Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2021

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Bongo said:
I would much prefer a winger that doesn't have the errors. He drops easy catches in attack and defence and as you said there are one or two every game rather than the odd error here or there. This has been going on his whole career and in my view its not good enough. He can do some great things but fails at the basics regularly. I would move him on if we can and get a cheaper replacement who can do the basics
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Do you have any examples of this replacement? Are they also going to average 150+/game with the teams quickest play the balls? Oates averaged 1.2 errors per game this year, compared to the new signing Pereira who averaged 1.8.

Who is this replacement that's not gonna make any errors?
 
Allo said:
I feel since he came back he’s been pretty good error-wise

At least there’s less of the ‘bad’ errors. He won’t ever be perfect because no winger won’t drop the ball
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I think we may as well retain him for next year given his meters out of our end have been a massive plus to the back end of the year.

But I think even last game he had a soft drop on a simple get out hit up that puts us under pressure... those ones where he cops a shot just under the ball and it comes flying out... he seems more prone to it than other wingers as he runs straight up and down like a forward, whereas wingers will jink and try and get themselves between tacklers or slow their momentum at impact to basically drop for a quick play the ball. Oates just tries to go through them, which is fine, but makes him an easy target for a big hitter.

And of course there are the drops on bombs when he comes flying over the top of the pack.... he hardly ever seems to catch them. Only seems to catch the uncontested ones.

I think his meters have been a big reason to our increase in form for the back of the year and we shouldn't be looking to dump him unless we can find another winger that will bring the same.

It has been him and Herbie doing all the yardage work out of our end this year
 
BooKhaki said:
Do you have any examples of this replacement? Are they also going to average 150+/game with the teams quickest play the balls? Oates averaged 1.2 errors per game this year, compared to the new signing Pereira who averaged 1.8.

Who is this replacement that's not gonna make any errors?
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Well the reality is that there is not much on the market because we have held onto him for too long. No doubt he makes great metres but he isn't the only centre/winger that can make metres. Herbie and Cobbo are improving in this space too. I'd trade less metres for less errors and better positioning. Never claimed that other wingers don't make errors only that Oates makes too many basic errors. For 500K, supposedly the same as Addo Carr, he isn't worth it. Pereira is good depth not saying he is the answer. If we move on Oates and Isaako there might be enough for a good replacement and a base signing
 
On the Oates conversation, I almost feel like we just need to get over the once a game high ball or dropped while being tackled error because of the work he does at set starts.

Unless you are replacing those metres with someone else, he almost has to stay.

I say this without looking at his metre per game stats, but it certainly feels like he gets us started well while our other backs like to dance around more. Imo
 
Allo said:
I feel since he came back he’s been pretty good error-wise

At least there’s less of the ‘bad’ errors. He won’t ever be perfect because no winger won’t drop the ball
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He still makes basic errors jumping for the ball and drops too many and his hands have never been great. Slightly better off late I agree but a long history without a significant period to show it has changed. I would cut and run rather than wait and see.
 
Johnny92 said:
A cheaper replacement wouldn't do the work Oates does.
He does the basics for a winger he's 1st or 2nd to make a hit up coming out of our own end and makes it over the advantage line 99% of times and then some and forwards like Haas can go off the back of that not running it up after someone getting driven back he gets the sets off to a good start. He does the dirty work so the strike players like a Staggs don't have too. He's saved a minimum of atleast 6 tries.
When you touch the ball as much as him your bound to make a error every now and then.
Notice how the team has improved since Oates has been back in the side?
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Winger basics for me include defusing bombs, being in the right position in attack and defence and solid handling which I think he is below par. No doubt he is good in the metres department. I think his defence has been very good in some games but not good in others.
 
McHunt said:
Hard to say with Oates. Not sure we want to subsidize yet another to play for someone else. No other club would want him on what we're forking out.

On the other hand, he's an experienced Origin winger and former prolific try scorer. He SHOULD be fostering these rookie centres and fullback, getting them in position. His experience should be an asset out there.

Unfortunately, while he occasionally puts on a hit, takes a high ball, or generally asserts this authority, these occasions are too few. He's lost his speed, he's not fit and he gets beaten by his opposite number too often. Plus he seems to have done **** all in molding Herbie into someone who can feed him that perfect pass to put him away.

I think, unless Oates gets the shits and ***** off, he'll either be lining up on the wing for us or the Magpies next year. He's playing for his next contract now, and he won't be getting one on his 2021 form, so the incentive is there.
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Agree. Hard to offload at a value mostly because he is on too much money. England might be an answer. I'd be inclined if he stays to leave him out of the squad and move on with Lee in the backline and a different winner such as herbie or cobbo
 
cento said:
Yeh I recon don’t even know if I would want him back after leaving for the money
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What makes it even more suspect is the front row part, that is the LAST place I would ever have Fifita play and I have a feeling he would hate it there. Out wide Fifita can be selective about his input(Bludge but trying to be fair) making him harder to contain. Having him up the middle would require him to get his hands dirty and increase his involvement/workload and that just isn't Fifita.

I don't know if I would want him back or not, but personally I can say I'm glad we allowed the Titans to bid us out of it. If Haas isn't worth a million, I sure as hell wouldn't pay 1.25 Million for a backrower.
 
GCBRONCO said:
What makes it even more suspect is the front row part, that is the LAST place I would ever have Fifita play and I have a feeling he would hate it there.
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I'd probably rather be in the front row with Haas then at the titans though
 
Bongo said:
Well the reality is that there is not much on the market because we have held onto him for too long. No doubt he makes great metres but he isn't the only centre/winger that can make metres. Herbie and Cobbo are improving in this space too. I'd trade less metres for less errors and better positioning. Never claimed that other wingers don't make errors only that Oates makes too many basic errors. For 500K, supposedly the same as Addo Carr, he isn't worth it. Pereira is good depth not saying he is the answer. If we move on Oates and Isaako there might be enough for a good replacement and a base signing
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Cobbo is your ferrari much like Staggs you keep him in the garage til your ready to use him. He's your strike not your battering ram.
If you trade less metres for less errors and better positioning how do you get into a position to attack when your winger is getting dragged back 10 metres and your forwards are running into a solid defensive line off the goal line once they finally get back onside before you know it its 5th tackle and we've made 25 metres.
 
Johnny92 said:
Cobbo is your ferrari much like Staggs you keep him in the garage til your ready to use him. He's your strike not your battering ram.
If you trade less metres for less errors and better positioning how do you get into a position to attack when your winger is getting dragged back 10 metres and your forwards are running into a solid defensive line off the goal line once they finally get back onside before you know it its 5th tackle and we've made 25 metres.
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Yes a good start to our sets is important but your idea that without Oates we can't get it and will only make 25m and other wingers will be pushed back 10m is exaggeration or catastrophising at best.

The reality is all outside backs ruck it out and no back can be held back to put the polish on tries only. Cobbo Staggs and Herbie and other backs can all contribute effectively to making metres at the starts of sets and do there job in attack. Admittedly Isaako and Coates are not good at this but I don't think they will be there next year. Good starts to a set is not binary based on Oates being or not being there.

In my view Oates' metre making is not enough to make up for his positional and error making deficiencies. Not having him there does not automatically presume his replacement and his team mates are incapable of making a metre.
 
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