Broncos Junior Development

[Kyall]

This kind of mistake happens way too often we need to give our players more of chance at higher grade.

 

[Foordy]

This kind of mistake happens way too often we need to give our players more of chance at higher grade.

putting players in the higher grade that aren't ready yet isn't how you develop players.

it hurt's their career not helps it.

it also hurts the club.

 

[Wolfie]

putting players in the higher grade that aren't ready yet isn't how you develop players.

it hurt's their career not helps it.

it also hurts the club.

Exactly right.

 

[Kyall]

Keeping players waiting hurts the club they leave then waiting for their shot (Taylor).

 

[1910]

Keeping players waiting hurts the club they leave then waiting for their shot (Taylor).

Have a look at the Storm’s Grand Final side.

Suliasi Vunivalu- Playing for Easts six times last year- 19 in total in 2015/2016.
Tim Glasby- Playing for Capras and Easts 98 times.
Felise Kaufusi- Playing for Pride and then Easts and Falcons 45 times now including three ISC games just last year.
Kenny Bromwich- 42 ISC games from 2012-2015 trying to get a run for Storm.
Slade Griffin- 10 ISC games in 2016.
Jordan McLean- 11 ISC games in 2015.
Munster was still playing ISC in 2015- 46 games in total.

Even Cronk 61 games for Norths 37 tries.

What about their other players.
Jacks 72 ISC games.
Smith 11 ISC games.
Stimson 35 ISC games.
Kamikamica- 43 ISC games.
Croft- 31 ISC games.

Storm had three players in the ISC team of the year this year, seven in the Grand Final for Falcons, ISC rookie of the year as well.

If the Storm are the benchmark and considered doing things as well as can be; why don't they give guys till 19? Why do they make guys play ISC and get ready for NRL?

 

[BroncsFan]

Have a look at the Storm’s Grand Final side.

Suliasi Vunivalu- Playing for Easts six times last year- 19 in total in 2015/2016.
Tim Glasby- Playing for Capras and Easts 98 times.
Felise Kaufusi- Playing for Pride and then Easts and Falcons 45 times now including three ISC games just last year.
Kenny Bromwich- 42 ISC games from 2012-2015 trying to get a run for Storm.
Slade Griffin- 10 ISC games in 2016.
Jordan McLean- 11 ISC games in 2015.
Munster was still playing ISC in 2015- 46 games in total.

Even Cronk 61 games for Norths 37 tries.

What about their other players.
Jacks 72 ISC games.
Smith 11 ISC games.
Stimson 35 ISC games.
Kamikamica- 43 ISC games.
Croft- 31 ISC games.

Storm had three players in the ISC team of the year this year, seven in the Grand Final for Falcons, ISC rookie of the year as well.

If the Storm are the benchmark and considered doing things as well as can be; why don't they give guys till 19? Why do they make guys play ISC and get ready for NRL?

I think the storm have a great approach and potentially the reason why their players stay with them albeit in ISC, etc. May be communication to the player about their role and pathways into the first grade squad.

Compare that to the broncos where pathways get cut by recruiting players from outside the system
Moga cut the pathway for Opa
Moose to lock cut Arrow
Sims cut pathways for props and second rowers
Bird will cut pathways potentially for forwards, backs or halves
Even milf cut the pathway for Ash (imagine a ash+hunt halves pairing if milf never came)

The storm have a plan for their squad and players which involves doing your time in reserves. Look at Cronk he left unexpectedly and outside of throwing some money to milf they didn't really try to buy from outside.

It seems there is a lack of faith in the broncos young brigade to come through and instead a reliance on guys who've already got experience. It would be extremely disheartening to a young guy who sees their opportunity dashed by someone being recruited who's never been in the system.

It's like the long running joke of employers looking for entry level employees with experience... they don't get it without being given a chance

 

[Allo]

I think the storm have a great approach and potentially the reason why their players stay with them albeit in ISC, etc. May be communication to the player about their role and pathways into the first grade squad.

Compare that to the broncos where pathways get cut by recruiting players from outside the system
Moga cut the pathway for Opa
Moose to lock cut Arrow
Sims cut pathways for props and second rowers
Bird will cut pathways potentially for forwards, backs or halves
Even milf cut the pathway for Ash (imagine a ash+hunt halves pairing if milf never came)

The storm have a plan for their squad and players which involves doing your time in reserves. Look at Cronk he left unexpectedly and outside of throwing some money to milf they didn't really try to buy from outside.

It seems there is a lack of faith in the broncos young brigade to come through and instead a reliance on guys who've already got experience. It would be extremely disheartening to a young guy who sees their opportunity dashed by someone being recruited who's never been in the system.

It's like the long running joke of employers looking for entry level employees with experience... they don't get it without being given a chance

Nailed it imo. Look at what’s happening with Niko (who it must be said the Storm also targeted), he gets told he’s the 7 for ‘18, but all the talk of Taylor and/or Bird must be worrying him. People say ‘competition is good for players so they don’t get complacent’ but not everyone works that way. Look at how well players go once they’ve signed a new contract

Like you say with the job thing, if you see the pathway to full time or higher positions and have someone brought in ahead, you can’t be blamed for looking elsewhere

 

[Cult]

But they also sign 8 halfbacks, 4 hookers, 9 wingers, 4 centres that every other club attempts to sign, tell them to play ISC and wait until Cronk, Slater and Smith retire before they'll get a run. Addo-Carr, Matt White, Curtis Scott, Cheyse Blair, Dale Finucane, Blake Green, George Rose, Koroibete have all come in with spots in the 17 yet they just don't lose their youngsters that they also buy from everywhere else.

None of them are Melbourne juniors. This team literally brings nothing to this competition. The NRL expanded to Melbourne but the Storm stayed in Queensland.

Who have Ben Barba, Martin Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Stewart Mills, Daniel Vidot, Blair, Boyd, Eden, Gavet, Milford, Carlin Anderson, Salesi Funaki, Ese'ese, Mead, Moga, Pangai, Roberts and Sims blocked from playing first grade?

 

[1910]

But they also sign 8 halfbacks, 4 hookers, 9 wingers, 4 centres that every other club attempts to sign, tell them to play ISC and wait until Cronk, Slater and Smith retire before they'll get a run. Addo-Carr, Matt White, Curtis Scott, Cheyse Blair, Dale Finucane, Blake Green, George Rose, Koroibete have all come in with spots in the 17 yet they just don't lose their youngsters that they also buy from everywhere else.

None of them are Melbourne juniors. This team literally brings nothing to this competition. The NRL expanded to Melbourne but the Storm stayed in Queensland.

Who have Ben Barba, Martin Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Stewart Mills, Daniel Vidot, Blair, Boyd, Eden, Gavet, Milford, Carlin Anderson, Salesi Funaki, Ese'ese, Mead, Moga, Pangai, Roberts and Sims blocked from playing first grade?

Juniors have gone up from 600 in 2006 to 4000 in 2017. Storm will have a pathways coach next year to help young Victorian players.

Compare what the Storm get to what the Swans, GWS and Suns have got from the AFL. Giants get $20 million a year from the AFL.

 

[Cult]

Juniors have gone up from 600 in 2006 to 4000 in 2017. Storm will have a pathways coach next year to help young Victorian players.

Compare what the Storm get to what the Swans, GWS and Suns have got from the AFL. Giants get $20 million a year from the AFL.

How many from 1998? And when will we start to see those players?

 

[Morkel]

The Storm have had a charmed run. So many benefits from keeping Smith, Cronk & Slater together illegally. If they would have stayed together without cheating, why did they cheat?

It's not just their skillset, but their work ethic that Melbourne have enjoyed. No team does everything with the intensity of the Storm. You hear that everything is done at 100%. No exceptions. Which is great in theory, but you see what happens when other teams try to do the same - like Souths, you just burn players out.

That's why the Storm have such a high turnover of players, and why more often than not they're less than half as effective for other clubs. Most players can't keep it up for that long. They're spent. It takes them years to recover, if they ever do. But with those 3 players there as effectively the best of a generation, it's easy to plug other players in there - they just have to be willing to, and prove that they can, put at least one or two seasons together of the highest intensity, no-respite effort.

As to why the Storm can seemingly recruit so much better than the Broncos, for one pretty much every position has been up for grabs except the 1, 7 and 9. They've had a revolving door for five-eighths since 2006, so they're able to lure and retain multiple promising halves with the carrot of playing in one of the greatest spines ever. With no mainstay, the position is up for grabs almost every single season. Who wouldn't want that opportunity? And now that Cronk is going, Slater is almost done, and Smith looks like powering on as Captain Invincible, there are even more positions up for grabs.

With the Broncos, since late 2013 our halves have been seemingly locked in. Milford didn't get here until 2015 but as soon as he was announced, Hunt and Milford were our long term halves. From 2015 they were regarded as the future Qld and possibly Australian halves. There's always injuries, and as we've seen, there's million dollar contracts to break that plan, but while this current crop of young halves were deciding their futures, the Broncos would have been one of, if not the most, difficult teams to get a crack in.

 

[Battler]

But they also sign 8 halfbacks, 4 hookers, 9 wingers, 4 centres that every other club attempts to sign, tell them to play ISC and wait until Cronk, Slater and Smith retire before they'll get a run. Addo-Carr, Matt White, Curtis Scott, Cheyse Blair, Dale Finucane, Blake Green, George Rose, Koroibete have all come in with spots in the 17 yet they just don't lose their youngsters that they also buy from everywhere else.

None of them are Melbourne juniors. This team literally brings nothing to this competition. The NRL expanded to Melbourne but the Storm stayed in Queensland.

Who have Ben Barba, Martin Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Stewart Mills, Daniel Vidot, Blair, Boyd, Eden, Gavet, Milford, Carlin Anderson, Salesi Funaki, Ese'ese, Mead, Moga, Pangai, Roberts and Sims blocked from playing first grade?

Yeah they're parasites, but they're not alone. The Roosters, Sharks, Titans, and Sea Eagles (to an extent) all do the same thing, only they don't have a Smith and Bellamy carrot which keeps blokes in the Storm system long term.

Apart from maybe stumbling on a freak of nature player and getting a year out of him on the cheap, there's absolutely no reward for developing juniors in the current system. The Broncos, Raiders, Knights, St George, Eels all get bent over regularly.

 

[1910]

How many from 1998? And when will we start to see those players?

I don't know how many in 1998 sorry.

Not too sure when you will come through but they are certainly doing plenty of work.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Juniors have gone up from 600 in 2006 to 4000 in 2017. Storm will have a pathways coach next year to help young Victorian players.

Compare what the Storm get to what the Swans, GWS and Suns have got from the AFL. Giants get $20 million a year from the AFL.

So wait a second.... there are 4000 juniors in Victoria with no other clubs attempting to encroach on the region?

Within south east Queensland there is under 12,000 juniors which is divided between broncos and titans, with the storm, the raiders majorly up until recently, the roosters, bulldogs a little, and the cowboys all having scouts &/or contacts in the region, whilst also having a bigger threat/option for juniors from union then Victoria does...

Tell me again how amazing storms development is again....

 

[BroncsFan]

Who have Ben Barba, Martin Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Stewart Mills, Daniel Vidot, Blair, Boyd, Eden, Gavet, Milford, Carlin Anderson, Salesi Funaki, Ese'ese, Mead, Moga, Pangai, Roberts and Sims blocked from playing first grade?

And how many of those guys are still here and even getting regular games Boyd, Milford, Mead, Roberts and Sims. That's a pretty fucking poor strike rate in terms of recruitment.

Lowrie and mead are the exact sort of signings I have grievances about. They were never going to be long term options yet they stand as roadblocks to young guys coming through.

We have been screaming for props since petero retired, outside backs since tuqiri left, a hooker since priddis left... hell a halfback since Alfie left. Yet where are we in terms of those positions?

We're going on 12 years without the ultimate success and yet some of those positions are still total cluster ***** prop and outside backs in particular. How is it that we haven't been able to develop or even fucking identify a decent winger or prop to invest in.

Instead we buy these waste of roster positions like lowrie, mills, eden and co. Who turn out to provide nothing for the team.

We were a powerhouse development club and we've somehow pivoted to buying players. It's BS recruitment for mine and we still aren't getting it.

 

[Wolfie]

So wait a second.... there are 4000 juniors in Victoria with no other clubs attempting to encroach on the region?

Within south east Queensland there is under 12,000 juniors which is divided between broncos and titans, with the storm, the raiders majorly up until recently, the roosters, bulldogs a little, and the cowboys all having scouts &/or contacts in the region, whilst also having a bigger threat/option for juniors from union then Victoria does...

Tell me again how amazing storms development is again....

Tbf, their development of players is pretty top notch. I think its their local junior recruitment thats way off. Also, i wonder what the quality of young players in Victoria actually is when its in such a huge AFL heartland.

 

[Renegade]

I'd be happy to give the storm another 10 years before evaluating their local junior recruitment, it hasn't quite been a generation yet since they've been there and not only that - it's not as if they plonk a team there and everyone wants to play NRL.

Takes time, time to woo the youngsters, time to change the cultural landscape, time for the junior programs to root in and take effect.

 

[1910]

So wait a second.... there are 4000 juniors in Victoria with no other clubs attempting to encroach on the region?

Within south east Queensland there is under 12,000 juniors which is divided between broncos and titans, with the storm, the raiders majorly up until recently, the roosters, bulldogs a little, and the cowboys all having scouts &/or contacts in the region, whilst also having a bigger threat/option for juniors from union then Victoria does...

Tell me again how amazing storms development is again....

I like how you read an increase from 600-4000 and ignored that. I mean that increase can't be good for the game. Not a hell of a lot of work that went to achieve that.

Anyone can take from anywhere so your idea that Storm have Melbourne to themselves is wrong. Bulldogs took two from there this year.

It's only been increasing the last 11 years, you're not going to introduce a 10 year old to League and then see results.

Queensland isn't starting from scratch. Melbourne was. Queensland hasn't had to fight this fight since 1909.

Queensland has school boy league as well. Melbourne didn't and still doesn't really. Ask the development guys at the Storm and they will tell you they would cold call schools to get a presence and just hear silence- you're who?

Queensland doesn't have to find fields and facilities- Melbourne have.

Queensland doesn't have to start with education- Melbourne do.

While numerally Melbourne/Victoria might be getting there that doesn't mean the quality is there yet.