Anti-Storm thread

[Black Philip]

im a broncos supporter and i care. id rather lose than win dirty, but maybe thats just me?

You are literally too stupid to insult.

 

[Anonymous person]

im a broncos supporter and i care. id rather lose than win dirty, but maybe thats just me?

You are literally too stupid to insult.

:roll:

if you dont care if your team plays dirty and cheats to win then any e-respect i ever might have had for you is gone. maybe i gave people on here too much credit in thinking that they would rather their team plays fairly and loses than cheats or needs the referees help to win. says a lot about your character if youd rather take the dirty win than a clean loss.

 

[Anonymous person]

i didnt say that the broncos cheated in the grand final, but it was a 'dirty' win because without the referee making many blatantly incorrect and poor decisions, we lose the match.

and like i said, the NRL make new rules to try and stop the Storm dominating. the whole point of things like the salary cap and limited interchange is to even the playing field - they dont want it to be like the 90s where there were 3-4 great teams that are so far ahead of the rest of the pack that they may as well just give one of them the premiership trophy before the seasons even started.

the NRL see Melbourne being dominant and see it as detrimental to the game, when in reality its not, and they want it to stop. how can they do that? make stupid new rules to outlaw the tactics that they have been using. sliding in with your feet to stop a try has been legal since day 1 in rugby league 100 years ago, and its a legitimate and smart move. Billy Slater stopped a LOT of tries this way, and never injured a single person, yet the NRL sees it and thinks 'well since Slaters the only one who does it, and he plays for melbourne, and melbourne keep winning, lets outlaw it'. its trying to tear the best teams down to make them like the rest of the field - mediocre. same with the 'grapple tackle'. rugby league has always been about slowing the play of the ball down, wrapping up the attacker, and getting them on their back. Melbourne figured out the best way to do this, and they perfected it. the NRL see that because the rest of the teams couldnt figure out how to stop it and - more importantly - how to perfect it themselves, they cant compete. solution? make it illegal! again, trying to bring the leaders back to the rest of the pack.

if Folau hadve stayed with melbourne, chances are 2-3 years down the track youd see scoring tries from bombs being illegal, or having them only count for 1 point. if Inglis keeps going on his super-fend warpath, and noone can stop him, youll see new rules brought in to say that you cant fend someone with anything other than a fully extended arm before the defender gets to you, no 'punching' motion, or theyll just flat out ban it.

when sonny bill was still going round and just hammering the snot out of everyone with shoulder charges, there were calls - and i bet serious discussion within the NRL ranks - to ban shoulder charges. not because theyre all of a sudden more dangerous than they have been for the last 100 years, just because no-one else could do them like Sonny Bill could and it gave his team an advantage.

the NRL are all about bringing competitive mediocrity to the game.

 

[Black Philip]

Melbournes wrestling tactics and Slaters fly kicks were dangerous, that's why they have been cracked down on. It's got nothing to do with the Storms success, it's not a conspiracy by the NRL. They were dangerous, the NRL stopped it.

 

[Meat77]

Besides, Allan Langer was personally responsible for not one but two rule changes - the stripping rule and the rule regarding bringing an opponent down with the leg.

Good to see that nothing much has changed apart from the name since I've been away AP!

 

[Anonymous person]

Melbournes wrestling tactics and Slaters fly kicks were dangerous, that's why they have been cracked down on. It's got nothing to do with the Storms success, it's not a conspiracy by the NRL. They were dangerous, the NRL stopped it.

Exactly.

AP stop embarrassing yourself with stupid conspiracy theories. The NRL stamped them out because they can be dangerous.

If you haven't noticed AP, the NRL has been stamping out so called dangerous acts for the past 10+ years and each and every year something else that's classed as "dangerous" will be stamped out. NRL is getting soft, but it's got nothing to do with the Melbourne Storm.

What about contact with the kicker? NRL have outlawed that now. Was that because of the Storm too? No it wasn't.

lol

its not a conspiracy theory, its what they do. over the years they have been trying to bring the NRL down to a 'lowest common denominator' competition. why? because its the most profitable. remember back when souths/wests/balmain/etc would just get done by 30-40 every time they played one of the good teams? remember the attendances theyd get to those games? i do, and it wasnt much. its hard to sell matches and merchandise when 3-4 of the teams are so far ahead of the pack and the fans of the other teams know theyre not going to win, and theyre most likely going to get smashed.

so how do the NRL fix this? bring the entire playing field back a notch. teams getting too many superstar players? salary cap that $hit! one team having all the best props in the game just rolling over the top of the others? bring back limited interchange and then reduce the number when it becomes less effective as years go on. one team becoming near unbeatable through good defensive tactics? outlaw those tactics.

it wouldnt matter if it was the storm, the broncos, or souths - the NRL dont want the 'standout teams' that we had in the past, like Canberra/Brisbane of the early 90s or Brisbane/Sydney City/Canterbury of the late 90s/early 00s. they want it to be like it has been lately, with the exception of the storm - Penrith winning one year then being on the bottom the next, the cowboys making the final with the tigers, then both being goneskis the next year. they want to spread the success by bringing everyone to a 'level' playing field. the problem is that with every new rule brought in to combat success, the level is getting lower.

i know youre going to disagree because hey, you just hate melbourne and you dont like me - but it doesnt change the fact that im right.

*waits for the 'AP doesnt understand rugby league' comments.

 

[Anonymous person]

leading with your foot isnt as dangerous as you guys like to pretend it is, and like i said, it had NEVER even been an issue until Billy Slater saved a few certain tries with it in big matches. its used to slide in and get under the ball - unless the attacker is planting his face on the ground BEFORE the ball, youre not gonna get any contact with the head. again - why did they not make this rule change back in 1995 or so when Matt Ridge literally swung his leg back and kicked the ball out of a Bronco players hands as he was reaching out to score a try? because it wasnt something used regularly and it isnt really dangerous. Slater started using it regularly because it saved tries, never hurt anyone, and was 100% within the rules of the game. then all of a sudden after 100 years the NRL has a problem with it lol.

so called 'grapple tackles' are generally just 3-4 guys trying to tackle the one guy, and someone simply touching their head/neck in there and everyone crying foul. remember, every other team tried doing it as well, so they obviously had no problems with it. the broncos had their own wrestling coach teaching the same tactics. the problem was that noone could control a match by using this technique the way the storm could.

im not confusing anything, and im not suggesting its a conspiracy theory - its just the way it is. for the supposed good of the game, they want every team to have as much of a chance of winning as the next team. to do this, they just stop the better teams from being able to do what they do best. they did it with the 'big forwards getting on, having 2 runs, getting replaced by equally good forwards for 2 runs, rinse and repeat' tactic that the Broncos used in 98/2000 to just steam-roll all the opposition, and they did it with 'grapple' tackles that the Storm used to have every other team eating from the palm of their hand.

i dont care if you think im embarrassing myself because im not. its clear as day that the NRL is just trying to reign the storm in.

 

[Emma]

Serious question here AP. What is it exactly that's stopping you from becoming a fully fledged Storm fan? I understand appreciating another side, and liking players in that side etc etc. I also understand giving the team you support a razzing from time to time. But I've never seen it quite to this degree and I'm genuinely asking what it is that stops you from jumping on board completely because I'm certain I see more evidence on here of you supporting the storm than I do of you supporting the broncos.

 

[Anonymous person]

1. No grapple tackles. Contact around the head is abolished.
2. No Diving with the feet.
3. Above the horizontal obsession. (How ridicous have they become wit this rule!)
4. More of a spotlight over brawls. Every time there is a small scuffle, the ref feels like he has to stop the game for 5 minutes and give a lecture of some simple shirt grabbing.
5. No tackling in player the air. This was always a rule I think but it's become ridiculously obsessive. If a player is 2 inches off the ground it's classed as a tackle. :roll:
6. Contac made with kicker. Now days, any sort of late contact is frowned upon and penalised! It's boarder line obsessive.

Now AP, have a look at the above rules ok mate. Just have a look at these rule changes. Out of those 6, how many are the Storm responsbile for? Probably 2. That's right, 2 out of the 6.

1. 100% storm. 'contact with the head' and 'grapple tackle' are not the same rule.
2. 100% storm.
3. always been a rule.
4. not a rule.
5. always been a rule.
6. always been a rule. its a professional foul and has always been policed. it only came into the spotlight when a few people actually got pretty seriously hurt from people attacking the kicker instead of the ball.

so lets see.....only 2 of the 6 that you listed are actual rule changes over the last 10 years, and guess what? both of them are because of Melbourne!

the NRL is out to reign in ANY team that starts pulling ahead of the rest of the competition. the only team to show that they are doing this is the team that has made 4 grand finals in a row. put 2 and 2 together and what do you get? the NRL trying to reign in the storm. if there was another team pulling ahead of the pack they would do it to them too, but there isnt - only Melbourne.

Emma, i guess im one of the few people on here who appreciate good football, not just appreciate good football when its played by my team.

 

[Black Philip]

Can I get some sort of proof that the Broncos had a wrestling coach? The storm apologisers are always saying that everyone was doing it but I'm yet to see evidence of it being an employed game plan by every team, nor to the extent that Melbourne used it. And why do people seem to think grapple tackles are ok? Players were clearly distressed after being grappled, even in severe pain. I don't care what team did it and if it was within the rules at the time or not, it's a disgusting tactic.

 

[Anonymous person]

"Players were clearly distressed after being grappled, even in severe pain"

lol whatever. more people were clearly distressed and in severe pain after one of Sonny Bills shoulder charges in a single year than from Grapple tackles over the entire 'grapple tackle era'.

 

[Emma]

Emma, i guess im one of the few people on here who appreciate good football, not just appreciate good football when its played by my team.

So do I, I can assure you of that. But as I said, when I seem to be seeing more evidence of you supporting the storm than I do of the broncos, I have to ask what's keeping you from being a storm fan. And I can't say I recall seeing too many compliments from you for other teams that have gone/been going well - I would expect to see that if you are, as you say, a person who can appreciate good football.

 

[Anonymous person]

no other teams cause as much reasons for discussion as the storm.

 

[Emma]

The broncos are discussed rather frequently on this forum funnily enough but I still can't recall seeing input from you praising them (or defending them) to the same level I see for the storm.

 

[Anonymous person]

Wow dude you missed the point!!!!!!!!

I know most of them were rules that were ALREADY implemented, but NOW DAYS these rules are under the spotlight because of the SAFETY issues that surround them.

say what?

you said this:

Our world is becoming more and more PC. Have a look at the changes in the last 10 years in the NRL.

Now AP, have a look at the above rules ok mate. Just have a look at these rule changes. Out of those 6, how many are the Storm responsbile for? Probably 2. That's right, 2 out of the 6.

only 2 of them are actual rule changes, and the storm were responsible for both. how did i miss the point when all i did was point out that only 2 of those supposed 'rule changes in the last 10 years' were actual rule changes and then i answered your question?

you mightve been trying to make a point, but you clearly didnt communicate it well if you were.

and no, its not to stop the top teams from being competitive - its to bring them back down so the other teams are competitive with them.

 

[Bucking Beads]

The broncos are discussed rather frequently on this forum funnily enough but I still can't recall seeing input from you praising them (or defending them) to the same level I see for the storm.

Bingo!! icon_thumbs_u

 

[Flutterby]

So if the NRL are so determined to bring the Storm down AP - explain the Hayne-Slater Rule. A rule desgined to HELP Slater do one of the things he does best in bringing the ball back.

 

[Nashy]

Deadset, just come out and say you now support the Storm.

You love them about as much as a hooker on a corner loves the next business man with a wad of cash. Pretty pathetic that you can never seem to find any good words for the team that you support.

You're a QLD supporter over the Broncos, Storm have more QLD 'stars', so it's obvious why you do. Just come out and support them already.