Henjak WTF!

[Big Pete]

LOLZ, OK, you have man love for Taylor, we all get it. Fact is he's been a disappointment so far in his career. Gillett has been great in one season. Let's see which trend continues...

Hate arguments like these, just because I don't dismiss Taylor's performances in 2007-09 like you do doesn't mean I get a hard on for the bloke.

Gillett hasn't had time to be a disappointment, he came into first grade as a relative unknown and surprised everybody.

I'd feel comfortable saying Gillett has filled the Taylor role, even more comfortable if we were to say he's filling the Beastwood role (and doing a better job of it). To say he is far more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was is really short sighted.

 

[Kimlo]

Gillett hasn't had time to be a disappointment, he came into first grade as a relative unknown and surprised everybody.

I'd feel comfortable saying Gillett has filled the Taylor role, even more comfortable if we were to say he's filling the Beastwood role (and doing a better job of it). To say he is far more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was is really short sighted.

Man you say some ridiculous things sometimes. One full season is more than enough time to be a "disappointment" but face is Gillett has been brilliant from the get go and for a rookie to be consistently good speaks volumes of his ability and attitude.

If I had the option I would take Gillett over Taylor every time.

 

[Big Pete]

Gillett hasn't had time to be a disappointment, he came into first grade as a relative unknown and surprised everybody.

I'd feel comfortable saying Gillett has filled the Taylor role, even more comfortable if we were to say he's filling the Beastwood role (and doing a better job of it). To say he is far more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was is really short sighted.

Man you say some ridiculous things sometimes. One full season is more than enough time to be a "disappointment" but face is Gillett has been brilliant from the get go and for a rookie to be consistently good speaks volumes of his ability and attitude.

If I had the option I would take Gillett over Taylor every time.

See Tim Smith? it obviously isn't.

 

[Kimlo]

[quote="Big Pete":28o10wfr]Gillett hasn't had time to be a disappointment, he came into first grade as a relative unknown and surprised everybody.

I'd feel comfortable saying Gillett has filled the Taylor role, even more comfortable if we were to say he's filling the Beastwood role (and doing a better job of it). To say he is far more important to the Broncos future than Taylor ever was is really short sighted.

Man you say some ridiculous things sometimes. One full season is more than enough time to be a "disappointment" but face is Gillett has been brilliant from the get go and for a rookie to be consistently good speaks volumes of his ability and attitude.

If I had the option I would take Gillett over Taylor every time.

See Tim Smith? it obviously isn't.[/quote:28o10wfr]
I don't think it's quite the same man. Halfback is the highest pressure position on the field, Gillett is playing backrow(and mostly off the bench too) in what is arguably the best backrow in the competition by a long shot, he doesn't have anywhere near that expectation to perform.

 

[Big Pete]

I don't think it's quite the same man. Halfback is the highest pressure position on the field, Gillett is playing backrow(and mostly off the bench too) in what is arguably the best backrow in the competition by a long shot, he doesn't have anywhere near that expectation to perform.

There are cases of backrows being one season wonders - check Brad Meyers.

Our backrow is great and probably one of the best in the club's history, but there are so many great backrows in the modern competition, it's difficult to hand us the title, especially by a long shot.

And exactly my point. At age 18 Dave Taylor was already being compared to Artie Beetson, of course he's going to be a disappointment in his formative years being unable to live up to that tag. Gillett came in with no expecations and blew everybody away because nobody expected him to be THAT good THAT early.

Taylor is a great talent who could've had a great career at the Broncos but as a club we've since moved on and unearthed a player with tremendous promise - let's hope he doesn't suffer the same complancey other prospects before him. icon_thumbs_u

 

[GCBRONCO]

While I agree any player can be a one year wonder to say Gillett came into the side with no expectations isn't really correct, yes he may not have had the hype of being the next so and so but there was still a lot of buzz around his potential after an outstanding performance in the Queensland Cup in 2009 I know for a fact there was a big push for him to be included in the side before the season started and its no coincidence when he did get into the side he stayed there.

Also when Kevin Walters came to the club he didnt come with that big of expectations, he was just coming for perhaps an opportunity to play first grade fulltime down the track, he had an outstanding season in extremely difficult circumstances and went on to be a very important member of the side for many seasons, so its not just the next so and so player who feels expectations.

 

[Big Pete]

I meant by the mass media.

Henjak has been a huge fan since 2009 from what I've read.

I mean even after his debut which I thought was fantastic he was shunted in favour of Norman.

 

[GCBRONCO]

I meant by the mass media.

Henjak has been a huge fan since 2009 from what I've read.

I mean even after his debut which I thought was fantastic he was shunted in favour of Norman.

The sort of mass media that was calling for Kevin Walters and Bennett's head for playing Walters at 5/8th ahead of the king?

 

[Big Pete]

The very same.

What was my point?

S**t.

I should have clarified, while Henjak was a fan of his in 2009, not even he thought Gillett would've been as great as he was, where as everyone (even the mass media) knew Taylor was something to behold.

 

[GCBRONCO]

The very same.

What was my point?

S**t.

I should have clarified, while Henjak was a fan of his in 2009, not even he thought Gillett would've been as great as he was, where as everyone (even the mass media) knew Taylor was something to behold.

Kevin Walters managed to perform in far more difficult circumstances involving the media and he was never hyped up by the media but you couldn't open a newspaper without reading an article calling for his and Bennett's axeing. I still recall the radio calls and tv interviews and trust me its a lot more troubling then anything Taylor ever had to face.

And yes I do agree Gillett didn't have the media expectations on him, but that can be an asset for Taylor as well as clubs may be willing to persist with you longer then they would your stock standard player and to be honest Gillett did perform more consistant in season with far more difficult hurdles they had to face then Taylor had to when he was at the Broncos, that doesn't mean he doesn't have to prove himself still but consistency wise I thought he showed a higher standard then Taylor did during his time at the club and because of that I think we should back him just like we should with Hoffman who you could argue is roughly about the same level of experience in first grade.

 

[Big Pete]

Kevin Walters managed to perform in far more difficult circumstances involving the media and he was never hyped up by the media but you couldn't open a newspaper without reading an article calling for his and Bennett's axeing.

I knew your point mate, it was well made, mine wasn't and I had to go back to it.

I've got no qualms backing Hoffman and Gillett - just telling it how it is with Taylor who was highly touted by the Broncos during his time here. Just seemed like another backflip from a member on here, after several backflipped on Inglis who suddenly went from being the games best centre, to an overated fat hack unfit to play Origin.

 

[GCBRONCO]

Kevin Walters managed to perform in far more difficult circumstances involving the media and he was never hyped up by the media but you couldn't open a newspaper without reading an article calling for his and Bennett's axeing.

I knew your point mate, it was well made, mine wasn't and I had to go back to it.

I've got no qualms backing Hoffman and Gillett - just telling it how it is with Taylor who was highly touted by the Broncos during his time here. Just seemed like another backflip from a member on here, after several backflipped on Inglis who suddenly went from being the games best centre, to an overated fat hack unfit to play Origin.

Oh Taylor was definitely highly touted I have no doubt of that and that is pressure I agree but that doesn't mean Gillett doesn't face his own pressure either. As for Inglis his definitely a talent(though I don't think his as great a player as made out and that was something I thought when the original news broke of us "signing" him) but you would be lying to yourself if you didn't think Inglis has a serious weight and attitude issue which can effect a players performance both on and off the field, before even the legal fee issue there was evidence of his attitude not being right for a player supposedly wanting to join the club and that was confirmed as the year went on.

 

[Charmamba]

No backflips here Pete I never rated Taylor as highly as some did. He has talent yes but he isn't the be all like some make out.

 

[Big Pete]

Kevin Walters managed to perform in far more difficult circumstances involving the media and he was never hyped up by the media but you couldn't open a newspaper without reading an article calling for his and Bennett's axeing.

I knew your point mate, it was well made, mine wasn't and I had to go back to it.

I've got no qualms backing Hoffman and Gillett - just telling it how it is with Taylor who was highly touted by the Broncos during his time here. Just seemed like another backflip from a member on here, after several backflipped on Inglis who suddenly went from being the games best centre, to an overated fat hack unfit to play Origin.

Oh Taylor was definitely highly touted I have no doubt of that and that is pressure I agree but that doesn't mean Gillett doesn't face his own pressure either. As for Inglis his definitely a talent(though I don't think his as great a player as made out and that was something I thought when the original news broke of us "signing" him) but you would be lying to yourself if you didn't think Inglis has a serious weight and attitude issue which can effect a players performance both on and off the field, before even the legal fee issue there was evidence of his attitude not being right for a player supposedly wanting to join the club and that was confirmed as the year went on.

Attitude and weight problems weren't issues when he was coming to the Broncos, they could be worked on.

But when he became a Rabbit, s**t, you'd swear he was a different player.

 

[GCBRONCO]

[quote="Big Pete":3cax00tp]

Kevin Walters managed to perform in far more difficult circumstances involving the media and he was never hyped up by the media but you couldn't open a newspaper without reading an article calling for his and Bennett's axeing.

I knew your point mate, it was well made, mine wasn't and I had to go back to it.

I've got no qualms backing Hoffman and Gillett - just telling it how it is with Taylor who was highly touted by the Broncos during his time here. Just seemed like another backflip from a member on here, after several backflipped on Inglis who suddenly went from being the games best centre, to an overated fat hack unfit to play Origin.

Oh Taylor was definitely highly touted I have no doubt of that and that is pressure I agree but that doesn't mean Gillett doesn't face his own pressure either. As for Inglis his definitely a talent(though I don't think his as great a player as made out and that was something I thought when the original news broke of us "signing" him) but you would be lying to yourself if you didn't think Inglis has a serious weight and attitude issue which can effect a players performance both on and off the field, before even the legal fee issue there was evidence of his attitude not being right for a player supposedly wanting to join the club and that was confirmed as the year went on.

Attitude and weight problems weren't issues when he was coming to the Broncos, they could be worked on.

But when he became a Rabbit, s**t, you'd swear he was a different player.[/quote:3cax00tp]

Actually there was evidence of attitude problems with regards to Inglis, his attitude towards joining the club wasn't very positive to say the least he pretty much made it clear he was just here for the 2 years to collect the paycheck and then looking to go back to the Storm and concerns were raised then of that on the forum. That would later be confirmed by continuing issues(like dragging the club into a legal fee dispute which we were never involved in) developing that made his attitude look poorer and poorer to the point the guy showed disgraceful behaviour towards the club he agreed to play for. As for the weight issue that has also existed prior to that but not to the levels its reached now. Still regardless its not an issue now cause his not going to be at the club.

 

[Big Pete]

I know these attitude problems existed before hand, just read over a few posts though and a few members were saying he'd be right.

 

[Nashy]

Taylor obviously had a problem off the field that we didn't know about. There is no doubting his ability, and he played some bloody good games for us.

Anyway. We'll see how G goes next year. We've all seen plenty of players at many clubs have a great first season, only to die in the arse for the rest of their career.

 

[Professor47]

On the Thaiday issue - it is such a 50/50 call... obviosuly his best position is thed back row, I don't think you can dispute that... but as someone said... do we weaken the backrow slightly to improve the front row significantly? It's hard to say...

Personally I'd leave him in the back row. Especially because there is no need to weaken the backrow position at the moment. We're not THAT short on props.