Ashes Discussion

The True King said:
I have acknowledged when he's bowled well and I have also called him out when he's bowled crap.
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I don`t think he bowled that badly .
Stokes are Bairstow batted brilliantly more the case . It`s the 1st innings with a wet ball remember ?
 
Another nugget of gold from Warne who should be as far away from making decisions on the game as possible.

Has clearly agreed with Sachin to prevent angering his Indian supporter base. He is just so blatantly bias and agenda driven in everything he says.

The issue with yesterday's incident was the groundsmen making the stumps too rigid. If anything the bails should be changed to dislodge easier, however in windy conditions bring out heavier / more rigid bails.


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Not sure I agree with playing for the new ball here.

With Broad and Anderson on deck it could be over within an over if Starc or Cummins get it right... not like Boland can't start with the new ball if it happens to last that long anyway.

I would've thought open up with your two best to try and knock them over before the 80 over mark.

They gave Starc a few, but then brought Boland on right when Starc would've had Broad on strike from ball one.

He could've finished it in that over if he gets Broad out and has Anderson on strike.
 
Thank **** that’s over. You will have people saying it’s good that England are playing competitively but I don’t want to see that at the expense of us playing horrifically.
 
Sproj said:
What's wrong with Buttler and...umm...Bairstow?
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Bairstow almost had his thumb blown off by Cummins yesterday and Buttler must be struggling from getting hit on the hand in Aust first innings
 
Warner doesn`t get in line against Wood .
Back foot goes toward leg stump instead of back and across in line . Doesn`t look good . I saw it a few innings back . Weakness against real fast bowling . Afridi will trouble him with his pace .
 
BroncosFever said:
Do you think they play on lush green outfields and bouncy roads these days?
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They do now. They intend to use an Aussie ready made drop in pitch in at least one of the test venues

edit: yeah they are putting it in 2 of the venues. Weird to do it against us but it is for longevital success overseas.
 
Browny said:
Not liking Mitch Marsh hanging around the dressing room
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Whether we like it or not he's the next in line if they elect to sit out Green

Green is much more dangerous with ball in hand but you would have say to Mitch Marsh is much more dangerous with bat in hand, he seems to have found himself in recent months
 
BroncosFever said:
Whether we like it or not he's the next in line if they elect to sit out Green

Green is much more dangerous with ball in hand but you would have say to Mitch Marsh is much more dangerous with bat in hand, he seems to have found himself in recent months
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Yeah but Mitch just took the brake out of the car and has his foot flat on the accelerator. He has nothing to lose so he has gone all in aggressive and it’s worked. He’s playing wrecklessly cause he has nothing to lose. Don’t think that should be the message of how to get into the test team or we will end up like England with white ball players.
 
BroncosFever said:
You make some good points but also you can't lay it all on Nathan Lyon as being the primary reason we didn't win some of those games.

That Ben Stokes innings for example, Marcus Harris drops one in the outfield, Nathan Lyon also had one of them dead in front but Tim Paine elected to waste a review on one that pitched outside leg (not sure exactly which batsmen was on strike, would've won us the game whoever it was). Sure he made a meal of the run out attempt but anyone can make those mistakes under pressure.

As for India, they grow up on spinning low bouncing pitches, if there was ever a team in world cricket you'd back to take down a spinner, it would be India and it absolutely would have been in their team talks, as it would be for any team. Take down the spinner and expose the quicks, that's how you break down any attack.

It would be nice for him to completely destroy a batting line up but the reality of it is that very few spinners are capable of that, not since Warne/Murali have we seen someone who can consistently do that. Ashwin on his day against the right line up on a pitch that suits can do it. I don't know what you expect him to do, he does a more than serviceable job and has extracted every ounce of ability that he has to be one of the most consistent bowlers going around and I think that's the keyword for Nathan Lyon, consistency. There is nobody else we have in our stocks that could do a better job, I know you grew up watching "the spin king" and that's probably what you expect of any bloke who steps into the team to bowl spin but it's not reality. He is probably the greatest we will ever see, Shane Warne that is.

I will give you the spoiler, the next bloke who steps in won't be as good as Nathan Lyon has been, let alone Shane Warne. So I look forward to you plastering that bloke, too.
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I respect your opinion on it and it's great we're having a civil discussion despite the disagreement.

As far as I'm concerned, those big moments are the moments that separate the good from the great. I could write off one of them, perhaps even two, but he's shown a trend over the years of not performing when it really matters. I was never expecting him to be the next Warne - no one will be, but I think we can all expect he would learn from those big moments and do better with the next one, he simply hasn't shown that.

Certainly acknowledge the raft of other mistakes that happened in that Stokes test. I didn't bother to mention the games in the UAE, his record in RSA and Asia, or what he's done in other Ashes series. I'm not saying he should 'destroy' batting line-ups by himself regularly, but I'd expect a spinner on day 5 in the 4th innings to be the trump card on deteriorating pitches (especially when he's renown for how much spin he gets). Those examples I mentioned were exactly those circumstances and instead of him doing his job and being a threat, we've had to try part-timers like Voges and Labuschagne to take wickets instead.

I agree whoever takes his spot probably won't take 400+ test wickets but I also highly doubt they'll get to play 100+ tests if they average over 30 with the ball. That is a luxury that has been afforded to him his entire test career. My point isn't that we have anyone better right now (I do think SOK's record proves he was considerably better but a different conversation). However, I think that we can certainly criticise Lyon and look at other options when he doesn't bowl well - as has been the case for the last 18 months.
 
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