Daniel Anderson faces sack from the unhappy Eels

[Porthoz]

Based on what?

Uhh, the lack of aggression by our forwards? [icon_shru

:roll: Please. People overate those decisions so much. I'll concede Te'o was a silly decision but I couldn't blame him for Tunza and Gillett. Both players they were covering weren't ready.

Are you serious? Those decisions single handedly cost us any chance of getting a result in those games, period!

[icon_lol1. oh yeah the Eels certainly showed some creativity in attack now didn't they. I agree with Henjak being a poor defensive coach, but attack is his forte and the Broncos are playing some of the best attacking footy since the 90's.

If we drop Henjak for Anderson, we're no better than Parramatta.

I agree that we're more adventurous, but what in hell does that have to do with set plays?

Henjak plays a more attacking brand of footy, but that's not his forte. It's better because he released them from the shackles of WB style footy. But he doesn't really have a forte...
What he does have is a few worrying weaknesses, and the defense that you so quickly dismissed is by far the most important one.
I don't know if you've paid attention to the finals, but pretty much all games were won on the back of a solid defense (except the Raiders-Tigers game), sometimes complemented by good attacking play once the result was "safe".

Now, it's pretty certain he will be our coach for next season, so the only thing I really hope is that he learns from the past 2 years and makes me eat loads of humble pie!

 

[Porthoz]

Based on what?

Uhh, the lack of aggression by our forwards? [icon_shru
[quote="Big Pete":3jo3vaym] :roll: Please. People overate those decisions so much. I'll concede Te'o was a silly decision but I couldn't blame him for Tunza and Gillett. Both players they were covering weren't ready.

Are you serious? Those decisions single handedly cost us any chance of getting a result in those games, period!

[icon_lol1. oh yeah the Eels certainly showed some creativity in attack now didn't they. I agree with Henjak being a poor defensive coach, but attack is his forte and the Broncos are playing some of the best attacking footy since the 90's.

If we drop Henjak for Anderson, we're no better than Parramatta.

I agree that we're more adventurous, but what in hell does that have to do with set plays?

Henjak plays a more attacking brand of footy, but that's not his forte. It's better because he released them from the shackles of WB style footy. Fact is that he doesn't really have a forte...
What he does have is a few worrying weaknesses, and the defense that you so quickly dismissed is by far the most important one.
I don't know if you've paid attention to the finals, but pretty much all games were won on the back of a solid defense (except the Raiders-Tigers game), sometimes complemented by good attacking play once the result was "safe".

Now, it's pretty certain he will be our coach for next season, so the only thing I really hope is that he learns from the past 2 years and makes me eat loads of humble pie![/quote:3jo3vaym]

 

[Foordy]

[eusa_doh What would Anderson achieve at the Broncos that Henjak couldn't?

- Better defense to start with.
- More aggression in the forwards.
- Less brain farts such as Tunza at 5/8, Gillett as 5/8 and Te'o as prop (with alternatives available), therefore weakening our strongest sector.
- Maybe a few other set plays than the usual one we go for and is now pretty much universally known and prepared against by our adversaries.

But not if it's true that Anderson has "communication issues" though.

even the great Wayne Bennett is using a back row at prop ATM, Neville Costigan has been playing prop for a number of weeks now

 

[Big Pete]

Uhh, the lack of aggression by our forwards? [icon_shru

When did Ando ever get anything out of the Parra forwards? Hell, Henjak has three awesome Dragons performances (lead by aggressive forward work), Warriors '09 and Storm '10 to his name. What does Ando have?

Are you serious? Those decisions single handedly cost us any chance of getting a result in those games, period!

Yes seriously it was 50 minutes of Gillett playing five eigth that did it...not the other 270 minutes of failure.

I agree that we're more adventurous, but what in hell does that have to do with set plays?

The fact we're using more?

Back in the day, we relied heavily on one play...the third man spread to the wing. Now we have the in ball/out ball, sweep play (see Folau try Round 2), kick to Folau (of course gone for now) the face ball to Tronc/hit and spin. Prey tell what plays did Parra ever use?

The only decent thing Ando could offer us is d and to me it's only a matter of time before Henjak works that out.

 

[Je$ter]

[eusa_doh What would Anderson achieve at the Broncos that Henjak couldn't?

- Better defense to start with.
- More aggression in the forwards.
- Less brain farts such as Tunza at 5/8, Gillett as 5/8 and Te'o as prop (with alternatives available), therefore weakening our strongest sector.
- Maybe a few other set plays than the usual one we go for and is now pretty much universally known and prepared against by our adversaries.

But not if it's true that Anderson has "communication issues" though.

even the great Wayne Bennett is using a back row at prop ATM, Neville Costigan has been playing prop for a number of weeks now

Neville Costigan is a totally different player to Te'o. Te'o works better on a fringe, whereas Costigan is one of those hard-nosed up and down type players.

 

[Porthoz]

The only decent thing Ando could offer us is d and to me it's only a matter of time before Henjak works that out.

This is a discussion that would go on forever, but your last sentence is the core of the matter.
Will he really work it out? He has one hell of a job ahead of him... From NRL.COM:

The Broncos’ defence bordered on inept at times and despite the efforts of their impressive back row they struggled to contain opposition sides up the middle.
They ranked second worst for metres conceded (at almost 1400 per game); line-breaks conceded and missed tackles. They were also the worst team in the premiership when it came to stopping offloads, with their opponents averaging 14.6 against them.

 

[Anonymous person]

even the great Wayne Bennett is using a back row at prop ATM, Neville Costigan has been playing prop for a number of weeks now

and lets not forget that Wayne Bennett also made PLENTY of absolutely ridiculous positional choices. Stagg played 5/8th for us under Bennett. Tonie Carroll played 5/8th under Bennett. Steve Michaels actually played under Bennett.

 

[Big Pete]

None of that surprises me, especially with the start and finish we had. I have faith in that 2011 our defence will improve considerably.

But seriously, the way your post read it basically said that Anderson was the perfect coach and he has no faults...if that's true the guy wouldn't be getting the sack! Especially with the roster he had (and yes beads, the Eels roster was superior to the Broncos roster).

 

[Porthoz]

None of that surprises me, especially with the start and finish we had. I have faith in that 2011 our defence will improve considerably.

But seriously, the way your post read it basically said that Anderson was the perfect coach and he has no faults...if that's true the guy wouldn't be getting the sack! Especially with the roster he had (and yes beads, the Eels roster was superior to the Broncos roster).

In no way do I think Ando is a perfect coach, in fact I don't believe there is such a thing.
I do believe he would do much better than Henjak who I don't rate and in whom I have no faith at all... [icon_shru

And I'd rather our next season would come down to more than what it seems to come down to... Faith! [icon_ee

 

[Big Pete]

I do believe he would do much better than Henjak who I don't rate and in whom I have no faith at all... [icon_shru

Based on what? How has Ando proved he's better than Henjak.

 

[Porthoz]

I do believe he would do much better than Henjak who I don't rate and in whom I have no faith at all... [icon_shru

Based on what? How has Ando proved he's better than Henjak.

Wow, that's actually a serious question?
Show me any team Ando has coached that has anywhere near the damaging stats I pointed out before?
But as I said before, it's a matter of faith, and I have very little in IH... [icon_shru

 

[Big Pete]

Show me any team Ando has coached that has anywhere near the damaging stats I pointed out before?

Warriors 2004

And here's the big one...

Despite fielding an awesome squad...Ando achieved less than Henjak this season. But nah, let's chase after him because AuDragon has no faith in Henjak because he played Gillett at five eigth for 50 minutes over Norman.

 

[Porthoz]

Show me any team Ando has coached that has anywhere near the damaging stats I pointed out before?

Warriors 2004

And here's the big one...

Despite fielding an awesome squad...Ando achieved less than Henjak this season. But nah, let's chase after him because AuDragon has no faith in Henjak because he played Gillett at five eigth for 50 minutes over Norman.

I think you're getting a bit carried away in your crusade. :roll:
Nowhere have I said that we should chase Ando or anyone else for that matter, but I would prefer ANY of the coaches talked about in this thread over Henjak. I DO NOT RATE HIM, get over it!
Besides, my grief with Henjak is about the absolute appalling defense the team has showed in the 2 years he has been in charge!
Using players out of position, weakening not only that position as the one they came from is nothing short of idiotic, but that is far from our biggest problem.

I could also say, yeah let's keep Henjak because Big Pete has FAITH that he will solve that gaping hole they call a defense. [eusa_doh
I'm entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else, and I think you know better than to get personal and use stupid and false arguments. So you know where you can shove your sarcasm... [eusa_naugh

 

[Porthoz]

Oooooo fight! fight! fight! fight! fight! fight!

If only he was a NSW'ker! [icon_razz1

 

[Big Pete]

My apologies AuDragon, I assumed by +3'ing Brizz's post you were implying we should flick Henjak for Anderson in a heartbeat. Your subsequent posts about Ando fixing just about any possible problem seem to support that theory.

My faith is based on the fact our roster and has improved considerably, our coaching staff will be settled and there have been times where Henjak has demonstrated a great defensive game plan. Hell, we've out Dragon'd the Dragons. It isn't exactly blind or unreasonable as some of your points which were all justifiable.

Anyways, we'll save this for PM or another thread yeah? Let's LOL @ Parra.

 

[Porthoz]

My apologies AuDragon, I assumed by +3'ing Brizz's post you were implying we should flick Henjak for Anderson in a heartbeat. Your subsequent posts about Ando fixing just about any possible problem seem to support that theory.

My faith is based on the fact our roster and has improved considerably, our coaching staff will be settled and there have been times where Henjak has demonstrated a great defensive game plan. Hell, we've out Dragon'd the Dragons. It isn't exactly blind or unreasonable as some of your points which were all justifiable.

Anyways, we'll save this for PM or another thread yeah? Let's LOL @ Parra.

Cheers icon_thumbs_u

P.S. That will be disappointing for some people looking for blood... [icon_razz1

 

[Anonymous person]

Using players out of position, weakening not only that position as the one they came from is nothing short of idiotic, but that is far from our biggest problem.

so it was just as idiotic when Wayne Bennett did it every other month too? or is it just when henjak does it....

 

[Porthoz]

Using players out of position, weakening not only that position as the one they came from is nothing short of idiotic, but that is far from our biggest problem.

so it was just as idiotic when Wayne Bennett did it every other month too? or is it just when henjak does it....

It's idiotic whenever anyone does it. But that's where any comparison between the 2 starts and stops. Mentioning both names in the same sentence is almost a sacrilege!