Henjak WTF!

[GCBRONCO]

Well lets put it this way, Gillett for example isn't going to stay around forever if he feels he has no longterm prospect of a position in the run on side nor if his showing the sort of form that deserves a position. Shifting Thaiday gives more incentive for those backrowers to remain at the club if they feel theres real competition for positions. Your right about Parker his the most unlikely to go followed by Thaiday, but the rest well thats another story and considering peoples reactions to the loss of a quality player like Taylor how would they feel about losing someone like Gillett? Frankly his one of the few ballplaying backrowers we have had in quite sometime and I'd rather Henjak show some faith in him like he did with Hoffman and really I don't see any disadvantage at the very least seeing how it goes in the offseason and the trials at least.

 

[Charmamba]

Gillett is alot more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was.

 

[Big Pete]

Gillett is alot more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was.

Oh what?

Gillett's only had one great season in the NRL, before then he was just a talented youngster who unfortunately didn't have the drive to make it into the NRL until his good buddy Todd Parnell died.

Taylor on the other hand has been talked up since he was 18 as the future Arthur Beetson and played a leading role in getting us into a prelim final.

Gillett is a great talent, but that really is quite a short memory you have.

Disagree GC - as a backrow Thaiday's mobility and ball-playing skills come to the fore. As a front rower he won't get to show those assets off.

 

[Charmamba]

Your argument for Taylor is "he was talked up". A great season speaks more than being "talked up".


Taylor had a handful of good games at brisbane, Gillett a good season.

 

[GCBRONCO]

You don't need to be talked up to be a talent in the NRL, The Broncos at one point when scouting for talent out west weren't even originally going after Shane Webcke but rather Steve Price and they came across him playing in a local match and what impressed the Broncos was his attitude. If you asked Shane Webcke what his main motivation for success was his answer would be what he had to do for his family when his father passed away which he himself said drove him for success and often difficult times can be the motivation people need in life, for Gillett this has been no exception he was outstanding in the Queensland Cup in 2009 and rookie of the year in the NRL 2010 where he showed not only talent but consistency and maturity, he deserves an opportunity in the starting side just as much as Hoffman.

I also don't think Thaiday's attributes would be underutilised, if anything his ability to offload and mobility are an asset that can be utilised in the frontrow and we don't have a lot of frontrowers that have that offload ability.

 

[Big Pete]

Your argument for Taylor is "he was talked up". A great season speaks more than being "talked up".


Taylor had a handful of good games at brisbane, Gillett a good season.

Taylor's 09 was just as good if not more than Gillett's 2010 - it got us as far as a prelim.

Just saying that Gillett is more important for the future than Taylor ever was seems a tad ignorant, Taylor was being groomed for years and it was paying off in 2009.

GC - Because those skills Thaiday possess are far better utilised on the fringe where you can isolate defenders than in the middle where you're getting picked of by 2-3 men consistently.

 

[GCBRONCO]

Your argument for Taylor is "he was talked up". A great season speaks more than being "talked up".


Taylor had a handful of good games at brisbane, Gillett a good season.

Taylor's 09 was just as good if not more than Gillett's 2010 - it got us as far as a prelim.

Just saying that Gillett is more important for the future than Taylor ever was seems a tad ignorant, Taylor was being groomed for years and it was paying off in 2009.

GC - Because those skills Thaiday possess are far better utilised on the fringe where you can isolate defenders than in the middle where you're getting picked of by 2-3 men consistently.

Big Pete I don't agree with the notion Gillett was more important in the future then Taylor but I think your underplaying what Gillett achieved in 2010 and the fact is Gillett achieved alot in a far more difficult season then Taylor did in 2009 given what Gillett had to work with throughout the season of 2010, both the start and finish to 2010 were hardly ideal circumstances and he still produced the goods despite us not making the finals. The biggest attraction to the Broncos as a fan over the years has been our willingness to back the youngsters even if there may be safer options available, there may be risks involved but I like to see a coach who is willing to back his players, I know for a fact a lot of people grew disappointed with Bennett towards the backend of his time at the Broncos that he tended to just stick with what he thought was safer and not willing to make tough decisions for the best interests of the side.

Because those skills Thaiday possess are far better utilised on the fringe where you can isolate defenders than in the middle where you're getting picked of by 2-3 men consistently.

It's funny Big Pete but one of the criticisms I have heard over the years has been the lack of ability of our frontrowers to offload in opportunities and they do exist and we need to capitalise, no disrespect to Hannant and Tronc but I just feel in the situation Thaiday would provide us more opportunity to capitalise on that. Te'o is more then capable of taking on Thaiday's role which allows us to bring in Gillett who provides us with real ballplaying options in the backrow, something I know has also been criticised here for the lack of. At the end of the day I would just like us to at the very least when we have the opportunity in the offseason and trials to explore the option, nothing to lose then.

Anyway I think this is really just going around in circles and I think we should just wait to see how it pans out.

 

[Big Pete]

I didn't think I had to spell out how important Gillett's 2010 was to other Broncos fans. I mean, there are like three different appreciation topics that do just as well. I'm just saying Taylor was touted as our future for 4 seasons and lived up to the billing for 2 (07 and 09) seasons. I don't know how you can say Gillett is more important, as important I could begin to understand but more?

Eh.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Thaiday. It's not a bad option if our front row stocks are low and the backrow is ripping and tearing but I'd like to see the likes of Hannant, Tronc, McGuire, Anderson, Kenny and Hala prove themselves before we move the best backrow in the game up front for the sake of balance.

 

[Coxy]

No. Taylor lived up to the billing for 12 games. Last 6 of 09 and last 6 of 07. He was utter shit the rest.

Similar in 10. Had about 6 good games all season.

The guy is a myth.

 

[Charmamba]

No. Taylor lived up to the billing for 12 games. Last 6 of 09 and last 6 of 07. He was utter shit the rest.

Similar in 10. Had about 6 good games all season.

The guy is a myth.

Taylor is alot like Hayne.

 

[Je$ter]

Why weaken the back row by moving the best back rower in the game to prop? Stupid call.

This year proved a Thaiday on the fringe who can not have to get through as much shit in the middle = a Thaiday who runs damaging lines and doesn't look for a QPTB surrender.

Plenty of props here Henjak, use them not Sammy!!!

Weakening the backrow, I'd hardly call a backrow of Te'o, Gillett and Parker "weakening" the backrow especially when Te'o can fill the role of Thaiday, Gillett strengthens the backrow with try scoring ability and ballplaying skills and Parker who had his best season in quite sometime doing plenty of working in defence, making plenty of metres to take pressure of the frontrowers.

As for their being plenty of frontrowers, take away Hannant and Tronc and I wouldn't say the frontrower's that were utilised in 2010 were all that impressive, previously when there was no need to play Thaiday in the frontrow and it weakened the backrow I would agree, but with the depth we have in the backrow I'd have to say not giving Gillett the opportunity to play in the backrow fulltime who showed in 2010 his more then capable of playing there is a missed opportunity.

Kind of like how in 2009 Daniel Mortimer showed he can handle the halves full time - how did that turn out for the Eels? Gillett has a lot to live up to this year and I think saying he's a lock for a back row spot is premature. Thaiday and Te'o are imo a few steps ahead of him and I think Gillett's best spot is impact from the bench.

I also don't think Thaiday's attributes would be underutilised, if anything his ability to offload and mobility are an asset that can be utilised in the frontrow and we don't have a lot of frontrowers that have that offload ability.

They would be massively underutilised. He has a lot less time and space to use that offload and mobility. Case in point: Dave Taylor. In the front row he couldn't use his speed or size to full advantage because he'd consistently have 3-4 guys in front of him. Out wide it's a lot more one on one.

Sure Thaiday could come out wide later in the game, but that harder work in the middle will mean a) he won't be an 80 minute player and b) his work out wide would be nullified by the harder work in the middle.

Gillett is alot more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was.

That is a ridiculous statement. Yeah DT was a child start and didn't live up to the hype but he only had half a season where he was used correctly. Before that he was a battering ram which nullifies his skills. Gillett got the rub of the green and was playing in his position from the get go. Read my statement re: Mortimer. Gillett has a lot to prove and people are creaming over him and he has a long way to go before he's established.

 

[Porthoz]

This is one decision by Henjak I actually agree with.
Not that I don't think that Sammy isn't a terrific weapon in the second row, but because I think he can be a terrific weapon in the front row, while our second row will still be one of the best, in the NRL.

I prefer to marginally weaken the second row to significantly strengthen the front row. Sammy has the size to compete in that position and with Hannant and Tronc, we will have the forwards that our backs need!

 

[Charmamba]

This is one decision by Henjak I actually agree with.
Not that I don't think that Sammy isn't a terrific weapon in the second row, but because I think he can be a terrific weapon in the front row, while our second row will still be one of the best, in the NRL.

I prefer to marginally weaken the second row to significantly strengthen the front row. Sammy has the size to compete in that position and with Hannant and Tronc, we will have the forwards that our backs need!

Tronc
Anderson
Glenn
Hunt


what a bench!

 

[GCBRONCO]

Kind of like how in 2009 Daniel Mortimer showed he can handle the halves full time - how did that turn out for the Eels? Gillett has a lot to live up to this year and I think saying he's a lock for a back row spot is premature. Thaiday and Te'o are imo a few steps ahead of him and I think Gillett's best spot is impact from the bench.

I wasn't going to get myself back into this discussion but here we go lol, I suppose then we should hold off from playing Hoffman at fullback in case he can't back up after his efforts in his first fulltime season in 2010, like we should have done with Hunt at fullback after his first fulltime season in first grade? As for providing impact from the bench thats a possibility, but if your intending to play Thaiday as an 80 minute backrower alongside Parker who is also an 80 minute forward that really leaves only Te'o as the player he would be interchanging with and given both on average played about the same minutes(67-68ish) in 2010 your actually minimising the effectiveness overall they can have in a match, whereas by having a backrow of Te'o, Gillett and Parker your looking at full 80 minute options who each provide something different to the match while also providing another experienced option in the starting frontrow.

They would be massively underutilised. He has a lot less time and space to use that offload and mobility. Case in point: Dave Taylor. In the front row he couldn't use his speed or size to full advantage because he'd consistently have 3-4 guys in front of him. Out wide it's a lot more one on one.

Sure Thaiday could come out wide later in the game, but that harder work in the middle will mean a) he won't be an 80 minute player and b) his work out wide would be nullified by the harder work in the middle.

The bottomline is we can't afford to just have the backrow carrying the frontrowers especially when it comes to workload, the frontrowers in 2010 overall were very disappointing especially when it came to the metregaining area and while Hannant wil help this he alone won't be answer to the problem, only one averaged over 100 metres and that was Thaiday(and that was only one match there). A lot of other clubs and even ones that finished below us had frontrowers who averaged higher. I don't want to see a repeat of last season where the frontrowers failed to dominate against the opposition forward pack and if Thaiday can help there then so be it, especially when there are options available in the backrow that maintain just as strong a backrow. We need to think whats best for the team not just whats best for one player.

 

[Big Pete]

No. Taylor lived up to the billing for 12 games. Last 6 of 09 and last 6 of 07. He was utter shit the rest.

Similar in 10. Had about 6 good games all season.

The guy is a myth.

Wrong. Great start to 09 before getting dropped to get more game time in Q Cup.

Came back and for the Warriors game (where we wore the urine coloured jersey) and from there was easily one of our best.

2007 he became a force in that Penrith game when we had all our stars in the Origin game.

Taylor and Gillett are both at the same age and I'd say Taylor has achieved more. Hopefully Gillett makes up for lost time though. icon_thumbs_u

 

[Porthoz]

Taylor and Gillett are both at the same age and I'd say Taylor has achieved more. Hopefully Gillett makes up for lost time though. icon_thumbs_u

Not in Broncos colours. Gillett has for mine achieved more in Broncos colours than Taylor did: One full season of consistent good footy.

Taylor is a formidable attack weapon on the fringes and has good hands, but he's definitely still a liability in defense. Give me Gillett any day of the week, Saturdays or Sundays!

 

[Big Pete]

but he's definitely still a liability in defense. Give me Gillett any day of the week, Saturdays or Sundays!

Watch some of Gillett's much as a starting backrow, his technique gets shown up big time.

 

[Coxy]

LOLZ, OK, you have man love for Taylor, we all get it. Fact is he's been a disappointment so far in his career. Gillett has been great in one season. Let's see which trend continues...