Coaching

[1910]

Before I weigh in, I recommend everybody check out the video in the link because the highlights package is very entertaining.

With that said, I don't think Wayne has copied the Walkers at all.

If anything, the Walkers have taken a few pages out of the old Broncos playbook and tweaked them for the Jets.

I'm sure he's a fan of the Walkers and would love to see them enter the NRL as he's a fan of expansive football. He said as much when he described the Tigers play in 2005.

However, I don't buy into Bennett copying anything from Ipswich.

I don't remember Glenn becoming a front row, don't recall Nikorima playing wing, don't recall Kahu playing second row, don't recall Vidot playing prop...

Is Darius Boyd anything like Carlin Anderson?

Scoring tries off kick-offs is one thing, but that isn't a Walker innovation.

I think everyone can see the potential in the Walker brothers. But the incessant amount of shilling by the media and their fans aren't really doing them any favours.

No one has claimed that Bennett is copying everything naming individual players and saying they're aren't the same doesn't disprove that he didn't see a play he likes and use it. Nothing wrong with it if he did.

The media have in lots of ways jumped on; really if you've been watching you've been saying it for four years. The Jets have minimal TV games (two this year) so I am sceptical that people have actually watched.

Even that play aside their is plenty of innovation from the Jets and people aren't looking deeply enough.

 

[Big Pete]

"If he did"

Bingo.

The problem with you and Garry is that you see something and straight away it's copied from the Jets.

I'm sure Des has been talking to the Jets as well considering some of the plays Canterbury have run off a kick-off.

If Bennett was copying from the Jets, it would be more apparent. The Jets line-up is arguably their most defining feature as it allows them to play that brand of footy. Meanwhile, Brisbane are still playing that style of football Wayne has been using for about 10 years now.

 

[1910]

"If he did"

Bingo.

The problem with you and Garry is that you see something and straight away it's copied from the Jets.

I'm sure Des has been talking to the Jets as well considering some of the plays Canterbury have run off a kick-off.

If Bennett was copying from the Jets, it would be more apparent. The Jets line-up is arguably their most defining feature as it allows them to play that brand of footy. Meanwhile, Brisbane are still playing that style of football Wayne has been using for about 10 years now.

That's not true I've never compared them before.

Well you could make that link if Des was at every game, spoke to the Walkers every week, and wanted to do opposed sessions against the Jets.

It's hardly the super unbelievable link that some are making out; coach at a game saw something he liked and implemented it. I am sure it happens all the time.

No that's wrong, the style came before the players; they had little say in their line up. This is how they believe football should be played and the Jets rely mainly on the local IRL comp for players.

 

[1910]

If anybody deserves credit it's this guy...

That's just plagiarism from the Jets themselves.

Attacking Jets set pace - QRL

Both Walkers have been very open about their influences and why they believe football should be played a certain way.

 

[Big Pete]

That's not true I've never compared them before.

Good to see those weekly chats, training sessions and going to Jets' games has Benny paying attention. Straight from the Jets' book that second try. Spread it along the line from kick offs because teams chase the ball and the opposite side has space.

Coaching skills..............It'll never work!

Astute observation but I've read it somewhere before.....

That's just plagiarism from the Jets themselves.

Attacking Jets set pace - QRL

From the Centenary Celebrations actually.

But thank you for providing a pin-point example of exactly what I'm talking about. Not everything revolves around the Jets or the Walkers.

 

[1910]

From the Centenary Celebrations actually.

But thank you for providing a pin-point example of exactly what I'm talking about. Not everything revolves around the Jets or the Walkers.

I would have thought that clearly i meant I have never compared them before this incident to counter your claim of seeing things and comparing them and the inference I do it all the time.

I've never claimed everything revolves around them; but I was playing this song before it became the media tune or fans and I've certainly done my time watching and analysising it so I have no other motive.

I think it the claim really annoys people purely because they don't want to think that anyone other than the NRL could come up with something or contribute anything. It's a bit like music that can't be good because it isn't on commercial radio thinking.

The article I posted was the first one to talk about the Walkers and contract football; no one had done it yet. That article was from nearly two seasons ago. Since then several have been written using the term or in this case pictures posted.

 

[Big Pete]

I wasn't comparing the Walkers to Thompson, I was talking about Thompson's influence on Bennett which was pointed out during the Centenary Celebrations.

Again not everything is about the Jets or the Walkers.

 

[1910]

I wasn't comparing the Walkers to Thompson, I was talking about Thompson's influence on Bennett which was pointed out during the Centenary Celebrations.

Again not everything is about the Jets or the Walkers.

I didn't mention any comparison.

If you don't want to talk about them don't post in a thread about their coaching. Seems simple.

 

[Big Pete]

I didn't mention anything about not wanting to talk about them.

I just said not everything revolves around them or the Jets.

Such as Bennett's influences which is what we're discussing right now.

 

[Mr Fourex]

I'm so glad the Walker brothers are so innovative they coached their players how to side step and palm players off. I mean, I've never seen anything like it before. That video didn't show anything. I understand they like short kicks offs and passing early in the set, but that video had none of that.

I'm glad I read on to your comment while the video was still playing. I was halfway through and still couldn't quite see what 1910's point was. Fairly standard stuff

.....other than the woeful defence on display.

 

[1910]

I'm glad I read on to your comment while the video was still playing. I was halfway through and still couldn't quite see what 1910's point was. Fairly standard stuff

.....other than the woeful defence on display.

I didn't make the video or the content of the post- it was the Courier Mail.

 

[1910]

Watching a two minute clip isn't going to reveal much; what do you want to see players running on their hands? They're not a circus act. Watching a try and saying well they pass the same as everyone else and they run on their feet so it's no different to any other team isn't the whole story.

The skills they're using of course are the same as everyone else; that's the sport.

Two things stand out. They use skills more often than any other team; not saying they're more skilful but they use skills more. It's all based on time with the ball the Jets know how long they have the ball and how long each set is and how long the other team have the ball and how long each of their sets are taking. They're making the other team work harder for longer and then using skills and speed to beat them.

If as you claim 'every team does it' which teams base their play on time? I'd be interested to know.

The Jets have scored 35% of their tries from outside the 50- the Broncos have scored 13%, Storm 8%, Roosters 13%. (Before anyone says the NRL defence is stronger yes I know.) But the stat highlights the skills being used.

The Jets could have the next five TV games in a row; if they keep winning. If people watch I think they'll have a much better understanding of what they're trying to do and why than any youtube clip.

 

[Mr Fourex]

THIS is the video that proves an NRL club must hire Ipswich Jets coaches Ben and Shane Walker and why Wayne Bennett attends every Jets game.

Watching a two minute clip isn't going to reveal much; what do you want to see players running on their hands? They're not a circus act.

:noidea:

Confusing ....

 

[1910]

:noidea:

Confusing ....

Certainly is confusing; how you can't comprehend I don't own the Courier Mail so I'm not accountable for what they write.

Go three times? That article isn't me.

 

[1910]

WITH one team into a grand final and another a win away from it, Ipswich Jets chairman Steve Johnson is a proud man. But this year's Queensland Cup performances are the end result of what has been a much bigger, tougher journey, going back to 2010.
That year the Jets claimed the Queensland Cup wooden spoon and coach Glenn Lazarus walked out before the season had even finished.
The decision to hand the reigns to untried assistant coaches Ben and Shane Walker may just have been the smartest thing the club ever did.
In the five years since, the club has made the Queensland Cup finals every season, with the Reserve grade side twice making the grand final, including tomorrow's Brisbane Rugby League grand final against Wynnum Manly at Langlands Park, Coorparoo.
If the Jets win their Queensland Cup preliminary final against PNG at Wynnum on Sunday they will also advance to the grand final.
"Whatever happens from here this season I am privileged to chair the best little rugby league club in the world," Johnson said.
"In 2010 we were broke and finished last.
"We decided to make a stand against what we believed was ruining our club and our game."
That meant taking risks, or so it seemed to most from the outside looking in.
The Walker brothers embarked on a change in the style of footy the Jets played.
It was based on the players they had at their disposal and how best to maximise their limited resources.
It was also based around aspects of the game the Walkers recognised could be exploited because players and coaches had become so set in their ways they were overlooking the obvious.
Why, the Walker brothers asked, would you deliberately instruct your players to run straight into defences who expect that is exactly what you're going to do and are prepared for it.
So the Walkers invested in their own form of Moneyball, the football management system that brought then Oakland Athletics baseball manager Billy Beane to fame.
They showed the door to the likes of former best and fairest prop Aaron Sweeney, investing instead in local talent and lower profile players in whom the Walkers identified more crucial qualities than raw talent.
An appetite for hard work and competitiveness were the values cherished by the Walkers.
Off the field the club adopted new values as a community leader.
"The mighty Ipswich Jets have changed lives forever and for the better on and off the field," Johnson said.
"We returned the club to the community by becoming a leader of change, based off our Community Engagement Program.
"This included our Equality Commitment, the only one in Australian sport.
"On the field we returned the club to playing a game and having fun; which is the point of a game after all."


Hard work and tough decisions begin to pay off for Jets | Ipswich Queensland Times

 

[I bleed Maroon]

The Broncos need to hire these guys. Bennett has already been tutoring them anyway....Or was it the other way around?

 

[Huge]

Great stuff happening in my old town and it's nice to see the Jets in such a good place. Sometimes it takes just one person to set everyone on a good path.

 

[1910]

The Broncos need to hire these guys. Bennett has already been tutoring them anyway....Or was it the other way around?

They don't want assistant jobs. They've signed onto the Jets for another two years. They'll keep coaching ISC until they get a head role.