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[Kaz]

Well Hazem wasn't even named as a suspect, so why should he have to give his DNA.

The cops knew he wasn't involved.

 

[Browny]

People with nothing to hide.... hide nothing.

fcuk me dead Kaz you now know what the cops were thinking!!

I dont know wether or not Hasem can by Law or Religion not cooperate but if you were innocent why would you?!

If he had of cooperated he probably would have cleared eg

Police: "What were you doing at the time of the incident?"

Hasem: "kicking broncospwn out of my hotel room"

Police: " Oh him again, thanks Hasem your free to go"

 

[Kaz]

Any citizen has a right not to give DNA etc even after the police ask nicely.

The cops can get court order to take DNA.

Browny, the cops were only after 6 players, 4 in particular & yes they knew who they were & Hazem wasn't one of them.

 

[schmix]

I can never understand why people get all uppity about cooperating with police when they're innocent. Give them what they want, clear your name, and they'll leave you alone! What the hell is the point of refusing?? [icon_shru

 

[Kaz]

Just because the police ask you, doesn't mean they are correct in the law.

Some police may try & scare people in doing what the want.

If the police want evidence etc let them get a court order, 8/10 they won't as they know the person has done nothing wrong

 

[Kimlo]

Star player Hazem El Masri yesterday told officers he would not cooperate with their investigations because he was insulted that he was being dragged into the sex scandal.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/ ... 14906.html

No mention of his religion & the media would have reported about it if he used his religion.

That's even worse than playing the religion card. Not co-operating with the police because your pride is hurt makes you a dick.

It doesn't matter what the reason, if you're not a suspect and it's your legal right not to.
If I was told by the cops to give DNA evidence for something I had no involvement in and wasn't even a suspect I would say get fucked in nicer words ;) The REASON does not matter, It's my legal right not to and besides I haven't actually seen a quote from Hazem saying he didn't give evidence because religion, looks like the media calling bullshit without evidence.

Just likes cops will do everything in their legal rights to get something done, citizens also have a right to exercise their legal rights.

 

[Coxy]

But why? Why would you refuse if you have nothing to hide?

 

[dukey]

Fair enough Scotty, I guess I wasd dumbfounded more by what Nashy said that what you were saying. But I don't agree with you. By should it be against the law not to give evidence?

I'd do the same thing in Hazem's situation. If a group of mates were questioned over an incident like that and if I was not there at the time, then there's no way I'd drag myself into it and DNA.

So if Hazem didn't want to do it for religous reasons then so be it. It's not different to people not wanting to assist for various other reasons.

What if the original description of the assailants was 'some of the Bulldogs players staying at Resort X'? El Masri was a guest at the resort at the time of the incident,. When the police ask for a DNA sample from someone who publicly is not a suspect, it's to eliminate them from the scene of the crime. All he had to do was spit on a cotton swab and his innocence would be proven beyond any reproach.

Hazem says: "This was not, as many people reported, about my religion. It was about my self-respect, my right not to be declared guilty by association.

Read: Pride. In the end, all it did was cast further doubt on his story. And it potentially could have interfered with the investigation, when the only point of it was not to lump him in with suspected rapists, but instead to clear him from suspicion.

 

[Kaz]

fcuk me dead Kaz you now know what the cops were thinking!!

I certainly do.

El Masri attended the police interview with his lawyer, Adam Houda.

"When we arrived, Adam established through talking to the police that I was not a suspect and that is where it should begin and end.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/ ... 96826.html

 

[Kaz]

But why? Why would you refuse if you have nothing to hide?

It's our legal right to refuse.

 

[Kimlo]

I can never understand why people get all uppity about cooperating with police when they're innocent. Give them what they want, clear your name, and they'll leave you alone! What the hell is the point of refusing?? [icon_shru

It's a legal right, just like the cops have a legal right to question you, detain suspects, etc Citizens have a legal right to not bow down to the cops and give them w/e they are asking if you don't have too.

 

[Browny]

Yes it is your right to refuse. Coxy me and dukey dont deny that.

The question we are asking is: IF YOU were innocent of said crime why would you not just do the fcuking test to clear all doubt surrounding you. It is in your best interests as even your family and friends no matter how much they trust you etc would still have some doubts.

Refusing and jumping up and down about civil/legal/religous rights or whatever would only look to me (as a cop) extremely suss and I would get a court order.

 

[dukey]

It's also your right to engage in a homosexual relationship.
Point being, just because you're allowed, doesn't mean you're obliged.

 

[Kimlo]

Fair enough Scotty, I guess I wasd dumbfounded more by what Nashy said that what you were saying. But I don't agree with you. By should it be against the law not to give evidence?

I'd do the same thing in Hazem's situation. If a group of mates were questioned over an incident like that and if I was not there at the time, then there's no way I'd drag myself into it and DNA.

So if Hazem didn't want to do it for religous reasons then so be it. It's not different to people not wanting to assist for various other reasons.

What if the original description of the assailants was 'some of the Bulldogs players staying at Resort X'? El Masri was a guest at the resort at the time of the incident,. When the police ask for a DNA sample from someone who publicly is not a suspect, it's to eliminate them from the scene of the crime. All he had to do was spit on a cotton swab and his innocence would be proven beyond any reproach.

Hazem says: "This was not, as many people reported, about my religion. It was about my self-respect, my right not to be declared guilty by association.

Read: Pride. In the end, all it did was cast further doubt on his story. And it potentially could have interfered with the investigation, when the only point of it was not to lump him in with suspected rapists, but instead to clear him from suspicion.

Ok so cool that has already proven religion has nothing to do with it, so there goes nashy's argument.
"it potentially could have interfered with the investigation"... You can't be serious? He's not a suspect, end of story, he should not have to give police anything at all, that's his legal right and there's a good reason people have the right to refuse.

Anyway, if this is the worst thing hazem has done as a person which is exercised his legal rights and that makes him a dick then 99.9% of people are dicks [icon_wink

 

[Kimlo]

Yes it is your right to refuse. Coxy me and dukey dont deny that.

The question we are asking is: IF YOU were innocent of said crime why would you not just do the fcuking test to clear all doubt surrounding you. It is in your best interests as even your family and friends no matter how much they trust you etc would still have some doubts.

Refusing and jumping up and down about civil/legal/religous rights or whatever would only look to me (as a cop) extremely suss and I would get a court order.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4885833865
There we go. Just because you are innocent doesn't mean you should have to "cooperate" with anything the cops to say to "clear" your name especially when your not even a suspect to begin with.

 

[schmix]

I can never understand why people get all uppity about cooperating with police when they're innocent. Give them what they want, clear your name, and they'll leave you alone! What the hell is the point of refusing?? [icon_shru

It's a legal right, just like the cops have a legal right to question you, detain suspects, etc Citizens have a legal right to not bow down to the cops and give them w/e they are asking if you don't have too.

Lol is "legal right" the new catchphrase around here?? I KNOW it's everyone's legal right. I am asking why people bother exercising this right?

 

[Browny]

Feel like headbutting a brickwall!!

We all get the fact its peoples rights to refuse to do what the Police say (to a certain extant)

broncospwn and Kaz - if it would clear your name why the fcuk would you not do it?

 

[Kaz]

But Hazem's name was cleared before they asked for DNA.

He wasn't a suspect.

Read my post on Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:59 pm