Barba vs Boyd

[Mitch06]

Re: 2015 Halves

Sadly in the next two or three weeks the club will announce the signing of darius boyd and barba's time as a first grader will be up.
I really love watching barba. I like him so much

Totally agree :/ feel sorry for Barba, but that is a dog move from Bennett. The bright side of this that Darius Boyd hasn't said a word about coming to the Broncos nor has their been any contract negotiations

 

[broncos4life]

Re: 2015 Halves

Totally agree :/ feel sorry for Barba, but that is a dog move from Bennett. The bright side of this that Darius Boyd hasn't said a word about coming to the Broncos nor has their been any contract negotiations

Can I just clarify how it is a dog move by Bennett? Barba's form at fullback was very average last year. If getting what he deems to be the best team possible and making under performers earn there position is a dog move then I hope we see plenty more of them.

Before anyone says it I know that boyds form hasn't been spectacular either, but Bennett seems him the man for the job, he isn't just putting him there because he hates barba.

 

[Foordy]

Re: 2015 Halves

Can I just clarify how it is a dog move by Bennett? Barba's form at fullback was very average last year. If getting what he deems to be the best team possible and making under performers earn there position is a dog move then I hope we see plenty more of them.

Before anyone says it I know that boyds form hasn't been spectacular either, but Bennett seems him the man for the job, he isn't just putting him there because he hates barba.

The problem is that Boyd won't have to earn his position, and he also won't have to perform to keep it.

Whatever his relationship is with Boyd, he seems incapable of making the hard decisions when it comes to his form on the field.

 

[broncos4life]

The problem is that Boyd won't have to earn his position, and he also won't have to perform to keep it.

Whatever his relationship is with Boyd, he seems incapable of making the hard decisions when it comes to his form on the field.

Thanks for picking 6 words out of my entire post and not answering my question just so you can have another opportunity to repeat yourself

 

[Crazy Sam]

I've heard Barba to Manly is a chance with Brett Stewart looking go to elsewhere.

 

[Foordy]

Thanks for picking 6 words out of my entire post and not answering my question just so you can have another opportunity to repeat yourself

I don't think it's a dog move ... just a wrong move (unless he is bringing Boys to play wing, but we know that's not happening)

And your the one who said Bennett will make under performing players earn there place, when clearly that's not always the case. But that fact doesn't suit your argument, so let's just ignore it shall we

 

[broncos4life]

I don't think it's a dog move ... just a wrong move (unless he is bringing Boys to play wing, but we know that's not happening)

And your the one who said Bennett will make under performing players earn there place, when clearly that's not always the case. But that fact doesn't suit your argument, so let's just ignore it shall we

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't go over it again as it has already been said by myself and others so I thought I wouldn't say it all again as people have said they are sick of the repetition.

Seeing as you have called me out though I will (sorry to everyone that has heard all this before). Saying that Boyd keeps his place despite under performing isn't true because there hasn't been a case where he is holding a better player out of their spot. At Newcastle there wasnt someone that was better available, with sione matautai not eligible for first grade until the final 6 rounds or something like that. On current form imo and many others (not to mention statistically) Boyd is a better option than barba at fullback.

 

[Foordy]

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't go over it again as it has already been said by myself and others so I thought I wouldn't say it all again as people have said they are sick of the repetition.

Seeing as you have called me out though I will (sorry to everyone that has heard all this before). Saying that Boyd keeps his place despite under performing isn't true because there hasn't been a case where he is holding a better player out of their spot. At Newcastle there wasnt someone that was better available, with sione matautai not eligible for first grade until the final 6 rounds or something like that. On current form imo and many others (not to mention statistically) Boyd is a better option than barba at fullback.

Jake Mamo for starters.

And despite many on here not rating him, Kurt Gidley has always performed well at the back for the Knights, but Bennett decides to move him to make room for Boyd to play fullback

 

[Porthoz]

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't go over it again as it has already been said by myself and others so I thought I wouldn't say it all again as people have said they are sick of the repetition.

Seeing as you have called me out though I will (sorry to everyone that has heard all this before). Saying that Boyd keeps his place despite under performing isn't true because there hasn't been a case where he is holding a better player out of their spot. At Newcastle there wasnt someone that was better available, with sione matautai not eligible for first grade until the final 6 rounds or something like that. On current form imo and many others (not to mention statistically) Boyd is a better option than barba at fullback.

I call bullshit. On current form, be it statistically or otherwise, Boyd is not the better fullback.
At Newcastle, even Kidley was better than Boyd the last season, and the only time Boyd didn't play, was when he declared himself psychologically unfit, coincidentally or not, shortly after Bennett was announced as the next Broncos coach.

I believe Bennett is quite capable of making the tough calls the team needs... with the exception of Boyd.
Other than the large chunk of the cap he will be commanding, he will undoubtedly have a mortgage on the fullback position, regardless of his performance and more importantly, the performance of anyone behind him in the pecking order.

I wouldn't even blame Bennett for it, because I'm sure I wouldn't be able to be objective if my son played for the team I coached, especially if he was psychologically fragile, and for all intents and purposes, that is probably how Bennett views Boyd.

 

[Big Pete]

For a long time, I subscribed to the theory that Boyd was holding Mamo back but then I kept a closer eye on Mamo and reckon Wayne got it right. Mamo is still really suspect in a few areas and wasn't ready for a full-time role in that spot.

I don't understand how Kidley was better than Boyd last season, Porthy? At best, Kidley did a 'job' and didn't really have any 'on' games. Boyd had several including the Eels and the Tigers.

 

[Unbreakable]

Don't bother reasoning with the Anti-Boyd members Pete, it's comparable to having a debate with Helen Keller.

 

[Porthoz]

Well, that is my point exactly. Boyd has more upside than Kidley when he's on of course, but how often did that happen this season?

As you said... at least Kidley did a job, which Boyd didn't do most of the time. The same goes for Mamo imo, although the kid as more upside than Kidley and can only get better.

Whether we look at current form or potential, we're better off with Barba, especially if you take into account that getting Boyd would cost quite a bit of $$$ extra, even if you forget the relationship between the two.

 

[Porthoz]

Don't bother reasoning with the Anti-Boyd members Pete, it's comparable to having a debate with Helen Keller.

Ah good one.
What resembles arguing with the Pro-Boyd members out of curiosity? It's funny how it's them whom keep hitting below the belt, taking swipes at the people instead of arguing their opinions.

 

[broncos4life]

I call bullshit. On current form, be it statistically or otherwise, Boyd is not the better fullback.
At Newcastle, even Kidley was better than Boyd the last season, and the only time Boyd didn't play, was when he declared himself psychologically unfit, coincidentally or not, shortly after Bennett was announced as the next Broncos coach.

I believe Bennett is quite capable of making the tough calls the team needs... with the exception of Boyd.
Other than the large chunk of the cap he will be commanding, he will undoubtedly have a mortgage on the fullback position, regardless of his performance and more importantly, the performance of anyone behind him in the pecking order.

I wouldn't even blame Bennett for it, because I'm sure I wouldn't be able to be objective if my son played for the team I coached, especially if he was psychologically fragile, and for all intents and purposes, that is probably how Bennett views Boyd.

Ok mate. I disagree that guys like mamo and that are ready and certainly disagree that kidley is a better option, but this just goes round and round so I'm happy to concede even though I disagree. The only reason I said anything was because foordy called me out

 

[Porthoz]

Ok mate. I disagree that guys like mamo and that are ready and certainly disagree that kidley is a better option, but this just goes round and round so I'm happy to concede even though I disagree. The only reason I said anything was because foordy called me out

Haha, you don't need to concede at all. Your opinion is as valid as mine.

But I'd like to know if you actually believe Bennett is capable of being objective when it comes to Boyd?
And how much more $$$ do you think Boyd is worth than Barba?

 

[Big Pete]

Well, that is my point exactly. Boyd has more upside than Kidley when he's on of course, but how often did that happen this season?

As you said... at least Kidley did a job, which Boyd didn't do most of the time. The same goes for Mamo imo, although the kid as more upside than Kidley and can only get better.

Whether we look at current form or potential, we're better off with Barba, especially if you take into account that getting Boyd would cost quite a bit of $$$ extra, even if you forget the relationship between the two.

I'm struggling to see your point.

I gave two examples which is more than I can say for Kurt.

I don't understand where you're coming from on Boyd not doing his job. Even during his 'quiet' games, Boyd would get through as much work as Kidley and was rarely a liability at the back. I cannot say the same for Mamo who physically didn't appear to be ready to handle the week to week grind and has issues with his hands.

I don't have a dog in the fight between Boyd and Barba but this point about Kidley being a better option has no basis as far as I can tell.

 

[Porthoz]

I'm struggling to see your point.

I gave two examples which is more than I can say for Kurt.

I don't understand where you're coming from on Boyd not doing his job. Even during his 'quiet' games, Boyd would get through as much work as Kidley and was rarely a liability at the back. I cannot say the same for Mamo who physically didn't appear to be ready to handle the week to week grind and has issues with his hands.

I don't have a dog in the fight between Boyd and Barba but this point about Kidley being a better option has no basis as far as I can tell.

Boyd was several times a liability at the back imo, as many as Barba, if not more. I'm not even talking of the times he litterally ran away from a bomb, but his defensive positioning was absolutely horrible, and he looked uninterested in many games this season.

Kidley has nothing on Boyd talent wise, but he will put 110% effort every single time, and play to the best of his ability. Boyd simply didn't for most games!

Have a look at the Marathonstadium Knights forum, and see what they thought about Boyd the whole season...

 

[Big Pete]

I'm not even talking of the times he litterally ran away from a bomb

How many times was that specifically?

Boyd simply didn't for most games!

He may not have performed to his perceived potential but that doesn't necessarily mean Kurt Gidley out-performed him.

A lot of Knights fans didn't think much of Kidley's season either.