Final last words before Origin 3 2012 - share thoughts and predictions

I think Gagai is a Queenslander too. And so is Will Chambers -- hopefully his illness disappears as he was going great this year and would surely have been playing Origin 3 if fit.

And for all the talk of code hopping, I wouldn't rule out seeing a Flying Folau in maroon again.
 
And for all the talk of code hopping, I wouldn't rule out seeing a Flying Folau in maroon again.

Yeh good point. Backs look good, just need more depth in the halves. We will get more depth in the outside backs as the youngsters develop.

I'd be confident in McGuire and Kennedy laying the foundations up front.

My main hope would be that we don't end up like the Aussie cricket team, that was so dominant when the stars were available but when they retired we went to crap (just picking it back up now) and it looks like that's not gonna happen, although not expecting the same dominance as we are currently experiencing obviously.
 
I think Gagai is a Queenslander too. And so is Will Chambers -- hopefully his illness disappears as he was going great this year and would surely have been playing Origin 3 if fit.

And for all the talk of code hopping, I wouldn't rule out seeing a Flying Folau in maroon again.

Came here to add these 2 names. I think they will both make the QLD team before the likes of O'Niell, Lee and Moga
 
Always difficult to predict the future, particularly with sport where 5 minutes can be a long time.

Let's do a comparison to the past.

Let's compare the 96 side and see where they were at in '91, the end of the Lewis era.

Robbie O'Davis - 19, year off playing first grade.
Brett Dallas - 17, didn't become an NRL regular until '93
Steve Renouf - 21, had made his Origin debut albeit off the bench.
Matt Sing - 16, 2 years shy off making his NRL debut.
Wendell Sailor - 17, didn't become an NRL regular until '94
Jason Smith - 19, didn't become a regular first grader until '93
Allan Langer - 25, an Origin great with a not so great record.
Tony Hearn - 22, didn't make his debut until '92.
Wayne Bartrim - 20, had just made his debut that season.
Gary Larson - 24, had just made his Origin debut.
Trevor Gillmeister - 27, an Origin mainstay at that point.
Brad Thorn - 16, made his debut in '94.
Billy Moore - 20, had played first grade since '89.

Alan Cann - 20, made his club debut the previous year.
Adrian Lam - 21, wouldn't play first grade until '94.
Craig Greenhill - 19, wouldn't play first grade until '95.
Michael Hancock - 22, made his Origin debut in '89.

Mark Coyne - 24, first grade regular and had made his Origin debut off the bench in 1990.
Julian O'Neil - 19, had just made his first grade debut.
Steve Walters - 26, arguably the best hooker in the game & one of our best that series. Had only made his Origin debut the season before.
Andrew Gee - 21, made his Origin debut the series before.
Kevin Walters - 24, just made his debut for Queensland.
Willie Carne - 22, one of the best wingers in the game at the time.
Dale Shearer - 26, an Origin mainstay and a hero who scored the match winner.
Owen Cunningham - 24, had been playing first grade for 5 years at that point, only played one true Origin game though.

That list displays two things.

Just how much the divide of ARL & SL hurt the Queensland side. So many Origin regulars left out for the '95 side then brought back in after a loss. Doesn't seem like the QRL was on the same page from the get-go.

But 2, how many players weren't even on the radar at the time. Particularly when it comes to backs. You really have to gamble when it comes to making these predictions so you could see the most obscure name on there and sure enough it could be correct in 5 years time.

Probably all common knowledge, but it's sort of interesting when put into practice.
 
Out of the current Queensland side, I reckon the following will still be playing first grade...

Darius Boyd - 29
Cooper Cronk - 33
Matt Gillett - 28
Ben Hannant - 32
Greg Inglis - 30
Nate Myles - 32
Dane Nielsen - 32
Matthew Scott - 31
Cam Smith - 34
Dave Taylor - 28
Ben Te'o - 30
Sam Thaiday - 32
Jonathan Thurston - 34
Jharal Yow Yeh - 28

Whether those 32+ year olds will be Origin standard remains to be seen but I can see a few of them sticking around.

Coming through the ranks...

Corey Norman - 26
Andrew McCullough - 27
Josh McGuire - 27
Dale Copley - 26
Kurt Baptiste - 26
David Hala - 28
Lachlan Maranta - 25
Aaron Whitchurch - 25
Mitchell Frei - 25
Edrick Lee - 25
Ben Barba - 28
Matt Srama - 26
Daly Cherry-Evans - 28
Dane Gagai - 26
Ray Thompson - 27
James Segeyaro - 27
Michael Morgan - 26
Patrick O'Hanlon - 26
Junior Vaivai - 27
Daniel Vidot - 27
Jake Friend - 27
Lama Tasi - 27
Aidan Guerra - 29
Martin Kennedy - 28
Tautau Moga - 24

Then you have 20s players like Caleb Timu, Francis Molo, Corey Oates, Soape Palau, Anthony Milford, Malcom Congoo, Moses Mybe, Hymel Hunt, Sam Harrold, Ben Hampton, Kurt Mann, Korbin Sims, Zac Santo, Chris Grevmuhl, Luke Keary, Dylan Napa, Tuiala Togitasi etc. etc. who could become anything.

With the potential of Folau & possibly Hunt returning we should be alright. I don't think we'll see any selections like Flannery @ five eigth.
 
But on the present...(I promise this will be the last post)

Everything seems to be aligning for a NSW victory but this is when Queensland is dangerous. In front of a packed Suncorp stadium boyd on by Bulla's last game I can see the boys lifting and NSW can't afford that.

Game will be won or lost inside the opening 20. Queensland well and truly know this.
 
Out of the current Queensland side, I reckon the following will still be playing first grade...

Darius Boyd - 29
Cooper Cronk - 33
Matt Gillett - 28
Ben Hannant - 32
Greg Inglis - 30
Nate Myles - 32
Dane Nielsen - 32
Matthew Scott - 31
Cam Smith - 34
Dave Taylor - 28
Ben Te'o - 30
Sam Thaiday - 32
Jonathan Thurston - 34
Jharal Yow Yeh - 28

Whether those 32+ year olds will be Origin standard remains to be seen but I can see a few of them sticking around.

Coming through the ranks...

Corey Norman - 26
Andrew McCullough - 27
Josh McGuire - 27
Dale Copley - 26
Kurt Baptiste - 26
David Hala - 28
Lachlan Maranta - 25
Aaron Whitchurch - 25
Mitchell Frei - 25
Edrick Lee - 25
Ben Barba - 28
Matt Srama - 26
Daly Cherry-Evans - 28
Dane Gagai - 26
Ray Thompson - 27
James Segeyaro - 27
Michael Morgan - 26
Patrick O'Hanlon - 26
Junior Vaivai - 27
Daniel Vidot - 27
Jake Friend - 27
Lama Tasi - 27
Aidan Guerra - 29
Martin Kennedy - 28
Tautau Moga - 24

Then you have 20s players like Caleb Timu, Francis Molo, Corey Oates, Soape Palau, Anthony Milford, Malcom Congoo, Moses Mybe, Hymel Hunt, Sam Harrold, Ben Hampton, Kurt Mann, Korbin Sims, Zac Santo, Chris Grevmuhl, Luke Keary, Dylan Napa, Tuiala Togitasi etc. etc. who could become anything.

With the potential of Folau & possibly Hunt returning we should be alright. I don't think we'll see any selections like Flannery @ five eigth.

Just to point out - Big Pete has taken all ages in the list ahead 5 years and it's very exciting just seeing QLD's future possibilities all together. Two more I will note on though is Sandow and Humble - apparently they are QLD contenders.
 
At Suncorp, the Maroons will be different from what we've seen from them this year, so much that there’ll be no comparison to how they were in games 1 and 2.
 
So does that mean those who think QLD will win are only using their hearts? Not having a go, but I would think that being back at Suncorp with the likes of Inglis, Thurston, Cronk and Smith in the side would have us feeling some sort of confidence.

Of course not. Heads work differently :-)
 
At Suncorp, the Maroons will be different from what we've seen from them this year, so much that there’ll be no comparison to how they were in games 1 and 2.

If that happens, we'll win. If QLD ends up treating it like they have the past 2 games, who knows.
 
I can never visualize a QLD loss, even in the darkest days of NSW dominance I always thought they could pull a win out of the bag somehow.
 
I can never visualize a QLD loss, even in the darkest days of NSW dominance I always thought they could pull a win out of the bag somehow.

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Then you have 20s players like Caleb Timu, Francis Molo, Corey Oates, Soape Palau, Anthony Milford, Malcom Congoo, Moses Mybe, Hymel Hunt, Sam Harrold, Ben Hampton, Kurt Mann, Korbin Sims, Zac Santo, Chris Grevmuhl, Luke Keary, Dylan Napa, Tuiala Togitasi etc. etc. who could become anything.

I think Hammo will be too old in 5 years time, bit over the hill. It was either this series or never for him.
 
Worst comes to worst and we lose tonight, lets not forget the history and pride this QLD team has created. 6 series wins straight will not be beaten anytime soon, if ever.
 
All dynasties come to an end. Queensland is just looking laboured, lacking the hunger and energy.

Agreed on both points.

Sooner or later QLD will lose a series. It might be this one, it might not be for another 5 years, but sooner or later NSW will win and QLD will have to put up with the gloating for once.

Players can deny it all they want, but I think subconsciously after you've won so many series you probably do become a little complacent and not as hungry as those other players who have been losing.
 
Agreed on both points.

Sooner or later QLD will lose a series. It might be this one, it might not be for another 5 years, but sooner or later NSW will win and QLD will have to put up with the gloating for once.

Players can deny it all they want, but I think subconsciously after you've won so many series you probably do become a little complacent and not as hungry as those other players who have been losing.

That's exactly what was said before the decider last year.
 
Yes, and while I was nervous last year, I was pretty sure they wouldn't let Locky go out on a losing note.
I know they're saying "do it for Petero", but let's be frank, Petero isn't Locky. I hope they do it for him, but I'm far from confident.
 
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I feel confident as long as our forwards win the middle. This is a huge game, if you are lucky enough to be there you best cheer your arse off!!
 

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