Haas - Off Field Dramas

[Nashy]

Disagree.

If my "HR" team wanted to compel me to talk about a criminal matter under police investigation by my family, that I had no involvement in, I'd happily tell them to get fucked. I'd happily take them to court too if they decided I can no longer be employed because I refused to give them details.


It's as vague as PR statements go but "level of cooperation" lol, anything past I have no idea sir is way more than necessary. This isn't a workplace incident, he committed no wrong doing. It's not his job to be a witness over other employee's behaviour.

That's your prerogative, just like it was Hass'. But you and I both know that if you tell your HR teams to bugger off, there will be consequences. And you lawyer wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.

 

[broncsgoat]

Disagree.

If my "HR" team wanted to compel me to talk about a criminal matter under police investigation by my family, that I had no involvement in, I'd happily tell them to get fucked. I'd happily take them to court too if they decided I can no longer be employed because I refused to give them details.


It's as vague as PR statements go but "level of cooperation" lol, anything past I have no idea sir is way more than necessary. This isn't a workplace incident, he committed no wrong doing. It's not his job to be a witness over other employee's behaviour.

very on point with this.

 

[Battler]

Broncos fined Clinton 50k and two games in 2009 for breaching Code of Conduct that's the biggest the board ever fined.

Don't breach the Code of Conduct, it's not hard.

This penalty would have been more appropriate, maybe even a one game suspension, but like has been mentioned in this thread it sounds like the NRL were going to suspend him if the club didn’t step in.

I hope the integrity unit are still deciding what to do with JDB and Walker.

 

[broncsgoat]

My personal guess is that the integrity unit didn't really care that much about Haas not going in to details, as they were satisfied he didn't do anything wrong. I'd say they contacted Seibold and said that Haas didn't fully cooperate, but they're satisfied he did no wrong doing, and probably recommended a minor in-house punishment for not fully cooperating with them (1 trial game suspension seems fair). But Seibold wants to make his mark, be the "new Bennett" with the "tough love" or whatever. So my guess is that Haas is more or less a scapegoat for Seibold to make his mark on the playing group / fan base.

The mark its left on me is that hes a ****

 

[Kimlo]

That's your prerogative, just like it was Hass'. But you and I both know that if you tell your HR teams to bugger off, there will be consequences. And you lawyer wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.

That's the only thing we don't really know. If HR called and said we need to talk and he said "No **** you and **** Greenberg" then fair enough he probably deserves a punishment and it's probably even fair! If it's simply a case of him not wanting to talk AKA he wouldn't say much/anything it's absurdly over the top.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

My only issue with this whole saga is putting Haas offside with the club when he is next due to come off contract. By that point he will probably be the hottest property forward on the market, and suddenly he has these big money offers flying at him and a pretty open opportunity to smack the club back for punishing him for having his families back.

 

[007]

Its pretty clear cut, the right decision has been made. Not cooperating with IU sets a slippery slope of a standard. All players contracted have an image to uphold as they represent the club. If you have done nothing wrong, there is nothing to hide and there is ZERO reason to not communicate with IU.

If the maturity is not there to understand this, this suspension and fine serves its purpose. Family, friends, best mate, his responsibility is not to cover their asses while ignoring the standards of the game and club that he is employed to uphold.

 

[tommy]

Semi final game, chances are someone was filming it. Is there any available footage? I want to see what got him 4 weeks. Back page of DT lapping this up, calling it the "latest black eye for Rugby League". Says one of the incidents was a personal dispute involving family members. In what world is that any of the NRL's business?

 

[Foordy]

y only issue with this whole saga is putting Haas offside with the club when he is next due to come off contract.

This can absolutely not be a consideration when coming to deciding what disciplinary penalties to impose.

that is how you turn talented players into the Carney's or Barba's of the comp ... and thinking that they can do what they like because their talent will give them a free pass.

coming down hard on them early (even if it is a tad harsh) for breaching the code of conduct, will be good for them in the long run

 

[the_next]

In my opinion, the club has come down too hard on Haas with a 4 game suspension and 20k fine. the reported 2 games and 10k would have been more then enough. Are we now to see all clubs follow suit? If so, I’m expecting at least 1 suspension (from a club on their player) a month. So much gets keept in house, as should have this\.
I said it last night, other clubs will be circling and posing questions to Haas and his manager as a result of this. Contracts mean nothing, and I doubt Haas would be happy with how this has played out. Most media outlets are reporting this as another off season incident. As far as Im concerened, the bloke wasnt involved directly in an incident and i cant see how this punishment is justifiable.
Is this White putting his hand up to take over Greenberg?

 

[broncos4life]

I understand he hasn't fully cooperated with the integrity unit but that's too heavy handed IMO. He wasn't involved in the brawls but was in the vicinity...**** sake.
Clubs fucked this up I'd say. Knee jerk reaction. 1 game and 2500 would have been enough. We're in the news again now for the wrong reason and losing our star forward for the first month of the season for **** all!! Dick move by the Broncos.

Ok, let's calm down.

It is not the fact that he was in the vicinity, it was that he breached the club's code of conduct through not cooperating with the integrity unit.

In terms of being in the news (if you actually care about this) it is actually for god reasons. Most reports are praising our strong stance and drawing a line in the sand.

Star forward? He hasn't even played 80 minutes of NRL yet and if there is any position we can replace with ease it is the forwards.

 

[Huge]

I think Haas could be trying to

Systematically use performance enhancing drugs over the course of several years, 3 game ban.

Don't divulge all information to the integrity unit in regards to minor physicsl incidents that you were not involved in, 4 game ban.

Who did that?

 

[Cult]

This is such a bullshit and dishonest take. Exactly what I meant by the media treating him the same way they treat criminals. He messed up but the club should have released their announcement before allowing the media to create uproar about it and make it look worse than it is.

 

[Huge]

I just know how HR works mate. It's not a bad thing to have life experience and know how the world works.

Ha ha, very gratifying to have lived long enough to see you Nashy write such a post. I well remember writing something like that to you many years ago. Mmmm, your response at the time was, well colourful! More shades of grey become visible with time and experience.

 

[Brotherdu]

Systematically use performance enhancing drugs over the course of several years, 3 game ban.

Don't divulge all information to the integrity unit in regards to minor physicsl incidents that you were not involved in, 4 game ban.

I agree, however as mentioned before, this was a Broncos ban, not an NRL ban. The NRL could well have been more lenient for all we know, so let's not spend too much time comparing ourselves with the Sharks. Don't forget Flanagan also quit after they found out he'd still been 'coaching' whilst suspended. From all appearance, that place was rotten to the core.

I'll happily cop being seen at the other end of the spectrum to them.

 

[tommy]

I'll happily cop being seen at the other end of the spectrum to them.

Except that will never happen. A few looks at other forums and it's all about how we managed to keep this quiet for so long and how he should be stood down indefinitely for not talking to them.

 

[Huge]

Its pretty clear cut, the right decision has been made. Not cooperating with IU sets a slippery slope of a standard. All players contracted have an image to uphold as they represent the club. If you have done nothing wrong, there is nothing to hide and there is ZERO reason to not communicate with IU.

If the maturity is not there to understand this, this suspension and fine serves its purpose. Family, friends, best mate, his responsibility is not to cover their asses while ignoring the standards of the game and club that he is employed to uphold.

It isn't that black and white. Haas has family for life, cultural concerns for life, I imagine religious considerations for life. The Integrity Commission won't be his concern in 20 years but the rest will be. He has to live with his decisions and I'll bet when he's retired he'll want to be right in the warm embrace of his kith and kin. Young passionate loyalty is the only kind he can experience at this time, it should be expected that will be what drives his actions.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

This is such a bullshit and dishonest take. Exactly what I meant by the media treating him the same way they treat criminals. He messed up but the club should have released their announcement before allowing the media to create uproar about it and make it look worse than it is.

You should see some of the comments under this tweet. Stupid personified.