[Confirmed] Ben Barba signs with Cronulla

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Anonymous person said:
Can I ask why people are now on the "milfords best position is definitely five eighth" opinion?

Is it seriously just cause Bennett said hes going to play five eighth? His running game is his big weapon. Thats how he scores tries, thats how he sets up tries. Its what he has done for 2 seasons now. Fullback is the best position for players of his style for sure, no questions about it. They get the ball with 20+ metres between them and the defenders, with a broken line, and can just do their thing. He has absolutely dominated at fullback for a shit team for 2 years, then played a few mediocre games at five eighth and then a few good ones against the 2 worst clubs in the competition. He also stunk it up at five eighth in the under 20s origin.

I seriously cant understand how all of a sudden everyone is sure that five eighth is his best position. It makes no sense.

Oh and also, with the CEO confirming that theyre signing Boyd and announcing within the week most likely, is that enough proof yet that we're signing him? Or is it still just a rumour that is without base and that we should disregard?
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I've always believed that 6 is milfords best position.

How many sarcastic claps do you want?
 
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You didn't answer the question of why. He has been incredible at fullback, where he has played 90% of his games, yet you believe he'd be a better five eighth because......?
 
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Anonymous person said:
You didn't answer the question of why. He has been incredible at fullback, where he has played 90% of his games, yet you believe he'd be a better five eighth because......?
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I believe his future lies in the halves and think it is best to keep developing there. You talk like speed and agility won't be an asset at 6. He has vision and will be a great foil for hunt, I really don't see the issue.

I top of all that we need a 6 so really what is the problem?

You keep talking about barba the wunderkind, yet if Milford is fullback like you want where would you put barba? Surely your not suggesting barba is a better 6 than Milford?
 
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broncos4life said:
I believe his future lies in the halves and think it is best to keep developing there. You talk like speed and agility won't be an asset at 6. He has vision and will be a great foil for hunt, I really don't see the issue.

I top of all that we need a 6 so really what is the problem?

You keep talking about barba the wunderkind, yet if Milford is fullback like you want where would you put barba? Surely your not suggesting barba is a better 6 than Milford?
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I can't speak for [MENTION=2115]Anonymous person[/MENTION], but for me, I think we should be putting one of our most dangerous players in the position that he could have the greatest impact, and IMO that is fullback.

I would have given Barba a shot at 6 to start next season, he was starting to show a few good signs (even if it was against weaker opposition) and a full off season in the position could have done him wonders. If Barba was still playing poorly, the we could have promoted Taylor or one of the Nikorimas and given them a shot, or even purchase someone to fill the spot next season.

I have always been of the belief that Milford would end up in the 6 jumper, but why rush him, let him develop his skills at the back first before putting him into the jersey that has arguably the most pressure associated with it, having been worn by the likes of Lewis, Walters and Lockyer.
 
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Milford's skill set is far better suited to fullback IMO. He did have some success in the 6 jersey at the back end but the responsibility stiffled him. Milford is best when he can do what he wants and has the freedom to play what is in front of him. Often that just means not doing anything because he doesn't see an opportunity. At five-eight he looked burdened at times trying to force himself into the game and it ended up with him just being ineffective.

And for mine most of his best moments in a #6 jersey came as a result of him operating close to the ruck, even out of dummy half off quick play the balls. Things that he could still do as a fullback. Milford throws a great pass when there's a gap, but I don't think that strength really makes him a five-eight. His kicking game is also average by NRL half standards.

Which is not to say he won't be awesome at all those things with time. I think he will be and go on to be a very good five-eight. But I believe he could do all those things as a fullback, with the added benefit of the space that playing the position creates.
 
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Just to be different I will say that I think putting at five-eight now will not only help the team (best halves combination we have), but his game in the long term. After all what is wrong with starting at five-eight earlier? It just gives him a chance to for a combination and grows his skills in that position now.
 
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I just hope Barba stays as depth and to keep Boyd and the rest of the squad honest.

One of Hunt, Milford or Boyd go down and we're completely, 2013, fucked.

Also, likely that 2/3 and or even all 3 get called up for Origin.
 
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subsbligh said:
I just hope Barba stays as depth and to keep Boyd and the rest of the squad honest.

One of Hunt, Milford or Boyd go down and we're completely, 2013, ****ed.

Also, likely that 2/3 and or even all 3 get called up for Origin.
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Good chance to see some of younger players get a go.
 
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@broncos4life , do you genuinely, honestly believe that bennett is 100% bringing boyd here because "he knows his structures" and he genuinely believes he is the best player for the broncos fullback spot?? Honest question.

If so, you are one naive and gullible poster. If you can't see they have a relationship offield that transcends football then there is no pointing talking to you. It is a well known fact that they have some weird ass father-son relationship going on, so for you to suggest hes bringing boyd purely for the club then you are just making yourself look foolish. Maybe part of the reason is he actually believes that, but if we are being realistic here (and i think you are not) then you have to admit that part of the reason he is coming here, perhaps the main reason he is coming here, is because of their special off-field romance.

Your response to why milfords best position is 6 answered nothing at all either. You always take aim at AP for not providing facts or reasons to back up his opinion yet you give this vague and irrelevant answer for why 6 is milfords best spot

I believe his future lies in the halves and think it is best to keep developing there. You talk like speed and agility won't be an asset at 6. He has vision and will be a great foil for hunt, I really don't see the issue.

I top of all that we need a 6 so really what is the problem?

You keep talking about barba the wunderkind, yet if Milford is fullback like you want where would you put barba? Surely your not suggesting barba is a better 6 than Milford?
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Ok. We know you believe his future lies in the halves. He would be a great foil for hunt. We need a 6.

ANSWER THE QUESTION

Actually give attributes and evidence of what you have seen from him that would make him a decent 6.

Ill give you an example of how to do this, stating why we KNOW he is a great fullback
1. Fantastic in broken play
2. Brilliant backup skills
3. Good under the high ball
4. Excels when given the chance to roam the field and not be placed in 1 spot.
5. Plays well off his halves, they give him a bit of space and then he is able to get 1 on 1 with a defender.

Reasons he is not a 6
1. His defence is horrible
2. At this stage, he is not great under defensive pressure and seems to push the pass when swamped by defence
3. His kicking game isnt fantastic
4. Without the space that fullback gives him he cant take advantage of his blistering pace

Now, lets see if you can answer the question properly this time instead of just "i think his future is in the halves coz he will be good with hunt". Dont ignore the boyd question either, because i am genuinely curious as to how naive you are
 
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subsbligh said:
Milford is the best young fullback in the game (over Tedesco, Moylan)

He's the best fullback on our roster (Boyd included).
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Not according to the person who has the final say.

it'll take something major to make Wayne change his mind too i reckon .... stubborn old prick :laugh:
 
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QUEENSLANDER said:
Reasons he is not a 6
1. His defence is horrible
2. At this stage, he is not great under defensive pressure and seems to push the pass when swamped by defence
3. His kicking game isnt fantastic
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You talking about Barba or Milford?
 
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i would say those three things would more apply more to milford than barba from the games i've seen of them both at 6

if i had my way milford would probably be the 1 with barba at 6 and boyd in the centres (pushing copley to wing which is a shame but not the end of the world).
 
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At the risk of transcending 4 different dump threads that's used to filter various arguments, here's my take on it:

Bennett is a great coach, is our best option as coach, and will give us the best chance of success. However I don't agree with this move. We would be best served with a spine of Milford, Barba, Hunt, McCullough. I believe that Wayne holds certain things in life above football, one of those is his relationship with Darius. It is not the best footballing move to have Boyd here, he is surplus to our requirements and is in all likelihood the reason we are shuffling the salary cap decks. It is most definitely a conflict of interest.

In saying that, I don't think Bennett would do it if it meant he would not be able to deliver on-field. While it is not the best team that we could possibly field, Boyd, Milford, Hunt, McCullough is still a very strong spine. When all is said and done, I would prefer to have this compromise and have Bennett coaching our team, as opposed to a team that I might feel is more capable but coached by a lesser coach.
 
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Morkel said:
At the risk of transcending 4 different dump threads that's used to filter various arguments, here's my take on it:

Bennett is a great coach, is our best option as coach, and will give us the best chance of success. However I don't agree with this move. We would be best served with a spine of Milford, Barba, Hunt, McCullough. I believe that Wayne holds certain things in life above football, one of those is his relationship with Darius. It is not the best footballing move to have Boyd here, he is surplus to our requirements and is in all likelihood the reason we are shuffling the salary cap decks. It is most definitely a conflict of interest.

In saying that, I don't think Bennett would do it if it meant he would not be able to deliver on-field. While it is not the best team that we could possibly field, Boyd, Milford, Hunt, McCullough is still a very strong spine. When all is said and done, I would prefer to have this compromise and have Bennett coaching our team, as opposed to a team that I might feel is more capable but coached by a lesser coach.
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I don't necessarily agree or disagree with most of that, all I will say is the spine looks a lot more balanced with boyd in it. Many people in the media etc have been saying for a long time they have doubts how a spine of barba and milf would work as they are too similar. They are obviously saying this for a reason.

But that's the end of my input into this whole saga, it's gotten ridiculous and sooner or later people will have to realise that despite what they think is the best team is boyd will be the fullback, so suck it up.

FTR that last paragraph wasn't directed at you
 
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Edit: meant to post in the Blake Ferguson thread.
 
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