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Hmmm....as long as no-one kicks the ball to him.
Hmmm....as long as no-one kicks the ball to him.
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I'd bet that between Vidot and McGuire they make up the majority of those metres. Thaiday would have contributed about 3m to that total.
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Can everyone who is claiming that at their best Boyd is better than Barba, or that Barba only did well because of the Bulldogs forwards, please watch this video before they say another word?
Ben Barba 2012 - A Season to Remember - YouTube
Really shows just how poorly people are remembering how good Barba actually was/is when hes not injured and is allowed to play how he wants to play.
Can everyone who is claiming that at their best Boyd is better than Barba, or that Barba only did well because of the Bulldogs forwards, please watch this video before they say another word?
Ben Barba 2012 - A Season to Remember - YouTube
Really shows just how poorly people are remembering how good Barba actually was/is when hes not injured and is allowed to play how he wants to play.
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Missed tackles are important too ! Barba missed 38 while the season average was 24 !
Missed tackles are important too ! Barba missed 38 while the season average was 24 !
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Pretty much, I just want Milford there.
I don't rate either Boyd or Barba at fullback anymore. Unless they have huge turnarounds, I think their best has come and gone.
Pretty much, I just want Milford there.
I don't rate either Boyd or Barba at fullback anymore. Unless they have huge turnarounds, I think their best has come and gone.
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It's not that we don't remember. Who could forget some of those tries? It's just that this is 2014 and based on his form this year when compared to that clip it is like looking at a completely different player. You've mentioned a few of the reasons/excuses from the laundry list that has been handed out to chalk up to his performances this year but am not sure how valid they are. His injuries were a problem, no arguments there, but the guy was in the newspaper a few months back saying he was injury free and should be playing better. If he was gunning it at fullback, there's no way he would've been switched - regardless of how poor Hoffman was playing.
Another thing, how do we know Boyd wasn't injured this season? Wayne Bennett during the year came up with a plan to change the scheduling of Origin to reduce the impact on players. I can't remember if he specifically mentioned Boyd but seeing players return from Origin duty busted up is what prompted him to come up with ideas on how to change it. . .
It's not that we don't remember. Who could forget some of those tries? It's just that this is 2014 and based on his form this year when compared to that clip it is like looking at a completely different player. You've mentioned a few of the reasons/excuses from the laundry list that has been handed out to chalk up to his performances this year but am not sure how valid they are. His injuries were a problem, no arguments there, but the guy was in the newspaper a few months back saying he was injury free and should be playing better. If he was gunning it at fullback, there's no way he would've been switched - regardless of how poor Hoffman was playing.
Another thing, how do we know Boyd wasn't injured this season? Wayne Bennett during the year came up with a plan to change the scheduling of Origin to reduce the impact on players. I can't remember if he specifically mentioned Boyd but seeing players return from Origin duty busted up is what prompted him to come up with ideas on how to change it. . .
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Now let's look at the reasons / excuses:
- Dealing with psychological issues we all have read about, and led to his departure from the Bulldogs.
- Having to adapt to a new team with completely different structures, or whatever those Griffin tactics were called.
- Made to play both fullback and five-eight at the same time, to compensate for Hoggman's deficiencies (confirmed by Hook and Barba), prior to being moved to 5/8.
- Possible ankle injury lmiting his speed and freedom of movement, thus severely impacting his play style.
- Bulked-up, thus compounding the previous point
- Coached by Griffin... need I say more?
With the above in mind, answer these questions:
- Which of those do you think are not valid, and which of these do you think can't be addressed/fixed by Wayne Bennett?
- If you believe Bennett can bring Boyd back to his best, why wouldn't he be able to do the same with Barba?
- Do you think Boyd at his best even holds a candle to Barba at his best?
- Even if you do believe Boyd is better than Barba at his best, is it worth the extra large amount of salary cap?
- Do you believe Wayne will drop Boyd from fullback, if one of the young kids coming through is breaking down the door?
Once you've answered those questions, you'll have the answer to whether Boyd's recruitment is justified.
I believe he was moved to 5/8 when Hook finally realised how useless Hoffman was in the position. Undoubtedly, his recent form and dropped bombs also contributed to it.
Now let's look at the reasons / excuses:
- Dealing with psychological issues we all have read about, and led to his departure from the Bulldogs.
- Having to adapt to a new team with completely different structures, or whatever those Griffin tactics were called.
- Made to play both fullback and five-eight at the same time, to compensate for Hoggman's deficiencies (confirmed by Hook and Barba), prior to being moved to 5/8.
- Possible ankle injury lmiting his speed and freedom of movement, thus severely impacting his play style.
- Bulked-up, thus compounding the previous point
- Coached by Griffin... need I say more?
With the above in mind, answer these questions:
- Which of those do you think are not valid, and which of these do you think can't be addressed/fixed by Wayne Bennett?
- If you believe Bennett can bring Boyd back to his best, why wouldn't he be able to do the same with Barba?
- Do you think Boyd at his best even holds a candle to Barba at his best?
- Even if you do believe Boyd is better than Barba at his best, is it worth the extra large amount of salary cap?
- Do you believe Wayne will drop Boyd from fullback, if one of the young kids coming through is breaking down the door?
Once you've answered those questions, you'll have the answer to whether Boyd's recruitment is justified.
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I'll answer your questions in a second. I didn't say a lot of those reasons/excuses didn't have merit - in fact, I acknowledged his injuries did have an impact for a part of the season. I don't believe Griffin's influence is as much as you say it is so we'll disagree on that one. Your first reason is curious though as Boyd has been in a rehabilitation facility for a few weeks now. I don't think I've read a single post on here, amidst all the muck raking about Boyd's possible return, that mentioned that as a possible loss of form for Boyd. If psychological issues are good for Barba why not Boyd?
Now onto the questions: I don't believe Boyd's form is all that bad. Yes, the Knights have had a year to forget and I think he's having his worst year to date but I don't think his form is any better or worse than Barba's was this year. To say otherwise I think is making excuses for Barba, most likely based on form from 2 years ago, and not Boyd. The problems with the Knights are similar to Brisbane.
Boyd at his best and Barba at his best is a tough call. They are very different players but I think Barba is more of a game breaker. Boyd, however, is more consistent and has the runs on the board to back it up. The salary cap issue though, I'll believe when I see it. If he genuinely wants to come home then fine, but I'd have a hard time seeing how he would be in a position to command top dollar. The Broncos won't cop that I'd imagine as he can't have it both ways. I'll wait until I hear from the man directly.
Do I believe Bennett will drop Boyd from fullback? I think that implies a certain amount of death riding of Boyd tbh and assumes that he'll be playing poorly. Even then, I admit it's doubtful. Not many young kids have been breaking down the door in any position so it would have to be one hell of a knock. I won't say it won't happen as he did take a punt on Karmichael Hunt so it could go either way.
I'll answer your questions in a second. I didn't say a lot of those reasons/excuses didn't have merit - in fact, I acknowledged his injuries did have an impact for a part of the season. I don't believe Griffin's influence is as much as you say it is so we'll disagree on that one. Your first reason is curious though as Boyd has been in a rehabilitation facility for a few weeks now. I don't think I've read a single post on here, amidst all the muck raking about Boyd's possible return, that mentioned that as a possible loss of form for Boyd. If psychological issues are good for Barba why not Boyd?
Now onto the questions: I don't believe Boyd's form is all that bad. Yes, the Knights have had a year to forget and I think he's having his worst year to date but I don't think his form is any better or worse than Barba's was this year. To say otherwise I think is making excuses for Barba, most likely based on form from 2 years ago, and not Boyd. The problems with the Knights are similar to Brisbane.
Boyd at his best and Barba at his best is a tough call. They are very different players but I think Barba is more of a game breaker. Boyd, however, is more consistent and has the runs on the board to back it up. The salary cap issue though, I'll believe when I see it. If he genuinely wants to come home then fine, but I'd have a hard time seeing how he would be in a position to command top dollar. The Broncos won't cop that I'd imagine as he can't have it both ways. I'll wait until I hear from the man directly.
Do I believe Bennett will drop Boyd from fullback? I think that implies a certain amount of death riding of Boyd tbh and assumes that he'll be playing poorly. Even then, I admit it's doubtful. Not many young kids have been breaking down the door in any position so it would have to be one hell of a knock. I won't say it won't happen as he did take a punt on Karmichael Hunt so it could go either way.
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Didn't watch too many Knights games this year I see lol. His form was atrocious.
Didn't watch too many Knights games this year I see lol. His form was atrocious.
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I have never discounted Boyd's circumstances as a reasoning for his poor form. There are certainly valid excuses for his poor form.
I really think there is no comparison possible between Barba an Boyd at their best, as while Boyd will be a very solid fullback and good link man in attack, but is not and will never be able to win a match on his own. That is of course subject to debate, but it is my opinion.
What isn't opinion, is the fact that Boyd has a contract with Newcastle (worth $600K reportedly). Regardless of Newcastle letting him go or not, under salary cap rules, he will have to be paid the same value at a minimum. This is not optional!
This means that the Broncos will have to carry that extra value under their cap, unless Newcastle decides to pay a portion of it. (fat chance)
Going forward beyond 2016, the Broncos will still have to pay a figure acceptable to the salary cap auditor for an Australian and Qld rep.
If we could get Boyd @ $150-200K, I wouldn't complain too much, even if I do worry that there is no way Wayne will ever drop Boyd, no matter what his form is or who is knocking on the door...
I have never discounted Boyd's circumstances as a reasoning for his poor form. There are certainly valid excuses for his poor form.
I really think there is no comparison possible between Barba an Boyd at their best, as while Boyd will be a very solid fullback and good link man in attack, but is not and will never be able to win a match on his own. That is of course subject to debate, but it is my opinion.
What isn't opinion, is the fact that Boyd has a contract with Newcastle (worth $600K reportedly). Regardless of Newcastle letting him go or not, under salary cap rules, he will have to be paid the same value at a minimum. This is not optional!
This means that the Broncos will have to carry that extra value under their cap, unless Newcastle decides to pay a portion of it. (fat chance)
Going forward beyond 2016, the Broncos will still have to pay a figure acceptable to the salary cap auditor for an Australian and Qld rep.
If we could get Boyd @ $150-200K, I wouldn't complain too much, even if I do worry that there is no way Wayne will ever drop Boyd, no matter what his form is or who is knocking on the door...
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Never get sick of watching that movie
Never get sick of watching that movie
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Alrighty.
So in the past two weeks there have been 392 posts on this topic. It's great to see such enthusiasm but it's beginning to derail all sorts of discussion and so this is your one thread where you can continue arguing.
However, keep it in this thread.
You have all been warned.
So in the past two weeks there have been 392 posts on this topic. It's great to see such enthusiasm but it's beginning to derail all sorts of discussion and so this is your one thread where you can continue arguing.
However, keep it in this thread.
You have all been warned.
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If they were both at the peak of their powers I would take Barba over Boyd.
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Wishful thinking [MENTION=8219]Splinter[/MENTION]? :wink:
The NRL will not allow Boyd to play elsewhere for a value less than his Newcastle contract, whether or not the clause allows him to leave. There are precedents, although I don't have them handy right now...
The NRL will not allow Boyd to play elsewhere for a value less than his Newcastle contract, whether or not the clause allows him to leave. There are precedents, although I don't have them handy right now...
