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[OXY-351]

I sort of agree their, slater tends to slide and get the person, where as hunt tries to smash them and gets rolled ala chewy chewy.
Still, hunt > slater :P

Sliding and getting Moi moi wouldn't have worked. Big bloke like that all you can do is hit him as hard as you can and try and put him off balance. K did that. Awesome stuff.

I would have thought tackling him around the legs and actually completing an effective tackle would be much better than attempting to hit him as hard as possible and putting him off balance?

Thank god you're not a QLD selector or the Broncos defensive coach.

 

[Coxy]

Yeah, would've been heaps better to go around his legs and let him offload to a support player.... LOLZ.

 

[lynx000]

Yeah, would've been heaps better to go around his legs and let him offload to a support player.... LOLZ.

I have to agree with Coxy here. I would think there was more chance of him getting steamrolled by Moi Moi if he went around the legs. Smarter play to do exactly what he did. Credit to KH, he hit a big prop forward at full momentum and knocked him backwards a little and at least stalled his momentum to allow other tacklers to get to him.

 

[OXY-351]

Yeah, would've been heaps better to go around his legs and let him offload to a support player.... LOLZ.

Did he have any support at the time? I could be wrong, but from memory he didn't, and if he did, then Moi Moi was a fool not to pass it to this apparent support cause he had a mile of time to weigh up his options before he got to the collision with Hunt. The fact he didn't indicates passing it to any support player was the last thing on his mind .... LOLZ

Even if he did have support, surely trying to make an effective tackle, whether that be low or high, would be better than getting run over the top of trying to lead with the shoulder, but you seem to know better than everyone else on this forum ...

 

[Coxy]

Of course I know better. It's my forum. Duh!

Seriously though, Hunt's not the biggest or strongest bloke and he had a 110kg prop at full speed coming at him. He saw he had defensive support coming, but they wouldn't get there in time. If he tried to effect a tackle, fair chance Moi Moi would break it and go in.

Smashing him and knocking him off balance would at least give his fellow defenders time to get there.

That was his thinking.

Sure, if he was Scott Sattler, you'd do the Byrne...but we all know Hunt ain't Scott Sattler.

 

[OXY-351]

I would think there was more chance of him getting steamrolled by Moi Moi if he went around the legs.

I thought we were talking about sliding defence here? Tackling someone around the hips/thighs/legs while sliding in from the side is the easiest sort of tackle to make.

If he only stalled his momentum and other broncos players were required to complete the tackle, how is this a good thing if they have to leave the support players Moi Moi was supposedly going to pass to if Hunt went around the legs?

 

[lynx000]

From my recollection there were no nearby support players. It was either Hunt stopped or slowed down Moi Moi or he was going to run it in for a try.

 

[OXY-351]

From my recollection there were no nearby support players.

Exactly, hence the reason a low tackle would have been the most effective thing to do in the situation, but Coxy said there was because it backed up his argument, so there was, ok

 

[Coxy]

Parramatta support players were pretty much level with Broncos chasers. Had Hunt gone low and managed to hold on, Moi Moi would've been looking for a support runner at the same time as Broncos chasers were coming through to finish him off. 50-50, but fair bet he could've got the ball away and it would've been a try untouched.

That's my view and I'm sticking to it :P

 

[OXY-351]

[quote="OXY-351":3leu7tdg]

From my recollection there were no nearby support players.

Exactly, hence the reason a low tackle would have been the most effective thing to do in the situation, but Coxy said there was because it backed up his argument, so there was, ok

Uh.....LOLZ! Go low? On a 110kg prop? And get himself knocked out cold? Who would do that?

Seriously, if you've got a 110kg prop running directly in front of you at FULL speed, you'd throw yourself at him to at least try and slow his momentum or stop him altogether. You wouldn't go for a low tackles, you'd get knocked out or you'd fall straight off his legs. He had too much speed and momentum.[/quote:3leu7tdg]

I'm not talking about tackling him low directly front on. I agree, that would be a suicidal move.

Hunt could have easily tackled him low, side on, which is where this debate started regarding Slater sliding in defence, compared to Hunt trying to smash people front on started. Hunt didn't have to put himself in the situation where he was confronted head on with Moi Moi. He ran himself in to a position to be in that sitaution cause that's how he plays.

It would be much more effective to tackle someone low with proper technique than just "throwing" yourself at them. You make an argument that you'd fall straight off his legs with a low tackle, but the way Hunt went in, unless he completely knocked Moi Moi off his feet (which would seem unlikely given the momentum and weight of Moi Moi), there was no way he was going to effect any sort of tackle, and as it turned out, he just fell off the tackle anyway.

He didn't wrap the ball up, nor did he complete a tackle. Yes, he stopped a try in this instance and it was spectacular, but it wasn't the most effective means to do so imo.

You guys ever heard of the expression, "you can't run without legs"?

 

[ronnyd]

[quote="OXY-351":1b32f3fq]

From my recollection there were no nearby support players.

Exactly, hence the reason a low tackle would have been the most effective thing to do in the situation, but Coxy said there was because it backed up his argument, so there was, ok

Uh.....LOLZ! Go low? On a 110kg prop? And get himself knocked out cold? Who would do that?
[/quote:1b32f3fq]

95% of players defending after a line drop out!

 

[ronnyd]

[quote="The Rock":1puala8g][quote="OXY-351":1puala8g]

From my recollection there were no nearby support players.

Exactly, hence the reason a low tackle would have been the most effective thing to do in the situation, but Coxy said there was because it backed up his argument, so there was, ok

Uh.....LOLZ! Go low? On a 110kg prop? And get himself knocked out cold? Who would do that?

95% of players defending after a line drop out![/quote:1puala8g]

You mean idiot players? How many times do you see players go low on a bigger play and get knocked out because their head bounces off their hip?

Even if Hunt decided to risk it and go low, Moi Moi would have easily had shit loads of time to get a pass away too.

I can't believe anyone would suggest that Hunt's best option would be to go for a low tackle when he has an 110kg prop forward running directly at him at full pace.[/quote:1puala8g]

I wasn't saying it Hunt's best option, just that tackling a prop at full speed around the legs is a common occurrence and hardly ever results in player getting knocked out (assuming they have their head in the right place).

 

[OXY-351]

Even if Hunt decided to risk it and go low, Moi Moi would have easily had shit loads of time to get a pass away too.

I can't believe anyone would suggest that Hunt's best option would be to go for a low tackle when he has an 110kg prop forward running directly at him at full pace.

A pass to who? If he had shit loads of time and people to pass it to, he would have passed it well before he reached Hunt.

Nah, for sure the best way is to just run in front of the guy and act like a speed bump. No chance of getting knocked out there. In fact, I'm surprised they even bother to teach players to tackle these days. They should just have shoulder charging coaches. That is way more safe than performing a tackle where the tacklers head actually ends up behind the attackers hips/legs

P.s - Did you see the part where Hunt actually ran in front of Moi Moi, not Moi Moi directly running at Hunt?

 

[OXY-351]

And you're MISSING THE POINT! In this exact situation, Hunt's best option was to act as a speed hump!

I'm not MISSING THE POINT, I'm ARGUING THE POINT that acting as a speed hump wasn't the best option

 

[Clintos]

I've got to agree with OXY here. Taking out the legs of a big bloke is the best way to bring them down one on one. Look at Preston Campbell vs anyone else in the NRL. He grabs their legs and falls backwards, which makes the attacking player AT LEAST lose their balance.

Going high on a big player is a much greater risk if you are a significantly smaller player. You are just going to bounce off and whilst you may slow him down - the tackle will be otherwise ineffective. You can't say that players shouldn't go low because their heads will collide with the attackers hips - players are trained how to tackle. Players who have their heads in the wrong place are always going to be hurt. It's like saying that going high is more likely to result in a head clash.

Taking out the legs is the best way to tackle a big player. I know that it was the best way to tackle me back when I played for Norths.

 

[lynx000]

Agrees with Rock.

 

[Coxy]

I agree with OXY. He knows all. He is right. You're all wrong to argue with him. Clearly he's a superstar of rugby league and knows all, therefore you should not have the hide to argue with him.

 

[lynx000]

*Slinks away and hides in the corner*