of course Greg Inglis as "good" players that went on to be as good or better at other clubs. But that is a question of perspective I guess, as I cringe at the idea of calling Orford "good"... Ever! :scared:
 
The only player I'd yield on is Brett White. He'd go into the middle pile.

The others though...

Matt Orford - Went onto become the Dally M player of the year
Jeff Lima - Was very good at Wigan and has already made a difference at Souths. Given his profile earlier, he's a true Bellamy success story.
Sika Manu - One of the few shining lights for the Panthers. An absolute weapon on the fringe.
Steve Bell - Became a very handy Origin player.
James Maloney - Lead the Warriors to a grand final.
 
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