NEWS All the way (out) with TPJ

[Scorchie]

Sign him for 3 years more years on $500k, and donate the $150k saved to the Broncos staffers let go?

 

[Gaz]

Badel Warning!!


Fronts on Friday.

 

[Huge]

Oh dear, much ado about nothing. Sure he breached bubble rules and heaven forbid, he didn't fill his app out properly! He won't be sacked I feel sure. Just a big fine and a very stern talking to. Pretty sure he will be better for that. He's had a scare and I'm happy with that. No one harmed, no family threatened, no cocaine sold, no live animals exported, no peds, no heads crushed on gutters. No harm no foul, lesson learned, move on.

 

[Bongo]

Rightio, he's used all his chances ACCORDING to you. You seem to know a great deal about the inner workings and machinations of the club, are you 'in the bubble'?

He has admitted multiple breaches. He lied about where he was. The bubble is the only reason NRL is getting government exemptions other industries are not. His actions are entitled. He has also been suspended multiple times for on field discipline. We are paying 650K for 2/3 of a season. No, I am not in the bubble.

 

[Huge]

He has admitted multiple breaches. He lied about where he was. The bubble is the only reason NRL is getting government exemptions other industries are not. His actions are entitled. He has also been suspended multiple times for on field discipline. We are paying 650K for 2/3 of a season. No, I am not in the bubble.

Not sure why you're repeating what I've just read! His on field breaches suddenly seem to be an issue! Funnily enough they weren't so important before the covid bubble thing. Sure we all were concerned by his judiciary excursions but any reasonable person would know the Maloney one was bullshit but not as big a pile of shit as his last one. He wouldn't even be considered a problem if it wasn't for those two utterly ridiculous and unfair suspensions. There was nothing in either, perhaps a week for the Maloney at best.

No, the on field thing is just a pretext and I'd like to bet he won't be sacked. Anyone want $500 on it? I'll happily give it to Nashy to hold.

 

[Gaz]

Good bet. Maybe Nashy wants the bet so you don’t have to give it to him to hold. But yes I think they will keep him.

 

[Bongo]

Not sure why you're repeating what I've just read! His on field breaches suddenly seem to be an issue! Funnily enough they weren't so important before the covid bubble thing. Sure we all were concerned by his judiciary excursions but any reasonable person would know the Maloney one was bullshit but not as big a pile of shit as his last one. He wouldn't even be considered a problem if it wasn't for those two utterly ridiculous and unfair suspensions. There was nothing in either, perhaps a week for the Maloney at best.

No, the on field thing is just a pretext and I'd like to bet he won't be sacked. Anyone want $500 on it? I'll happily give it to Nashy to hold.

You put your view forward. I put mine forward. I was simply explaining in my view it was well beyond his second chance. I don't know what or where you read what information.

He was suspended this year based on his first tackle back from a suspension. There is always a threshold as to when it becomes an issue and I view it's been crossed. His discipline over multiple season has been poor. Apparently he has missed 36% of matches over the last 18 months. I don't want a guy on that much money missing that much football if it's not due to injury. In My view his on field discipline is a big reason we are paying too much for him. He gives away dumb penalties too. Add the the off field stuff and the risk to the game and I view the NRL was right to do what they did.I am more than happy to see his contract ended. I guess we simply disagree on his value at the end if the day.

 

[Bongo]

Good bet. Maybe Nashy wants the bet so you don’t have to give it to him to hold. But yes I think they will keep him.

I think the fact they have issued a second notice suggests they may wish to sack him. From an employment law perspective I think they have sufficient grounds especially if the can prove that he lied alongside the multiple breaches . The question is whether their own stupidity with issuing the first notice or the view of the board prevents his contract from being terminated. Given how the board has handled other decisions it's anyone's best guess.

 

[Huge]

You put your view forward. I put mine forward. I was simply explaining in my view it was well beyond his second chance. I don't know what or where you read what information.

He was suspended this year based on his first tackle back from a suspension. There is always a threshold as to when it becomes an issue and I view it's been crossed. His discipline over multiple season has been poor. Apparently he has missed 36% of matches over the last 18 months. I don't want a guy on that much money missing that much football if it's not due to injury. In My view his on field discipline is a big reason we are paying too much for him. He gives away dumb penalties too. Add the the off field stuff and the risk to the game and I view the NRL was right to do what they did.I am more than happy to see his contract ended. I guess we simply disagree on his value at the end if the day.

It's fine to disagree. My problem with your view is It's based on made up figures. TPJ wasn't the worst in our team last year, Katoni Staggs conceded more but the ratio wasn't dissimilar. TPJ gives away less than one penalty a game. Last year for example he played 18 of 24 games with 14 penalties. So he missed 6 games. I'm unsure if those 6 were for suspension or suspension and injury.

Not exactly the penalty magnet hey? Playing as hard and as aggressively as he does that doesn't seem too big a deal, right? Most reasonable people don't think he should have copped such lengthy sanctions. First game back, so what? What does one have to do with the other. Shouldn't it simply be on it's merit? You seem to be doing the same thing the HR department did, conflating issues. They got that wrong.

 

[Huge]

You put your view forward. I put mine forward. I was simply explaining in my view it was well beyond his second chance. I don't know what or where you read what information.

He was suspended this year based on his first tackle back from a suspension. There is always a threshold as to when it becomes an issue and I view it's been crossed. His discipline over multiple season has been poor. Apparently he has missed 36% of matches over the last 18 months. I don't want a guy on that much money missing that much football if it's not due to injury. In My view his on field discipline is a big reason we are paying too much for him. He gives away dumb penalties too. Add the the off field stuff and the risk to the game and I view the NRL was right to do what they did.I am more than happy to see his contract ended. I guess we simply disagree on his value at the end if the day.

Oh, by the way, he wasn't in the top 50 for penalties in 2018 either. So, poor discipline over multiple seasons? In 2018 the most ill disciplined Bronco was Milford who finished well up in the top 50 worst offenders, he was 15th. In 2019 Katoni was worst with TPJ and Lodge trailing so your perception and the facts don't match. Would you consider you may be wrong about his discipline, generally speaking?

 

[Bongo]

I wasn't talking about the number it's the nature and the time of those penalties. I said dumb penalties not most penalties.Lets just agree to disagree.

 

[Jason Simmons]

This is one of those instances where I would trust the club to have a better feel of the situation than us. Paul White's an ex-cop. He's seen enough performances of offenders' "remorse" not to be swayed by this routine. I'm not buying any of it. I doubt anyone at the club is either.

A player who admits he's broken his contract on numerous occasions but just needs another chance? Yeah sure, buddy. Get it somewhere else. This is not a bloke you want to coach. This is a bloke who undermines your authority and group cohesion. Yet they put him in the "leadership group" knowing this, probably thinking it would straighten him out. It didn't. And the leadership sucked.

It might be different if he'd already delivered on his obvious potential, but it always seems just over the next hill with him.

I'd like to hear what @Jason Simmons has to say.

Here's the interview:

‘Had enough of him’: League legends take Pangai to task over ‘lip service’

‘Had enough of him’: Legends aren’t buying it as Pangai’s ‘lip service’ solves nothing

www.foxsports.com.au

I watched it, I didn’t get any particular sense that there is any more remorse from him, than the fact that he has to grudgingly admit his wrong-doing once he has been found out...

It is clearly a PR strategy in the making, as is the whole ‘Locky is in my corner’ nonsense going on. I’m not sure that him facing open questioning from journalists is the best idea though, I get the sense he is only ever moments away from a massive ‘foot in mouth’ scenario...

 

[tommy]

Asking Politis on advice for our club seems kinda counter-productive to me.

 

[Jason Simmons]

Oh dear, much ado about nothing. Sure he breached bubble rules and heaven forbid, he didn't fill his app out properly! He won't be sacked I feel sure. Just a big fine and a very stern talking to. Pretty sure he will be better for that. He's had a scare and I'm happy with that. No one harmed, no family threatened, no cocaine sold, no live animals exported, no peds, no heads crushed on gutters. No harm no foul, lesson learned, move on.

He breached COVID rules 6 times, 1 we know about and a further 5 he disclosed to the Integrity Unit, which they may or may not have known about, but it was certainly brought up during his interview.

Plus his repeated on-field indiscretions and then his shopping himself around to other teams, whilst under contract.

As you say, it’s fine to disagree but lets put the scope of his ‘offending’ as accurately as we can, eh?

As a club struggling to deal with ill-discipline in the playing group, it is perfectly understandable why they may want their leading ‘offender’ gone and have reached their limit with him. We’ve seen the Broncs do it before aka Gagai and my only surprise it has taken so long.

Remember when we used to have standards we wouldn’t cop being broken?

 

[lynx000]

I watched it, I didn’t get any particular sense that there is any more remorse from him, than the fact that he has to grudgingly admit his wrong-doing once he has been found out...

It is clearly a PR strategy in the making, as is the whole ‘Locky is in my corner’ nonsense going on. I’m not sure that him facing open questioning from journalists is the best idea though, I get the sense he is only ever moments away from a massive ‘foot in mouth’ scenario...

I would have loved to haved conducted that `interview'. Hooper is hopeless and his questioning technique is pathetic.

 

[Huge]

He breached COVID rules 6 times, 1 we know about and a further 5 he disclosed to the Integrity Unit, which they may or may not have known about, but it was certainly brought up during his interview.

Plus his repeated on-field indiscretions and then his shopping himself around to other teams, whilst under contract.

As you say, it’s fine to disagree but lets put the scope of his ‘offending’ as accurately as we can, eh?

As a club struggling to deal with ill-discipline in the playing group, it is perfectly understandable why they may want their leading ‘offender’ gone and have reached their limit with him. We’ve seen the Broncs do it before aka Gagai and my only surprise it has taken so long.

Remember when we used to have standards we wouldn’t cop being broken?

What is your evidence officer? I mean your evidence proving he was 'shopping himself around'. His repeated onfield indiscretions only seem to gain significance AFTER the covid thing. More honoured in the breach than the observance. Nobody was saying ' sack him sack him ' for his repeated indiscretions, indiscretions that almost universally on this forum were seen as classic over reaction and bronco bashing. Oh, by the way, he isn't the worst offender, just the guy unfairly targeted by officials.

 

[Gaz]

I think the fact they have issued a second notice suggests they may wish to sack him. From an employment law perspective I think they have sufficient grounds especially if the can prove that he lied alongside the multiple breaches . The question is whether their own stupidity with issuing the first notice or the view of the board prevents his contract from being terminated. Given how the board has handled other decisions it's anyone's best guess.

I read they issued the second notice because the first didn’t refer to Covid protocols that it should have.

 

[rnabokov]

Have I missed something? Just read in the smh that the NRL is now investigating TPJ and 3rd party deals, and he fronts the NRL Integrity Unit on Monday "to discuss missing payments that have infuriated him and have the potential to cause problems for all those connected to his deal."? News to me. Anyone?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-investigates-pangai-jnr-third-party-deals-20200822-p55ocx.html