Broncos youngsters under threat from poachers.

[Morkel]

Shit just got interesting!

I'd say. Nashy's going to have to get out of bed to answer the door.

 

[abashii]

The article seems to be gone, but this was the original post with Wayne's quote:

News Article not available

Here's a working link

And the quote from Bennett:

"There are a lot of talented (ex-Bronco) players that are playing for other clubs now - we have to make sure that doesn't keep happening,"

I see that as Wayne saying things need to change, something that will take a while to implement. One might also add that a reasonable reading of his quote would be that we should keep some/more/most of our juniors, not that we'll never again lose a player we want to keep.

 

[Porthoz]

Here's a working link

And the quote from Bennett:


I see that as Wayne saying things need to change, something that will take a while to implement. One might also add that a reasonable reading of his quote would be that we should keep some/more/most of our juniors, not that we'll never again lose a player we want to keep.

Yes, and I did post that quote. Doesn't detract from anything else I said...

 

[Marty Deutschmann]

There is middle ground that is being missed because people are taking this discussion to the extremes on both sides of the fence.

I agree that players shouldn't hang around if they can't play first grade, but I also think that a little bit of patience isn't too much to ask either.

I mean some are acting like Taylor for instance has played NRL off and on for years and can't get a permanent spot, when in reality he is 19/20, hasn't played a second of NRL and has only played a handful of Q Cup.

The likelihood is our incumbent halves will remain that so his path is blocked to an extent, however opportunities would have presented themselves next year if he was playing good football. He chose to not wait for his chance and jump at the Titans offer, that is completely fine and I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I was in his position; but at the same time to expect fans to believe that he had no choice and act like it's perfectly reasonable to jump ship if your a 19 year old with no NRL experience and the club isn't spreading its legs for you is a bit rich.

Thank you. . This is my stance on the issue too.

I think Taylor's move was ok but now his path could still in fact be blocked so he probably could of stayed, yet he only has to play better than Elgey for a spot.

Jayden's i think is shitty.. He certainly would get a chance next year at some point as would Taylor have (one or the other) when hunt plays origin of there's an injury.

I see the middle ground for both situations separately. Jayden i would have thought would of wanted to stay with his brother. Dynesty effect. Could of been the next Walters etc.

Let's just hope we have another capable half waiting to step up when there's injury :S

 

[Marty Deutschmann]

I think this article is right on the money and i think he'll stay
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl...oosters-interest/story-fni3gv4u-1227484124094

 

[abashii]

Yes, and I did post that quote. Doesn't detract from anything else I said...

I can't see Wayne's quote in your post and the link doesn't work for me (I'm using my phone) so I thought it would be helpful for anyone else reading this thread to see the actual quote and a link to the full story. I only quoted your post because it had the defunct link in it, it wasn't a direct response to you.

Mostly because everything else you said was the same old screed about how Boyd has cost us at at a minimum both Taylor and Jiko, with no new information and really doesn't merit a response. Want to blame Boyd for everything from Sam Thaiday's back hair to the Roosters' unlimited salary cap? Knock yourself out, but your arguments are not in the slightest bit persuasive and are frankly getting tiring.

 

[Big Pete]

For what it's worth, Porthoz has the wrong Nikorima brother. Jayden may have started 2014 at fullback, but he only played two games in the position before Byrnes, Kodi, Alick & Taylor all had stints.

On the other hand, Kodi played there 21 times in 2014, making it 28 games total in his NYC career.

That leaves...

Barba (assuming he would have been kept if Wayne wasn't brought in)
Hoffman
Kahu
Milford
Hodges
Maranta
K. Nikorima
Eden

As the alternatives.

Looking at that list, I'm glad the Broncos went with Wayne...

 

[Porthoz]

I can't see Wayne's quote in your post and the link doesn't work for me (I'm using my phone) so I thought it would be helpful for anyone else reading this thread to see the actual quote and a link to the full story. I only quoted your post because it had the defunct link in it, it wasn't a direct response to you.

Mostly because everything else you said was the same old screed about how Boyd has cost us at at a minimum both Taylor and Jiko, with no new information and really doesn't merit a response. Want to blame Boyd for everything from Sam Thaiday's back hair to the Roosters' unlimited salary cap? Knock yourself out, but your arguments are not in the slightest bit persuasive and are frankly getting tiring.

That link was in rnabokov's original post:
https://broncoshq.com/brisbane-bron...-threat-poachers-post2672140.html#post2672140
It also contained Wayne's quote, which I repeated here:
https://broncoshq.com/brisbane-bron...-threat-poachers-post2697623.html#post2697623

Want to argue my opinion and its reasoning, no problem at all, but either do it with a reasoned counter argument, or don't bother.
I am as entitled as anyone else to post my opinion about the matter at hand, whether you tire of it or not. Other than the past few days after JNik's rumour, I have not touched on this matter for a long time. Not persuaded? How will I cope...?

As for the bold, you have better candidates (who will enthusiastically nod with you) to play with than me...

 

[broncos4life]

The article seems to be gone, but this was the original post with Wayne's quote:

News Article not available

You can embark all you want in hyperbole, but at the point where Boyd was recruited, we simply didn't need a fullback. We had Milford, Jordan Kahu and Jayden Nikorima (who played mostly fullback in the NYC up until then) as the main candidates, and a few more backups like Maranta for example.

By bringing Boyd to a guaranteed fullback spot (Wayne's words), he effectively consigned Milford to 5/8, and essentially blocked the path to both the halves and fullback spots for the youth coming through.
Let's be clear, it's his prerogative to make that choice, but it had predictable consequences, which contradict his words and we are now witnessing. Whether this was the right choice or not, will only be determined in the future...
It's definitely up for argument, but I don't believe Boyd was worth it.

Fact is that suddenly, instead of vying for a spine position which was there for the taking, Taylor and the Nikorimas (especially Jayden) had the best halfback of the previous season, one of the most talented players in the NRL, and Bennett's favourite in front of them.

Now, 12 months later, Milford has settled into his role, is increasingly confident and building his partnership with Hunt, we have Boyd playing at a level that will certainly keep him in the spot, and unless a major injury strikes, none of them is going anywhere any time soon either.
On the other hand, we have 2 of the hottest playmaker prospects in the code who saw their path blocked to FG at their club for a significant time, and we're bagging them for taking an opportunity to play NRL and earn much more money... seriously?

Once again your story in regards to this falls down by your claim that Milford was consigned to fullback after Boyd signed.

- Milford was recruited to the club to play 5/8
- What got Milford over the line was Locky agreeing to mentor him as a 5/8

End of.

 

[broncos4life]

That link was in rnabokov's original post:
https://broncoshq.com/brisbane-bron...-threat-poachers-post2672140.html#post2672140
It also contained Wayne's quote, which I repeated here:
https://broncoshq.com/brisbane-bron...-threat-poachers-post2697623.html#post2697623

Want to argue my opinion and its reasoning, no problem at all, but either do it with a reasoned counter argument, or don't bother.
I am as entitled as anyone else to post my opinion about the matter at hand, whether you tire of it or not. Other than the past few days after JNik's rumour, I have not touched on this matter for a long time. Not persuaded? How will I cope...?

As for the bold, you have better candidates (who will enthusiastically nod with you) to play with than me.../QUOTE]

"Everybody is wrong about this but me"

 

[Porthoz]

Once again your story in regards to this falls down by your claim that Milford was consigned to fullback after Boyd signed.

- Milford was recruited to the club to play 5/8
- What got Milford over the line was Locky agreeing to mentor him as a 5/8

End of.

Yes, I'm sure Milford's contract states that he will exclusively play 5/8.
As if a coach wouldn't put a player in the position he sees fit, and Milford at fullback would be such a shock...

For the uptenth time, I am not arguing the merit of Wayne's choice (only the future will tell), merely its consequence!

"Everybody is wrong about this but me"

Did you read what the bold part was, or is this another failed attempt at getting a rise out of me?

 

[Porthoz]

For what it's worth, Porthoz has the wrong Nikorima brother. Jayden may have started 2014 at fullback, but he only played two games in the position before Byrnes, Kodi, Alick & Taylor all had stints.

On the other hand, Kodi played there 21 times in 2014, making it 28 games total in his NYC career.

That leaves...

Barba (assuming he would have been kept if Wayne wasn't brought in)
Hoffman
Kahu
Milford
Hodges
Maranta
K. Nikorima
Eden

As the alternatives.

Looking at that list, I'm glad the Broncos went with Wayne...

I could've sworn he played most games there until his injury, and when he came back he could only play limited time from the bench in 2014, but you may well be right BP.

 

[talanoa]

Moderators ,might it please be possible to lock this thread for the time been and until we receive official confirnation that JNik is leaving? This place seems to be falling apart at the moment due to all the infighting an "he said/she said" nonsense, as clearly evident in this thread. Look, it is upsetting that players such as JNik feel they need to leave in order for them to get their shot at the big time. But, who can blame them for doing it, right.

Any ways, as i first announced on here exclusively many months ago, JNik will be with Manly next year to partner DCE in the halves. I am so confident of this that if it does not eventuate, i will personally go to the BHQ official headquarters an hand in my BHQ subscription personally to Nashy an never be heard of again!

i suggest that you hand in your subscription.

 

[lynx000]

He's a local junior, his dad captained the Jets and his grandpa played for Australia from Ipswich; I think he was always going to play for the Jets. He'd be the next captain too if he was staying. But he has to take this chance; he's too good to play anymore ISC and at 22 this is his shot.

He got offered a second tier contract last year and naturally took it; he's played NRL now and given the choice between more ISC and maybe NRL or 3 years not having to worry about training for free and match payments with the second tier cap and maybe not being allowed to play at all he took the Manly offer.

Anyone that says they would do differently I say liar.

I absolutely say good on him, and I agree with you, anyone in his position would be doing the same thing. I hope he kicks on because he looks like he could be a likely origin hooker for queensland down the track if he continues to develop and injuries are kind. I just hope that if there is a position available here, he would be willing to come back.

 

[Big Pete]

I could've sworn he played most games there until his injury, and when he came back he could only play limited time from the bench in 2014, but you may well be right BP.

I can hardly blame you. Both him and Kodi play so much like each other, it's easy to confuse the two.

But looking into again, Jayden only played at the back in Round 1 & 4. He then suffered an injury in Round 10, right as Ash Taylor returned from his shoulder injury.

 

[talanoa]

[MENTION=8272]1910[/MENTION], I'll happily agree with you regarding Parcell. You could argue that what got Parcell over the line in terms of attraction to NRL clubs was actually playing him in the top grade, on national TV, but his ability and development was predominantly Q-Cup (Broncos pre-season and pre-game training notwithstanding).

What does interest me though is this - did he want to get a gig with the Broncos, or was his playing with the Jets just a platform? Ie, playing for any NRL-affiliated club would suffice? If it's the former, than surely he would have known that he'd be stuck behind McCullough? Or with the uncertainty surrounding the potential Smith recruitment, did he see or was he advised that Macca isn't as safe as first thought? Or further to that, was a starting position with Brisbane not a necessity, just a Top 25 spot? If it's the latter, ie, his priority was to get any NRL gig, then I can fully understand, and admit that he "used" the Broncos to get exposure just as much as the Broncos "used" him to fill in for Nikorima.

Taylor though, he can get ****ed. If JNik goes too, they can both board the HMAS Go **** Yourself together, hand in hand. They've been in the Broncos system for a long time, and the moment they think they are "ready" for the NRL they completely forget how much time & patience the Broncos have shown with them.

On Bennett's quote, in my opinion it can't be just written off. Someone of his deliberate, purposeful public comments wouldn't use a line like that unless he could back it up. So far Taylor is the only one confirmed, and I'll accept that he's one we were willing to let go. Jayden though is a different story, and I will be disappointed if he goes. Not because I think we desperately need him, but because it will mean that either Bennett has resorted to comments that he knows he can't back up, but are spoken to placate fans, or worse, he (and the Broncos) don't have the ability to retain talent as much as they thought.

i reckon you are being a bit tough on these kids, you have no idea what there backgrounds or family situations are at all so how can you be grudge them to go and earn a living.
if you want to get nitty gritty, what about all the time and money the raiders invested in milford, i bet you didnt say he can get effed when he signed with the broncos.
as for parcell, i say good on him and good luck to him. he has done what is best for him and now he is reaping the rewards for his hard work. lets remember here that bennett, nolan, the other head office and recruitment boys get paid very handsomely every week whic is a stark comparison compared to a parcell or jnik and other young guys coming through and remembering again that the average career of an nrl player is less than 100 games so they need to make the most of it while they can.

 

[GCBRONCO]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ate-to-belong-to/story-fniabm4i-1227487479431

 

[Big Pete]

That's good news.

Greinke, Fai & Pearson all re-signed.

While it appears that Vidot & Dodds will be squeezed out.