What is happening at the Broncos?

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

I'd hate to see you watching a game if you already get so angry over an Internet forum. How many TVs have you smashed?

I'm pretty sure I've made up my mind that broncos since 2nd half of 2016 to now have sucked overall regardless of where we finished. It's the way they play game after game nothing changes or improves. How many top 4 or even 6 teams have we beaten recently?

Probably not as many TVs as you have smashed judging by your tantrum you've had since a round 1 loss. We could lose the next 3 or 4 and still not merit the reaction you have given.

So it's gone from a couple of seasons to half a season. You mean the half a season when Boyd, mccullough and Milford all spent time out injured? Is that the half a season you're talking about? The half a season when we won 7/12 games despite the spine not playing together for more then 1 or games? Have some perspective.

You have obviously grew up on the brisbane golden era and expect it to carry on for the rest of your lifetime. There is a reason we were the last team (twice) to win back to back premierships. Our side was remarkable, it won't happen again winning that many premierships. The reason we haven't won for 12 years is due to Bruno Cullen having your way of thinking and thinking a premiership every 5-6 years wasn't enough and bennett had lost it (sound familiar?). It has nothing to do with half a season of a couple of tough seasons we are currently having. The last 3 years have been great, considering we won't have a team like we did in the 90's again we have stayed near the top of the ladder and teams worry about us a little again despite what the media says. Yes we haven't won a premiership but if you look at the last "couple of seasons" we have returned to being a top 4 team consistently that we lost for 6 years with griffin and henjak. We are doing everything right, the salary cap means smart teams don't get into bidding wars for unproven players-simple. It's a risk that a couple of them might turn in to superstars, but a lot more haven't. To win a premiership EVERYTHING has to click with a bit of luck. We are doing everything else right, we just need a golden run of form mixed with a few bounces of the ball in one of those 3 seasons (1 in particular) and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I seriously suggest you do a meditation exercise after our next loss rather then watch/listen/read the media... close your eyes and take a deep breath, then imagine supporting the panthers. You could also use:
Eels, warriors, titans, cowboys (1 premiership after nearly 25 years), dragons.... ect ect ect

 

[Number6]

Thanks for the old footage. I even spotted Peter wallace in a broncos jersey. My original point was that our current squad has no potential immortals, no top tier elite anymore. not about who's popular and gets the most cheers. Sam Thaiday is a loveable larrikin but definitely not an elite player anymore. Key word there is "anymore". All those players you showed were awesome 2 years ago but at present they are not playing at the same level.

Make a good point. I can’t think of anyone in the current squad I would have in my all time best broncos team. Gillo would be best bet but as awesome as he is where has his offload gone? And he damaging wide runs? It’s feels like a few of our players their attack has been coached out of them to be tackling bags.

Which also goes to attitude. I’d be unhappy at my job if I wasn’t allowed to use my talents to just tick the next box and it would show in my performance.

As for salary cap comments. Melbourne let go Inglis when no choice but kept the critical part of the spine. They let Cronk go only for personal reasons and when he is likely past his prime and while they have an awesome succession plan of a very promising young half in Croft, Munster taking on his role well, Smith staying to guide the team around and Riley Jacks is a fantastic plan B half. Keeping Cronk may not have been the best option anyway as wouldn’t want Cronk, Slater and Smith to go at the same time and frees up huge chunk of cash to retain their next hooker and half.

Eels let Gallen go. Guy is team cancer don’t you mean they cut him out....

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Make a good point. I can’t think of anyone in the current squad I would have in my all time best broncos team. Gillo would be best bet but as awesome as he is where has his offload gone? And he damaging wide runs? It’s feels like a few of our players their attack has been coached out of them to be tackling bags.

Which also goes to attitude. I’d be unhappy at my job if I wasn’t allowed to use my talents to just tick the next box and it would show in my performance.

As for salary cap comments. Melbourne let go Inglis when no choice but kept the critical part of the spine. They let Cronk go only for personal reasons and when he is likely past his prime and while they have an awesome succession plan of a very promising young half in Croft, Munster taking on his role well, Smith staying to guide the team around and Riley Jacks is a fantastic plan B half. Keeping Cronk may not have been the best option anyway as wouldn’t want Cronk, Slater and Smith to go at the same time and frees up huge chunk of cash to retain their next hooker and half.

Eels let Gallen go. Guy is team cancer don’t you mean they cut him out....

Are you seriously using the storm as an example of how to handle the salary cap? There is a reason why they have been able to have an "awesome succession plan", do I even have to say it?

That period of cheating the salary cap for milllions upon millions of dollars allowed them to keep that squad together and see them grow. By the time they got busted they could make an informed decision with years of sustained success behind them, not look in to a crystal ball with great vision and judgement. They have reaped the benefits of that period by being able to build a partnership in the spine unseen since landger and Walters or the johns brothers.

And their succession plan isn't as great as its being portrayed by people. Number 1: we haven't seen it and won't till smith retires. 2: Hughes, Munster, croft, b smith.... there is talent in there but it isn't any better then our spine atm and doesn't strike fear into the opposition. It's no coincidence there are whispers of bellamy retiring with smith, I would too!

 

[winslow_wong]

Probably not as many TVs as you have smashed judging by your tantrum you've had since a round 1 loss. We could lose the next 3 or 4 and still not merit the reaction you have given.

So it's gone from a couple of seasons to half a season. You mean the half a season when Boyd, mccullough and Milford all spent time out injured? Is that the half a season you're talking about? The half a season when we won 7/12 games despite the spine not playing together for more then 1 or games? Have some perspective.

You have obviously grew up on the brisbane golden era and expect it to carry on for the rest of your lifetime. There is a reason we were the last team (twice) to win back to back premierships. Our side was remarkable, it won't happen again winning that many premierships. The reason we haven't won for 12 years is due to Bruno Cullen having your way of thinking and thinking a premiership every 5-6 years wasn't enough and bennett had lost it (sound familiar?). It has nothing to do with half a season of a couple of tough seasons we are currently having. The last 3 years have been great, considering we won't have a team like we did in the 90's again we have stayed near the top of the ladder and teams worry about us a little again despite what the media says. Yes we haven't won a premiership but if you look at the last "couple of seasons" we have returned to being a top 4 team consistently that we lost for 6 years with griffin and henjak. We are doing everything right, the salary cap means smart teams don't get into bidding wars for unproven players-simple. It's a risk that a couple of them might turn in to superstars, but a lot more haven't. To win a premiership EVERYTHING has to click with a bit of luck. We are doing everything else right, we just need a golden run of form mixed with a few bounces of the ball in one of those 3 seasons (1 in particular) and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I seriously suggest you do a meditation exercise after our next loss rather then watch/listen/read the media... close your eyes and take a deep breath, then imagine supporting the panthers. You could also use:
Eels, warriors, titans, cowboys (1 premiership after nearly 25 years), dragons.... ect ect ect

Your math is wrong. Half of 2016 to now is 1 and a half seasons. I'm hardly having a tantrum, I'm just calling it the way I see it and have been for a while. This squad is struggling. But that comes back to my original point that we have no top tier elite leading the way anymore. Yes it's only been one game in 2018 but the way the attitude and Team dynamics have been so up and down has been more like 10 games or more. But I'm sorry for being so selfish and having an opinion on a forum. Please forgive me

 

[WASSHHH]

I see gillet more as a defensive player nowadays. And even then a lot of times his defence has been average in recent years, perhaps due to an injury but he is solid at best. He won't dominate a game

I can see where you’re coming from here.
Wind back a few years and Gillett was running amazing lines, breaking tackles and just a handful in general. At the same time, his defence was his weakness. Certainly over the last couple of seasons, his defence has improved out of sight but his attack certainly seems to have stagnated - he’s certainly no Cordner in that regard.

And to be fair, Boyd isn’t an X-factor player, really never has been. Words that spring to mind are; solid, dependable, safe, reliable. But not x-factor.

He is never going to tear a game wide open all on his own like a Lockyer, Thurston, Inglis. Particularly when he won’t run the f***ing ball!!!!

 

[winslow_wong]

In 2015, we beat all of them (Roosters, Cowboys, Storm, Bulldogs, Sharks. Two of them twice (Roosters, Cowboys).

In 2016, we beat 3 of them (Storm, Raiders, Cowboys).

In 2017, we beat 3 of them (Roosters, Sharks, Sea Eagles).

That's not bad for a team that sucks.

What we have is a very good squad. One of the best in the league across the park. Our biggest problem has been our attitude. If we fix that and we find that ruthlessness that we had in 2015, we'll be a force to be reckoned with. That's the only thing holding us back.

The fact that we can still beat top 4 teams says quite a bit.

We definitely can beat them but you've nailed it. It's the attitude that's been hanging around for a while now and seems like a bad habit. Are they capable of changing things is something that remains to be seen. Mental game is a lot harder to adjust than the physical game.

 

[Nashy]

In 2015, we beat all of them (Roosters, Cowboys, Storm, Bulldogs, Sharks. Two of them twice (Roosters, Cowboys).

In 2016, we beat 3 of them (Storm, Raiders, Cowboys).

In 2017, we beat 3 of them (Roosters, Sharks, Sea Eagles).

That's not bad for a team that sucks.

What we have is a very good squad. One of the best in the league across the park. Our biggest problem has been our attitude. If we fix that and we find that ruthlessness that we had in 2015, we'll be a force to be reckoned with. That's the only thing holding us back.

The fact that we can still beat top 4 teams says quite a bit.

Honestly. The only people who say we have a good squad are Broncos fans, or those who have never watched a game of league in their life. We really don't have a good team, no one is overly consistent, no one is man enough to take the charge and show the rest the effort involved, and unless we are a few yards from the try line, we play with no direction, and almost to the point of no care.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Your math is wrong. Half of 2016 to now is 1 and a half seasons. I'm hardly having a tantrum, I'm just calling it the way I see it and have been for a while. This squad is struggling. But that comes back to my original point that we have no top tier elite leading the way anymore. Yes it's only been one game in 2018 but the way the attitude and Team dynamics have been so up and down has been more like 10 games or more. But I'm sorry for being so selfish and having an opinion on a forum. Please forgive me

You're forgiven...

 

[Unbreakable]

Honestly. The only people who say we have a good squad are Broncos fans, or those who have never watched a game of league in their life. We really don't have a good team, no one is overly consistent, no one is man enough to take the charge and show the rest the effort involved, and unless we are a few yards from the try line, we play with no direction, and almost to the point of no care.

I think it's somewhere in between what SF said and what you said, we're not a great squad but we're definitely not a bad squad. Let's compare our 1-13 with the Knights, who everyone is ready to give a dutch rudder to for their remarkable recruitment.

Boyd vs Ponga - Boyd
Oates vs Kenny-Dowall - Oates
Roberts vs Mata'utia - Roberts
Bird vs Moga - Bird
Kahu vs Ross - Kahu
Milford vs Watson - Milford
Nikorima vs Pearce - Pearce
Lodge vs Ese'ese - 50/50
McCullough vs Griffin - McCullough
Pangai Jr vs Lillyman - Pangai Jr
Glenn vs Fitzgibbon - Fitzgibbon
Gillett vs Guerra - Gillett
McGuire vs Barnett - McGuire

We're virtually better across the park, the only one you could try and talk me out of is Kahu vs Ross, but I'm quite content with Kahu on the wing because he kicks goals @ 80% and rarely makes an error. Boyd & Milford are still clearly better overall players than their counterparts, despite their recent form. We've definitely got a good squad, just need a Halfback.

 

[007]

Honestly. The only people who say we have a good squad are Broncos fans, or those who have never watched a game of league in their life. We really don't have a good team, no one is overly consistent, no one is man enough to take the charge and show the rest the effort involved, and unless we are a few yards from the try line, we play with no direction, and almost to the point of no care.

I think you are blurring the lines between current performance vs ability when firing.

 

[Nashy]

I think you are blurring the lines between current performance vs ability when firing.

Very likely. I still haven't seen a Broncos halfback in him yet though.

 

[007]

Very likely. I still haven't seen a Broncos halfback in him yet though.

Completely agree on halfback, if you are referring to not having a decent one.

 

[Foordy]

Honestly. The only people who say we have a good squad are Broncos fans, or those who have never watched a game of league in their life.

and why wouldn't we ... we might as well counter balance the non-Broncos fans / Sydney media who would still try to claim that we would miss the finals even if we had the entire QLD State of Origin squad

 

[broncsgoat]

I think it's somewhere in between what SF said and what you said, we're not a great squad but we're definitely not a bad squad. Let's compare our 1-13 with the Knights, who everyone is ready to give a dutch rudder to for their remarkable recruitment.

Boyd vs Ponga - Boyd
Oates vs Kenny-Dowall - Oates
Roberts vs Mata'utia - Roberts
Bird vs Moga - Bird
Kahu vs Ross - Kahu
Milford vs Watson - Milford
Nikorima vs Pearce - Pearce
Lodge vs Ese'ese - 50/50
McCullough vs Griffin - McCullough
Pangai Jr vs Lillyman - Pangai Jr
Glenn vs Fitzgibbon - Fitzgibbon
Gillett vs Guerra - Gillett
McGuire vs Barnett - McGuire

We're virtually better across the park, the only one you could try and talk me out of is Kahu vs Ross, but I'm quite content with Kahu on the wing because he kicks goals @ 80% and rarely makes an error. Boyd & Milford are still clearly better overall players than their counterparts, despite their recent form. We've definitely got a good squad, just need a Halfback.

I’d trade Ponga for Boyd in a heart beat

 

[theshed]

I think it's somewhere in between what SF said and what you said, we're not a great squad but we're definitely not a bad squad. Let's compare our 1-13 with the Knights, who everyone is ready to give a dutch rudder to for their remarkable recruitment.

Boyd vs Ponga - Boyd
Oates vs Kenny-Dowall - Oates
Roberts vs Mata'utia - Roberts
Bird vs Moga - Bird
Kahu vs Ross - Kahu
Milford vs Watson - Milford
Nikorima vs Pearce - Pearce
Lodge vs Ese'ese - 50/50
McCullough vs Griffin - McCullough
Pangai Jr vs Lillyman - Pangai Jr
Glenn vs Fitzgibbon - Fitzgibbon
Gillett vs Guerra - Gillett
McGuire vs Barnett - McGuire

We're virtually better across the park, the only one you could try and talk me out of is Kahu vs Ross, but I'm quite content with Kahu on the wing because he kicks goals @ 80% and rarely makes an error. Boyd & Milford are still clearly better overall players than their counterparts, despite their recent form. We've definitely got a good squad, just need a Halfback.

Completely agree with what you’re saying but personally I would trade kniko and Boyd for Pearce and Ponga in a heart beat.

 

[Renegade]

I’d trade Ponga for Boyd in a heart beat

TBH, while I wouldn't trade because the former has way more upside, TPJ isnt better than Lillyman yet, and Lillyman brings a real hardnosed edge to the Knights pack where I think most of us agree that we lack atm.

 

[theshed]

I’d trade Ponga for Boyd in a heart beat

lol, I didn’t even read your post and said almost exactly the same thing word for word.

 

[Unbreakable]

I’d trade Ponga for Boyd in a heart beat

.. I'm talking about right now, not a hypothetical scenario down the track where Ponga might end up a better player than Boyd. Right now Boyd is better, he was the best Fullback in the game 12-18 months ago, the incumbent Queensland & Australia Fullback. Ponga has played 10 games of NRL.

Recency bias gets out of hand on here sometimes.