What’s going wrong with us?

Nepal Donkeys said:
Did we?

I also don't think Melbourne are all that this year. If it wasn't for refs assistance they'd have home losses to Canterbury & Warriors on the books.
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For sure i agree there, however they were disciplined and clinical that game.
 
Dexter said:
I think we are missing an alpha in the group. Wayne IMO was the alpha. Seibold does not appear to be an alpha, at Souffs SBurgess was his alpha and on the same page as Seibold.
This group is young and needs someone to follow, someone who can demand a better performance and someone who they will listen to and want to play for even when confronted with an unpleasant truth about their form/effort.

I was all for the swap even though I am a massive fan of Wayne, it would give me great pleasure to see him win another premiership, but it had to happen at some point and there were very few options around. The club identified all of those options so we have to trust the process identified the right guy.
The forum was full of complaints all last year, it's easy to check, about our form and the same players we are bitching about this year.
I agree that Wayne probably would have extracted a bit more fight but there is no way he had this group heading toward a premiership with Boyd and Macca in the side and our deficiencies in the halves.
So, Waynes way was not the way forward. His roster/cap is unbalanced to say the least. If we are to win anything in the next 5 years Seibold has to sort this first and he has started sooner than we all thought.
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Every 'vet' the club signed long term, seemingly with the view to aid the rookies coming through, is playing like shit. Boyd and Gillett are shadows of their former selves and Macca is Macca. In hindsight not signing Gillett or giving him a one year deal to see how he came back from his year long injury lay off probably would have been more appropriate. Not re-signing a 30 year old FB, a position that requires extreme athleticism which players can lose fast as they age, who has never been an out and out superstar in his position for four years would have been intelligent business also. I would prefer McGuire at the club as the forward leader over Gillett and Glenn, both of which can easily be replaced with Su'a and Fifita right now for a net positive.

TL;DR: Unless Gillett and Boyd decide to retire early for the good of the club we're so fucked roster wise for the next three years it's not even funny.

EDIT: I maintain that the NRL will use our down period as the perfect excuse to bring in a second Brisbane club to try and bait plastic fans away from the Broncos. The fact that our attendance and TV viewership will go down big time will only help them make that decision. If that happens and Brisbane 2 gets AFL style cap incentives we could very well become the new Parra. We have idiots in this city who support a Melbourne and Townsville side because they're, or were in the Cows' case, successful despite having no connection to the city or region, just imagine if a second Brisbane side came in and were allowed to assemble an NRL sanctioned '07 Storm squad.
 
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I think it's beginning to be fairly clear what is wrong with us.

The core of the club is fairly rotten. It has been slowly going that way under White. Everything is done to a below-excellence standard. Second-rate has become accepted. And none of it is a problem, because at the end of the day BBL EBITDA still goes up, the shareholders are happy enough, and there's no off-field financial shambles that causes a real shake up.

For example - we have the best facility in the game, bar perhaps Penrith. Yet last year the team started with a serious issue of not being fit enough. That is piss poor for a professional sporting organisation. Paul Kent, who is quite obviously getting leaks out of Seibold, is now claiming constantly that the players weren't fit enough for Seibold to train them properly in the pre-season. Either this is horse shit or its true: both are bad enough outcomes.

The Broncos membership operation is run to a standard below other clubs. Ditto for social media.

Since Darren Lockyer retired, we have had one successful season, which itself didn't even result in a premiership. The ghost of that season still lingers over the club - there are far too many scars.

Some players are very happy to be Broncos and don't mind just collecting a cheque. It seems somewhat a mentality that once you make first grade you have made it, not a desire to move onto becoming legends that have won titles.

As good as some players have been for us, none of the current Broncos hold a candle to the teams of the 90s. The talent might be there, but there isn't the hunger to go one better. There needs to be a clean out and show some people that nobody is safe based on reputation. I think Seibold is beginning to do that, and you see some kickback against it. Hopefully it shakes a few comfortable people up.

On the topic of Seibold, I think it is becoming fairly apparent that we have hired a dud and are locked into a five year contract thanks to the aforementioned White. Since Round 21 last year, his coaching record is 4-11. If you are even a slightly above average coach you can do significantly better than that. He craps on about game models and consistency, but the only difference he has made this year is to weaken both our attack and defence.
 
Nepal Donkeys said:
I think it's beginning to be fairly clear what is wrong with us.

The core of the club is fairly rotten. It has been slowly going that way under White. Everything is done to a below-excellence standard. Second-rate has become accepted. And none of it is a problem, because at the end of the day BBL EBITDA still goes up, the shareholders are happy enough, and there's no off-field financial shambles that causes a real shake up.

For example - we have the best facility in the game, bar perhaps Penrith. Yet last year the team started with a serious issue of not being fit enough. That is piss poor for a professional sporting organisation. Paul Kent, who is quite obviously getting leaks out of Seibold, is now claiming constantly that the players weren't fit enough for Seibold to train them properly in the pre-season. Either this is horse shit or its true: both are bad enough outcomes.

The Broncos membership operation is run to a standard below other clubs. Ditto for social media.

Since Darren Lockyer retired, we have had one successful season, which itself didn't even result in a premiership. The ghost of that season still lingers over the club - there are far too many scars.

Some players are very happy to be Broncos and don't mind just collecting a cheque. It seems somewhat a mentality that once you make first grade you have made it, not a desire to move onto becoming legends that have won titles.

As good as some players have been for us, none of the current Broncos hold a candle to the teams of the 90s. The talent might be there, but there isn't the hunger to go one better. There needs to be a clean out and show some people that nobody is safe based on reputation. I think Seibold is beginning to do that, and you see some kickback against it. Hopefully it shakes a few comfortable people up.

On the topic of Seibold, I think it is becoming fairly apparent that we have hired a dud and are locked into a five year contract thanks to the aforementioned White. Since Round 21 last year, his coaching record is 4-11. If you are even a slightly above average coach you can do significantly better than that. He craps on about game models and consistency, but the only difference he has made this year is to weaken both our attack and defence.
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The only thing that is apparent is the number of people on this forum that off their rockers, thinking they can judge a new coach after 8 weeks

Yes, we are playing poorly and the standard simply isn't good enough

But sometimes successful change takes time

It may not be popular but it doesn't change the facts

Maybe AS is a dud, but we won't know for some time yet
 
The Strapper said:
I get where you are coming from but there is no way you could sell this to Seibold. He is a data driven person who wants to have computers and all sorts of people/equipment around him to compile and crunch all sorts of numbers/statistics.
Funnily enough I think Bennett would actually adapt better than Seibold to that sort of no frills set up.
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I remember in the 90s, they had just refurbished Red Hill, and the broncos were going pretty ordinary, Bennet said to them domething like "if you play like park footballers, then you don't deserve superstar facilities", and had them outside running. I think it was around the time they had $1500 for a win and 50 for a loss.
The thing was they were winning, but winning "dirty" if you know what I mean, with plenty of mistakes.
Right now, this side isn't winning and in situations like these, when morale is low, he'd usually get something that bonded the team happening. I think they need to start working for each other, and that starts with knowing each other and communicating. I'd schedule a team night out (only the team, doing something they need to work together with but completely unrelated to football: mayybesailing, or rockclimbing, or orienteering. It just needs to be fun, physical, but most importantly makes them talk and work together.
Having players dwell on their errors won't help right now, nor an extra drill session. Build some team cohesion, implement a simple but effective game plan, and drive the basics for now. Later, you can bring in more complex plays, but only when the team is effective using simple ones.
These things should have happened in the preseason (maybe they did) but for whatever reason there is a lack of "togetherness" in the way they play, particularly in defence.
 
WB would be making sure every critical article from the likes of Thurston, Slater and Tallis, which points out the lack of team play, and especially the personal barbs at TPJ are where everyone can see them.
 
Dexter said:
WB would be making sure every critical article from the likes of Thurston, Slater and Tallis, which points out the lack of team play, and especially the personal barbs at TPJ are where everyone can see them.
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Bennet was great at deflecting pressure from his players. At least Siebold doesn't have to worry about the Courier Mail, but the longer this losing streak goes, the worse it will get for him and the players. Right now bennet would be making a statement about holding in the tackles, penalty counts etc. Notice at the moment he is doing none of that? That's because Souths are running like clockwork and there isn't any need.
 
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Thelmus said:
I remember in the 90s, they had just refurbished Red Hill, and the broncos were going pretty ordinary, Bennet said to them domething like "if you play like park footballers, then you don't deserve superstar facilities", and had them outside running. I think it was around the time they had $1500 for a win and 50 for a loss.
The thing was they were winning, but winning "dirty" if you know what I mean, with plenty of mistakes.
Right now, this side isn't winning and in situations like these, when morale is low, he'd usually get something that bonded the team happening. I think they need to start working for each other, and that starts with knowing each other and communicating. I'd schedule a team night out (only the team, doing something they need to work together with but completely unrelated to football: mayybesailing, or rockclimbing, or orienteering. It just needs to be fun, physical, but most importantly makes them talk and work together.
Having players dwell on their errors won't help right now, nor an extra drill session. Build some team cohesion, implement a simple but effective game plan, and drive the basics for now. Later, you can bring in more complex plays, but only when the team is effective using simple ones.
These things should have happened in the preseason (maybe they did) but for whatever reason there is a lack of "togetherness" in the way they play, particularly in defence.
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Hmmm, I think I would give rock-climbing a miss. I can envisage Oates and Isaako letting the rope slip and falling, Jimmy sticking his arm out to try and stop them and fracturing his shoulder and Boyd making a late attempt to get there to catch them, slipping over and having them land on him. All to the sounds of Benny Hill.
 
Wolfie said:
I've probably done this before, lol, but this is my team i'd go with, with the players we currently have.

1 Bird
2 Oates
3 Roberts ( Boyd if we let Jimmy leave )
4 Staggs
5 Boyd ( Issako if we have to move Boyd )
6 Milf ( and stop him playing as the dominant half!! )
7 Dearden ( mainly because i think he is the one they are pinning their hopes on, let him develop )
8 Lodge
9 Macca
10 Haas
11 Fifita (on the right )
12 Gillo
13 Carrigan

14 Sua
15 TPJ
16 Flegler
17 Joffa.

That team to me makes best use of our squad, and the bench has genuine impact.
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Who’s going to be your goal kicker if Issako is out of team???
 
Wild Horse said:
Omg lol. I no shit was laughing out loud at this post for about 3 minutes after reading Huge's "Harden The **** Up" post.

Bloody Broncos and their cushy facilities and training habits lol :)
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If they moved the training back to ruins of Bardon you’d have a few tears I reckon.
 
lynx000 said:
Hmmm, I think I would give rock-climbing a miss. I can envisage Oates and Isaako letting the rope slip and falling, Jimmy sticking his arm out to try and stop them and fracturing his shoulder and Boyd making a late attempt to get there to catch them, slipping over and having them land on him. All to the sounds of Benny Hill.
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Yeah, you may be right. Ice-skating with Maranta? :P
 
Every win this season, there has been an unnecessary field goal from Milford.
There is no need to take penalty goals when we up by 20. Don't they know how to count? The more points we win by the higher we climb on the ladder. 2nd halves against the Sharks and Cowboys were so frustrating.
We have the strike power, FFS keep scoring tries till the 80th min mark.

Miss the days when Langer and Walters use to make Buck the bronco tire out after lapping the field after every try scored at Lang Park.
 
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