Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2022

[BroncsFan]

Media saying there will be some hypocrisy over this Walsh move after we booed Haas. While i think its a bit overdramatic, if Payne plays the homesick card ( and he hasnt used that one yet ) how do we say no to him when we are signing a player on the same terms?

Because in Payne's case everyone will know it's a lie, after he has used every other excuse in the book for wanting out.

Besides for Haas wouldn't the home sick card only allow him to go to the Titans ...

Also noting that Walsh has a clause in his contract for compassionate grounds...

Haas doesnt have a clause for:
- I want more money, or
- I want to go to Bondi, or
- My new manager wants money

 

[BroncsFan]

I think Paul Crawley is the only one that thinks it's hypocrisy. Honestly I would love to know more about the hold Bennett has over him.

Ahhh ok ... so it's actually Bennett speaking through his puppet then

 

[Sproj]

Hopefully its the never then. Replicating the Lockyer move is like trying to manufacture the next Cameron Smith, its extremely unlikely to work out.

Jahrome Hughes? Nicho Hynes? Cameron Munster? Cody Walker (very similar kinds of players)?

 

[Wolfie]

Also noting that Walsh has a clause in his contract for compassionate grounds...

Haas doesnt have a clause for:
- I want more money, or
- I want to go to Bondi, or
- My new manager wants money

Maybe he just has an "im a dickhead " clause

 

[Alec]

Jahrome Hughes? Nicho Hynes? Cameron Munster? Cody Walker (very similar kinds of players)?

Most of those guys came through as halves who were moved to fullback for a short while, no?
Also Storm structures are second to none, I don't think Hughes would go as well at other clubs.

 

[Wolfie]

Most of those guys came through as halves who were moved to fullback for a short while, no?
Also Storm structures are second to none, I don't think Hughes would go as well at other clubs.

I always remember Hughes as a fullback everywhere else before the Storm. Munster was certainly playing fullback for the Tigers and the Capras. Hynes i'm not sure, but i'm fairly positive Walker made his name in Q Cup as a 6.

 

[NSW stables]

Im not saying I support the idea of ezra at 7 and walsh at 6 when reynolds retires, but if Reynolds sticks around as a halves coach he would be great for them (particularly their kicking, managing a game and capacity to follow a game plan).

We have seen with Melbourne that two smart running halves can work effectively in today's game, and carrigan has shown some ball skills and organisation in the middle of the park which could alleviate some pressure from them.

 

[Big Pete]

Most of those guys came through as halves who were moved to fullback for a short while, no?
Also Storm structures are second to none, I don't think Hughes would go as well at other clubs.

Hynes came through the Manly system around the same time as Turbo, so obviously he wasn't the fullback.

Hughes dabbled at five eighth at the Titans (I'm talking two games) but was largely a fullback.

Munster turned heads at fullback but Melbourne were quick to develop him as a five eighth. He played both positions coming through, but largely played 6.

Widdop was the opposite where he largely came through as a fullback but dabbled in the halves.

Walsh as far as I know has largely played fullback coming through. He did fill a utility role for Queensland in the U/18s back in 2019 but I can't recall how he was used exactly. It suggests to me that even back then coaches saw potential in a halves move but never really pulled the trigger ala Karmichael.

 

[Sproj]

Most of those guys came through as halves who were moved to fullback for a short while, no?
Also Storm structures are second to none, I don't think Hughes would go as well at other clubs.

Yeah look quite probably but the point really is that fullback and five-eighth are kind of interchangeable to an extent these days.

 

[Evander]

The point wasn't the homesick it was just a release.

The same Brisbane Broncos fans that booed Payne Haas for seeking a release will now be expected to cheer Reece Walsh’s return next season.
You’ve got to love the irony, or should that be hypocrisy, that rules the NRL player market in the modern game.


Where contracts are made to be broken, and loyalty went out of fashion in the 1990s.

Make no mistake, the reaction from Broncos fans giving it to Haas was totally understandable.

Not only had he received a significant upgrade previously, but the way his management went about trying to bully their way to another pay rise just reeked of greed and a total lack of class.

But now we find out the Broncos have finalised Walsh’s return for next season after he sought a release from the Warriors on compassionate grounds.

Comparing going back home to be near his daughter to a well paid prop wanting to be paid even more is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you say on here haha

 

[Wolfie]

Comparing going back home to be near his daughter to a well paid prop wanting to be paid even more is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you say on here haha

I think he's quoting the Courier mail article.

 

[McHunt]

Yeah look quite probably but the point really is that fullback and five-eighth are kind of interchangeable to an extent these days.

They're not really. The skill sets overlap, but neither is wholly contained in the other. The reason you see such a high crossover is these two positions tend to attract the most skillful ball players. But the roles differ.

Fullbacks need to contest high balls, tackle fast moving players often on their own, and return the ball in a high impact collision. Cross field defence and being able to read the game is critical. Being able to slot into the backline is a huge bonus. It's a challenge for short players.

Five-eighths need elite tactical kicking skills, immaculate hands, and an evasive step. They should be able to kick with both feet and pass equally well in both directions. It's one of the least demanding roles in defence with help nearby most of the time, and the offence moving slowly. However, they're often targeted by forwards aiming to hurt them. It's rare to find very tall 6's.

So basically, a taller five-eighth who's safe under the high ball and smart defender could make the switch to fullback. A fullback with exceptional kicking and ball playing skills could make the switch to five-eighth.

I could see Walsh transitioning into the halves based on his ball playing skills and football nous, but he would need to hone his kicking game. Selwyn doesn't look like a five-eighth to me at all, but he does look like a potential fullback if he can sort out his defence and fumbles.

 

[1910]

Hynes came through the Manly system around the same time as Turbo, so obviously he wasn't the fullback.

Hughes dabbled at five eighth at the Titans (I'm talking two games) but was largely a fullback.

Munster turned heads at fullback but Melbourne were quick to develop him as a five eighth. He played both positions coming through, but largely played 6.

Widdop was the opposite where he largely came through as a fullback but dabbled in the halves.

Walsh as far as I know has largely played fullback coming through. He did fill a utility role for Queensland in the U/18s back in 2019 but I can't recall how he was used exactly. It suggests to me that even back then coaches saw potential in a halves move but never really pulled the trigger ala Karmichael.

Queensland U16 fullback and captain in 2018.

He missed out to Hamiso in 2019 Under 18 Origin but came on after 25 and played until 48 minutes, then came back on 66 minutes for Graham. Went to DH a bit and sniffed around the middle- scored a try backing Tesi up the middle.

 

[Big Del]

They're not really. The skill sets overlap, but neither is wholly contained in the other. The reason you see such a high crossover is these two positions tend to attract the most skillful ball players. But the roles differ.

Fullbacks need to contest high balls, tackle fast moving players often on their own, and return the ball in a high impact collision. Cross field defence and being able to read the game is critical. Being able to slot into the backline is a huge bonus. It's a challenge for short players.

Five-eighths need elite tactical kicking skills, immaculate hands, and an evasive step. They should be able to kick with both feet and pass equally well in both directions. It's one of the least demanding roles in defence with help nearby most of the time, and the offence moving slowly. However, they're often targeted by forwards aiming to hurt them. It's rare to find very tall 6's.

So basically, a taller five-eighth who's safe under the high ball and smart defender could make the switch to fullback. A fullback with exceptional kicking and ball playing skills could make the switch to five-eighth.

I could see Walsh transitioning into the halves based on his ball playing skills and football nous, but he would need to hone his kicking game. Selwyn doesn't look like a five-eighth to me at all, but he does look like a potential fullback if he can sort out his defence and fumbles.

I think the 5/8 is a more physical role ie anerobic fitness and wrestling .
So bigger muscle mass helps.
FB more cardio and aerobic fitness . A bit less muscle mass so more endurance to cover more miles in a game without gassing out .

TMM spoke about how FB suited him in his come back as he wasn`t as heavy or strong as his previous playing weight . And would need time to adjust to defending in the front line .

 

[Fitzy]

Queensland U16 fullback and captain in 2018.

He missed out to Hamiso in 2019 Under 18 Origin but came on after 25 and played until 48 minutes, then came back on 66 minutes for Graham. Went to DH a bit and sniffed around the middle- scored a try backing Tesi up the middle.

He was 16 in 2019 though that is no slouch of an accomplishment.

 

[Jedhead]

This is basically how sports fans think:
This player wants to play for my team: YAAAAAAY
This player doesn't want to play for my team: BOOOOOOO

Looking for deeper meaning is futile, or just to get newspaper clicks.

If i could've added a laughing emoji to this too it would sum up my reaction perfectly.

 

[McHunt]

I think the 5/8 is a more physical role ie anerobic fitness and wrestling .
So bigger muscle mass helps.
FB more cardio and aerobic fitness . A bit less muscle mass so more endurance to cover more miles in a game without gassing out .

TMM spoke about how FB suited him in his come back as he wasn`t as heavy or strong as his previous playing weight . And would need time to adjust to defending in the front line .

Now look at Tesi.

 

[Big Del]

Now look at Tesi.

He bulked up in the off season .
Why you would do that knowing you need more cardio to be a #1 I don`t know . Maybe he wants to play 6 ?

Thing I always come back to with Tesi . Seibold reckoned he was the best athlete he had ever seen . That is something , even coming from Siebold . Keeps me optimistic .