"Overcoached statistical rubbish" - Ennis

[Porthoz]

The knik offload was seriously at the worst time, he could have waited till after we play the warriors. I always thought it would go like this, as in a total rebuild of the team. That's why I wanted Wayne for at least one more year, people can't seriously think we would be in this situation with Bennett coaching.
I have said I would give seibold till round 10 to comment on his coaching, so I will hold judgment but there's some serious cracks appearing imo

What makes you think it wouldn't be a rinse and repeat of the last 3 years where we are moderately competitive during the normal season and bomb out unceremoniously as soon as the finals come, because we don't have that necessary next level...?

Rebuilding? Maybe bloooding a few forwards like Seibs did, but that pretty much would be it. WB has left us with the terrible spine he chose on overs and for long terms too. He was never going to touch it voluntarily!

The cracks are appearing for many reasons, and while Seibold has things he needs to improve such as his bench usage, I wouldn't want to be in his place currently with such a young squad, the worst Fullback and captain in the competition, and one of the worst spine combinations too. Not to speak of all the noise being orchestrated from the outside to ensure he fails, like this article from Ennis which reeks of water carrying favour...

I'm used to go through the pain for the long term gain at my European footy club, so I probably have more patience than most Broncos fans.
Hopefully the board and White continue on the rightfully chosen path of dismissing what was clearly not working, and provide the support to the coach he is getting from nowhere else, so he has the chance to prove them right.
I hope Seibold is the right choice, but even if he isn't, I have ZERO doubt letting Wayne go was the best decision the club could take!

 

[Kimlo]

If Seibold was doing nothing I'd want him sacked end of the year.

But he's given Niko the arse, Roberts, dumping Isaako, and likely Boyd and Macca. If he does that he's clearly got a vision and I would want him to at least have next year to see what he does with recruitment and a bit more time to get a playing group suitable to his coaching style.

I have a lot of respect for Bennett and I have no doubt we'd be better this year with him but we've got a lot of low IQ footy players and only a cleanout of the roster can reshape this team to be top tier. Bennett can coach any team to success but he was retiring in 2 or 3 years at most so we may as well have got on with it and rebuilt this team with a playing group that isn't dumb as ****.

 

[rnabokov]

Everyone hates the Broncos and yet now suddenly everyone is so concerned that we are performing less than ideally.

My god the media is such a bunch of hypocritical, lobotomised shits.

 

[broncos4life]

That's fine if you're glad Bennett got booted , but you have to except what is happening now and stand by it. I think we could have waited and thought about the process, but instead it seems we lost our man and had a knee jerk reaction and picked a rookie that was looking the goods at that point in time.
Bennett admitted that there was issues with the team last year and I'm sure subtle changes would have happened , but with what's happening I don't see it getting any better for a while.
I'm willing to show some patience but it seems the game plan is being scratched mid season which is stupid imo

How is the game plan being scratched mid-season? From the start he said he would reassess after round 8 and make changes if necessary, they are coming slightly earlier but I think everyone has seen enough anyway.

 

[broncos4life]

What makes you think it wouldn't be a rinse and repeat of the last 3 years where we are moderately competitive during the normal season and bomb out unceremoniously as soon as the finals come, because we don't have that necessary next level...?

Rebuilding? Maybe bloooding a few forwards like Seibs did, but that pretty much would be it. WB has left us with the terrible spine he chose on overs and for long terms too. He was never going to touch it voluntarily!

The cracks are appearing for many reasons, and while Seibold has things he needs to improve such as his bench usage, I wouldn't want to be in his place currently with such a young squad, the worst Fullback and captain in the competition, and one of the worst spine combinations too. Not to speak of all the noise being orchestrated from the outside to ensure he fails, like this article from Ennis which reeks of water carrying favour...

I'm used to go through the pain for the long term gain at my European footy club, so I probably have more patience than most Broncos fans.
Hopefully the board and White continue on the rightfully chosen path of dismissing what was clearly not working, and provide the support to the coach he is getting from nowhere else, so he has the chance to prove them right.
I hope Seibold is the right choice, but even if he isn't, I have ZERO doubt letting Wayne go was the best decision the club could take!

I agree with all of this. Bennett would probably be able to transition Boyd neater than what Seibold can based on their relationship, however whether he would
is another story.

 

[pagey]

Maybe he was shit and the board knew it. Last time we took Bennett's advice on a new coach we got Henjak.

Yeah I get that Bennett's coach choices have all been shit , but seibold isn't looking to flash atm

 

[pagey]

What makes you think it wouldn't be a rinse and repeat of the last 3 years where we are moderately competitive during the normal season and bomb out unceremoniously as soon as the finals come, because we don't have that necessary next level...?

Rebuilding? Maybe bloooding a few forwards like Seibs did, but that pretty much would be it. WB has left us with the terrible spine he chose on overs and for long terms too. He was never going to touch it voluntarily!

The cracks are appearing for many reasons, and while Seibold has things he needs to improve such as his bench usage, I wouldn't want to be in his place currently with such a young squad, the worst Fullback and captain in the competition, and one of the worst spine combinations too. Not to speak of all the noise being orchestrated from the outside to ensure he fails, like this article from Ennis which reeks of water carrying favour...

I'm used to go through the pain for the long term gain at my European footy club, so I probably have more patience than most Broncos fans.
Hopefully the board and White continue on the rightfully chosen path of dismissing what was clearly not working, and provide the support to the coach he is getting from nowhere else, so he has the chance to prove them right.
I hope Seibold is the right choice, but even if he isn't, I have ZERO doubt letting Wayne go was the best decision the club could take!

You can only assume it was the best decision, I have no doubt that Wayne will step aside, especially after a premiership.
Dearden, paix and boyd were always going to be given a shot this year, O'Sullivan and Dargen were only ever back ups. It is why we didn't go after a established half , because youth was the clubs intention.

What's done is done but they have put a lot of faith and pressure on a coach that is only new to the game, and someone that hasn't stuck at it for the long haul. I knew it was going to be a rebuild as soon as Bennett got his marching orders, and I think Broncos fans aren't going to have the patience.

 

[pagey]

How is the game plan being scratched mid-season? From the start he said he would reassess after round 8 and make changes if necessary, they are coming slightly earlier but I think everyone has seen enough anyway.

I understand that, yeah let's reassess the situation and make some subtle changes but it seems much more imo

 

[lynx000]

What makes you think it wouldn't be a rinse and repeat of the last 3 years where we are moderately competitive during the normal season and bomb out unceremoniously as soon as the finals come, because we don't have that necessary next level...?

Rebuilding? Maybe bloooding a few forwards like Seibs did, but that pretty much would be it. WB has left us with the terrible spine he chose on overs and for long terms too. He was never going to touch it voluntarily!

The cracks are appearing for many reasons, and while Seibold has things he needs to improve such as his bench usage, I wouldn't want to be in his place currently with such a young squad, the worst Fullback and captain in the competition, and one of the worst spine combinations too. Not to speak of all the noise being orchestrated from the outside to ensure he fails, like this article from Ennis which reeks of water carrying favour...

I'm used to go through the pain for the long term gain at my European footy club, so I probably have more patience than most Broncos fans.
Hopefully the board and White continue on the rightfully chosen path of dismissing what was clearly not working, and provide the support to the coach he is getting from nowhere else, so he has the chance to prove them right.
I hope Seibold is the right choice, but even if he isn't, I have ZERO doubt letting Wayne go was the best decision the club could take!

If nothing else, even if Seibold is not the `right' coach long term, he is the `right' coach right now to transition the team out of the Bennett years and hopefully to a better structured squad.

 

[Wolfie]

I can't believe people are calling for Seibold to be sacked after this season if we miss the eight. If we're really going to sack people after one bad year, get ready for a revolving door of coaches. We've already seen that the current roster responds poorly to a coaching change, so just imagine the results a constant turnover of the head coach will bring.

Any other elite organisation wouldnt tolerate failure and we shouldnt either.

 

[Super Freak]

That's fine if you're glad Bennett got booted , but you have to except what is happening now and stand by it. I think we could have waited and thought about the process, but instead it seems we lost our man and had a knee jerk reaction and picked a rookie that was looking the goods at that point in time.
Bennett admitted that there was issues with the team last year and I'm sure subtle changes would have happened , but with what's happening I don't see it getting any better for a while.
I'm willing to show some patience but it seems the game plan is being scratched mid season which is stupid imo

Gillett was right with what he said about the coaching swap, the board made the right call.

If we had kept Bennett, this entire season would just be a media circus about Bennett and the board, the fighting between the two and all of that crap. It would have been a major distraction on the side and as the players said last year, the media circus ended up getting to them and it affected their performances.

Bennett staying another year, not much would change.

 

[Super Freak]

I can't believe people are calling for Seibold to be sacked after this season if we miss the eight. If we're really going to sack people after one bad year, get ready for a revolving door of coaches. We've already seen that the current roster responds poorly to a coaching change, so just imagine the results a constant turnover of the head coach will bring.

Even if we were sitting pretty on the ladder and made the finals, there are a couple of people on this board that would still want Seibold sacked.

Because he isn't the so called messiah Wayne Bennett.

 

[Big Del]

Roberts , Isaako dropped .
Macca hurt his knee at training looks like a few weeks off .

Stags and Shibasaki in , hooker not sure ?

 

[Culhwch]

Any other elite organisation wouldnt tolerate failure and we shouldnt either.

Instability is not the road to success. Sudden snap decisions based on tiny sample sizes is the road to continued failure, though.

It also depends on your definition of failure. Bennett had four seasons to turn the team into a dominant, consistent threat, and failed to do so. The board didn't tolerate that, and he's now gone. I feel it's only fair for them to at least give Seibold the same duration.

There are also very few elite organisations in the world that experience nothing but success year in and year out. Eventually the competition catches up, or time does, and they have to make hard decisions and reinvent themselves. The Broncos are doing that. Only time will tell if it works, but unfortunately patience doesn't come easily in our instant gratification culture...

 

[Wolfie]

Instability is not the road to success. Sudden snap decisions based on tiny sample sizes is the road to continued failure, though.

It also depends on your definition of failure. Bennett had four seasons to turn the team into a dominant, consistent threat, and failed to do so. The board didn't tolerate that, and he's now gone. I feel it's only fair for them to at least give Seibold the same duration.

There are also very few elite organisations in the world that experience nothing but success year in and year out. Eventually the competition catches up, or time does, and they have to make hard decisions and reinvent themselves. The Broncos are doing that. Only time will tell if it works, but unfortunately patience doesn't come easily in our instant gratification culture...

My definition of failure is not making the 8 with our squad. If we finish bottom 4, thats just unacceptable. Either way i'd sack him if he cant achieve the bare minimum of what we expect, which to me is making the top 8. The only way i'd tolerate it is if we go all out and just develop younger players. You bring Bennett into the equation, well every year under him we made the finals. If Bennett was terminated for that kind of failure, Seibold shouldnt even get a year if he cant at least match Bennett. At the moment, we arent even doing simple things, thats the first thing that has to change.

Its also not about winning every year either, its being in the mix to win things. Plenty of elite organisations challenge every year, and when they dont, the coach generally moves on. The instability thing is pretty irrelevant for me. The road to success is walked on by people who are successful, not ones who arent living up to expectations. If you arent achieving, you arent going to keep your job. Its really that simple.

 

[pagey]

Gillett was right with what he said about the coaching swap, the board made the right call.

If we had kept Bennett, this entire season would just be a media circus about Bennett and the board, the fighting between the two and all of that crap. It would have been a major distraction on the side and as the players said last year, the media circus ended up getting to them and it affected their performances.

Bennett staying another year, not much would change.

I agree in the end it had to be done, there was no turning back. But I don't agree if it was all an open affair and the board didn't pull the shit they did at the start, things would've been better.

 

[pagey]

Even if we were sitting pretty on the ladder and made the finals, there are a couple of people on this board that would still want Seibold sacked.

Because he isn't the so called messiah Wayne Bennett.

I have never mentioned anything about sacking seibold .l said from the start I will hold judgment till mid season, but things aren't going well.

 

[pagey]

Instability is not the road to success. Sudden snap decisions based on tiny sample sizes is the road to continued failure, though.

It also depends on your definition of failure. Bennett had four seasons to turn the team into a dominant, consistent threat, and failed to do so. The board didn't tolerate that, and he's now gone. I feel it's only fair for them to at least give Seibold the same duration.

There are also very few elite organisations in the world that experience nothing but success year in and year out. Eventually the competition catches up, or time does, and they have to make hard decisions and reinvent themselves. The Broncos are doing that. Only time will tell if it works, but unfortunately patience doesn't come easily in our instant gratification culture...

Bennett got to a GF and played finals every year, if seibold bombs and we come in 10th do we still trust the system? If he bonds 2 years in a row, do we give him another chance? Bennett has been one of the best coaches ever , that's why you give him time. So should we give seibold the same luxury ?