What is happening at the Broncos?

[Jedhead]

I ask you all this question?

Should we have resigned Benji for another year? Our attack would have been better and our organisation in attack probably would of improved!!!

No. Benji was a good stop gap filler to pass on some knowledge to our younger halves, but he never really suited the Broncos style of play. His defence was also a liability. He fits the Tigers but when it comes to the business end of the season he just won't have the gas.

 

[pagey]

I’ve always thought it smart not to give my most dangerous outside back not enough quality ball for 2.5 years. Or make my million dollar support running livewire the job of an organising half and watch him flounder for a few seasons...

There is easing a guy into structures for a month or two and then there is refusing to adapt structures to the skills of your players...

Yeah and you know better than one of the greatest ever coachs . You can coach the shir iut if that keyboard but i have my doubts about a real football team.

 

[Number6]

Yeah and you know better than one of the greatest ever coachs . You can coach the shir iut if that keyboard but i have my doubts about a real football team.

Well stated argument based in logic and facts. All hail Lord Wayne. Can we please shut down the forum or at least rename it [emoji207] people! Bennett has a lot of good points that have meant he endured where many others failed but was never a great tactical attacking coach.

 

[pagey]

Well stated argument based in logic and facts. All hail Lord Wayne. Can we please shut down the forum or at least rename it [emoji207] people! Bennett has a lot of good points that have meant he endured where many others failed but was never a great tactical attacking coach.

The logic is 7 premierships and that's fact !

 

[rnabokov]

The logic is 7 premierships and that's fact !

Great rosters helped. Sorry, I get sick and tired of hearing about Bennett's premiership record given the players he had to work with back then.

This year is a real test of his coaching skills, minus Lockyer, Hodges, Walters, Langer, Webcke, Renouf etc etc.

Not saying he's not a great coach, but I am still waiting to see structures and game plans other than give the to Milf and hope, give the ball to .... whoever and hope for some off the cuff brilliance.

Maybe I am missing the game plans and the structures, the planned, worked plays which release game breakers like Roberts into space regularly. Maybe next week ...

 

[Mr Fourex]

I ask you all this question?

Should we have resigned Benji for another year? Our attack would have been better and our organisation in attack probably would of improved!!!

Yes.

 

[pagey]

Great rosters helped. Sorry, I get sick and tired of hearing about Bennett's premiership record given the players he had to work with back then.

This year is a real test of his coaching skills, minus Lockyer, Hodges, Walters, Langer, Webcke, Renouf etc etc.

Not saying he's not a great coach, but I am still waiting to see structures and game plans other than give the to Milf and hope, give the ball to .... whoever and hope for some off the cuff brilliance.

Maybe I am missing the game plans and the structures, the planned, worked plays which release game breakers like Roberts into space regularly. Maybe next week ...

I know what you're saying but he put those rosters together. Same can be said about bellamy with his team's, good coachs and good teams usually go hand in hand.
I agree about roberts but he is so heavily marked you can't just run plays for him and expect results all the time. I think he needs to roam a bit more .

 

[Alec]

Marshall didn't suit our attack because he tried to bring structure to the most ad hoc side in the NRL last year. The thing is that unless we are willing to change a little bit, there is no point to bringing in any organising halfback at all - none will fit in.

We do seem a little more structured this year, Milf has definitely learned a little bit. Not a big amount though.

 

[Number6]

I know what you're saying but he put those rosters together. Same can be said about bellamy with his team's, good coachs and good teams usually go hand in hand.
I agree about roberts but he is so heavily marked you can't just run plays for him and expect results all the time. I think he needs to roam a bit more .

Bennett had most of QLD talent to his own essentially and that didn’t really come to an end until mid 90s then flow on didn’t hit too hard till early 2000s. He had the cash, the players and the professional organisation.

Bennett’s strength has always been man management. When u have a roster of superstars don’t need to do much more than keep the loyal, motivated and do some team building. These things require great skill which Bennett.

I agree with a previous poster only question is why didn’t win more premierships in early to mid 90s and early 2000s.

Re Roberts agree can’t just throw the ball to Roberts so why not get him to roam back 5 or 10 of each half or make some plays to put him one on one with his opposite more. Then when they follow him then use him as a decoy. I obviously am not qualified to be an NRL coach but surely a team should have more than one backline move (the Boyd sweep).

 

[Huge]

Great rosters helped. Sorry, I get sick and tired of hearing about Bennett's premiership record given the players he had to work with back then.

This year is a real test of his coaching skills, minus Lockyer, Hodges, Walters, Langer, Webcke, Renouf etc etc.

Not saying he's not a great coach, but I am still waiting to see structures and game plans other than give the to Milf and hope, give the ball to .... whoever and hope for some off the cuff brilliance.

Maybe I am missing the game plans and the structures, the planned, worked plays which release game breakers like Roberts into space regularly. Maybe next week ...

So, St George's roster was stellar ? Anyone could have gotten them to the minor premiership and then backed it up with another great year, this time winning a grand final with the team of superstars that St George had ?

 

[broncos4life]

So, St George's roster was stellar ? Anyone could have gotten them to the grand final and then backed it up with another, this time a winning grand final with the team of superstars that St George had ?

Wait, are you telling Ben Hornby wasn’t one of the greatest halfbacks to play the game? Well, now I have heard it all!

 

[The True King]

Our pack is the best in the comp, and most of it is comprised of jrs with little to no experience. Look at the way Souths are rolling the Knights pack right now, our boys dominated them last week.

It's not all doom and gloom.

What?

Neither Souths nor the Knights have the best packs in the comp - or even close to it. I'm unsure how comparing us "dominating" Souths (without Burgess mind you) has anything to do with your claim, didn't we lose to the Knights a few weeks back?

I would actually argue our pack has struggled against the better packs in the competition (the Storm and Dragons games come to mind). We are yet to play the Roosters or Sharks who have historically dominated our forwards.

Claiming we have the "best pack in the comp" is seriously delusional.

 

[Number6]

So, St George's roster was stellar ? Anyone could have gotten them to the minor premiership and then backed it up with another great year, this time winning a grand final with the team of superstars that St George had ?

He did well with St George and even initially with Newcastle cause he is a very good man manager. He created belief in the setting of his aura as super coach. Got Soward playing out of his skin.

But let’s put it in perspective 1 premiership in 12 years or 2 in 18. Good not great.

 

[Wolfie]

Watching the replay now... he was limping.

The other thing I have noticed in the replay is defensively and in the effort areas bird is doing well. He was the only one chasing back on 2/3 of the tries and was the first chaser on most kicks (along with TPJ). He just doesn't get involved enough in attack at the moment. Reminds me a lot of Roberts 2 years ago.

Call me crazy but I think he will have a break out game soon but it will take a long time for consistent performances week after week.
One thing with Bennett is he doesn't give a shit if a million dollar player looks like a reserve grader when he starts at the broncos, or that the fans and media want him sacked. He wants that player to play a tiny role and build up in the small areas to fit in with the team before he does all the fancy stuff or becomes a lead man in the team.

Milford and Roberts are recent examples of this. Frustrating for us fans but will hopefully pay off

As much as the conspiracy theories are entertaining, Bird was absolutely injured. He limped off, and he was obviously in discomfort from what i saw when he sat down. Like i mentioned in another thread, he was one of a few players who went into the game under an injury cloud. Just another stick to beat Bennett with for some

 

[rnabokov]

Watching the replay now... he was limping.

The other thing I have noticed in the replay is defensively and in the effort areas bird is doing well. He was the only one chasing back on 2/3 of the tries and was the first chaser on most kicks (along with TPJ). He just doesn't get involved enough in attack at the moment. Reminds me a lot of Roberts 2 years ago.

Call me crazy but I think he will have a break out game soon but it will take a long time for consistent performances week after week.
One thing with Bennett is he doesn't give a shit if a million dollar player looks like a reserve grader when he starts at the broncos, or that the fans and media want him sacked. He wants that player to play a tiny role and build up in the small areas to fit in with the team before he does all the fancy stuff or becomes a lead man in the team.

Milford and Roberts are recent examples of this. Frustrating for us fans but will hopefully pay off

Well, with Glenn's try, there was also that effort from Bird to move from one side of the ruck to position himself on the same side as Milford, outside Glenn, which helped distract the defence. It was a good move, one that a few sides use regularly, with one of their halves moving across to the same side as the other, making an extra man, while the ball is being passed out wide.

It showed something creative is possible whether it was Bird, or a set play. Pity it was Bird's only creative move of the night.

This is one key area where our attacking coaching needs to focus, on our halves working together, getting combinations happening.

 

[Alec]

He did well with St George and even initially with Newcastle cause he is a very good man manager. He created belief in the setting of his aura as super coach. Got Soward playing out of his skin.

But let’s put it in perspective 1 premiership in 12 years or 2 in 18. Good not great.

Our pack isn't the best, too many young players, but it has heaps of potential once guys like Ofa, TPJ, Lodge (if we keep him), Su'a etc hit mid 20s in 2 or 3 years.

 

[Wolfie]

Well, with Glenn's try, there was also that effort from Bird to move from one side of the ruck to position himself on the same side as Milford, outside Glenn, which helped distract the defence. It was a good move, one that a few sides use regularly, with one of their halves moving across to the same side as the other, making an extra man, while the ball is being passed out wide.

It showed something creative is possible whether it was Bird, or a set play. Pity it was Bird's only creative move of the night.

This is one key area where our attacking coaching needs to focus, on our halves working together, getting combinations happening.

Regardless of how well TPJ is playing at lock, i think its time to move Bird there now. TPJ will play exactly the same at prop as he does at lock. I feel Bird will improve by playing lock.

 

[Porthoz]

So, St George's roster was stellar ? Anyone could have gotten them to the minor premiership and then backed it up with another great year, this time winning a grand final with the team of superstars that St George had ?

St George had the perfect roster for WB's conservative game plan. We don't even come close to that. We don't have an organiser like Hornby, a kicker like Soward, or the defensive steel to bash and grind the opposition into submission like the Dragons had.

They were superior by ensuring the opposition scored less points than them. Other than that, no Bennett team has been consistently superior or a benchmark in the NRL in this millennium. The problem is he doesn't seem to be capable (or willing to) change the plan to suit the players he does have.

Do you think we can pull a Dragons with our roster?