OFFICIAL Herbie ***** off to the dolphins

[john1420]

Did we dig our own grave by not releasing mariner to the dolphin's when requested?

Not if Mariner is actually happy to stay on a decent contract and play the position he is good at and we need. No.

 

[Dexter]

You didn’t suggest anything? You said there isn’t much wrong with a backline with Herbie at 1.

Correct . I didn't say we should do it.
If that was what we had to work with and we have a highly talented international who wants a crack.
We gave Nui and Isaako extended opportunities ffs.
I don't know why you think he couldn't make the transition, I think he could.
Anyway , I'll wait until 2024 and see how he goes, although he wouldn't be the first player to be promised a position by Wayne just to get his signature.

 

[Dexter]

I don't consider that a problem. I'll take a proven fullback over a centre who wants to play fullback any day.

Problem in terms of retaining Herbie.

 

[broncos4life]

Correct . I didn't say we should do it.
If that was what we had to work with and we have a highly talented international who wants a crack.
We gave Nui and Isaako extended opportunities ffs.
I don't know why you think he couldn't make the transition, I think he could.
Anyway , I'll wait until 2024 and see how he goes, although he wouldn't be the first player to be promised a position by Wayne just to get his signature.

I don’t think he can make the transition because he has no skills besides speed for the position. Fullbacks these days need to be able to ball play and the bloke can’t even pass to his winger.

Herbie would be a disaster long term at fullback, I could see him doing an ok job in a short stint in a game when there aren’t other options but that’s it.

Os it possible he could be good at fullback? Anything is possible but it would be in spite of everything we have seen from him.

 

[Wolfie]

Correct . I didn't say we should do it.
If that was what we had to work with and we have a highly talented international who wants a crack.
We gave Nui and Isaako extended opportunities ffs.
I don't know why you think he couldn't make the transition, I think he could.
Anyway , I'll wait until 2024 and see how he goes, although he wouldn't be the first player to be promised a position by Wayne just to get his signature.

I dont think he has been promised a fullback position at the Dolphins. I think they have got him in to play right center. People get wrapped up with him at fullback and while he has said he wants to play there, its pretty common knowledge as well he wants to play right center.

 

[Foordy]

I love Herbie, and I do think he could make a decent fullback.

I have no doubt we intended to give him a shot at fullback, but then Reece Walsh fell into our laps ... and you never pass up a player of the quality of Reece Walsh, especially when you get him for a bargain.

I think our bigger mistake was not swapping him and Staggs. Herbie will consistently give you and 8/10 game. with very little difference between his best and worst performances ... While Staggs gives you the occasional 10/10 game, but drops to a 6/10 for his worst performances.

having said all that the Phins offer may have meant that nothing we did could have stopped him leaving

 

[Dexter]

I don’t think he can make the transition because he has no skills besides speed for the position. Fullbacks these days need to be able to ball play and the bloke can’t even pass to his winger.

Herbie would be a disaster long term at fullback, I could see him doing an ok job in a short stint in a game when there aren’t other options but that’s it.

Os it possible he could be good at fullback? Anything is possible but it would be in spite of everything we have seen from him.

Yeah, I'd like to see him have a go because I think he is talented enough to make the adjustments.
It would mean a full off season training etc.

 

[Scorchie]

I dont think he has been promised a fullback position at the Dolphins. I think they have got him in to play right center. People get wrapped up with him at fullback and while he has said he wants to play there, its pretty common knowledge as well he wants to play right center.

Betcha Niu and Lee are thrilled then

 

[Sproj]

There will always be players that get offers that are just too good to pass up. However, the amount teams need to over pay to make the decision impossible increases depending on how good the club culture is and how much they feel the coach and club means for their development as players and people.

Yes, Melbourne lose guys like B Smith or Tino to huge offers they aren’t willing to match but they also retain the players that they really need to. You rarely see Wayne, Robinson, or Bellamy get their pants pulled down in the player market when it comes to players in their roster. All accusations of cap cheating aside, they are also the best at what they do.

Kev may create his own legacy as a coach some day but we just aren’t that club yet and haven’t been for 5 years or more. We are going to have to achieve and maintain success the hard way first and then players may want to stick around for less.

Bennett lost Hunt, Hodges and D.Taylor + A.Taylor, these are just guys off the top of my head that he really wanted to keep. Until a reported (I know, I never believe Badel either) massive overs from Bennett to get Herbie, he hadn't landed ant of note either.

 

[Foordy]

Bennett lost Hunt, Hodges and D.Taylor + A.Taylor, these are just guys off the top of my head that he really wanted to keep. Until a reported (I know, I never believe Badel either) massive overs from Bennett to get Herbie, he hadn't landed ant of note either.

that should be Hunt x 2

 

[The Don]

It's not the best trolling though... it's not really anything to be honest... we have supposed broncos fans on this forum that go harder on the club than this guy.... maybe it's been a slow day on LU...

Are there no other league forums on the web??

We have a couple parra fans that rock up twice a year... cows fans rocking up because Stampede is a ghost town... and now random souths guy because he couldn't find LU or the warren in a google search??

At least @The Don is entertaining.

I get online for a read of BHQ's latest off season drama and see a notification. "Oh this should be good." Turns out I got lumped in with this 'interesting character' and your notification made me read 3 pages of his/her random dribble about wooden spoons. Next time tag me in a more interesting thread please e.g. the latest on Billy Walters.

All seriousness though a lot of great information on this forum, I'll credit you all when I win my NRL Fantasy league.

 

[theshed]

Bennett lost Hunt, Hodges and D.Taylor + A.Taylor, these are just guys off the top of my head that he really wanted to keep. Until a reported (I know, I never believe Badel either) massive overs from Bennett to get Herbie, he hadn't landed ant of note either.

Spanning over 20 years. Definitely not saying he hasn’t copped his share either but as I said, the price to drag a player away from Wayne or Robbo is highe than the cost to drag a player away from Brown or Hook.

 

[Sproj]

Spanning over 20 years. Defiantly not saying he hasn’t copped his share either but as I said, the price to drag a player away from Wayne or Robbo is highe than the cost to drag a player away from Brown or Hook.

I'll extend it then with like 5 seconds research:
- B.Hunt
- K.Hunt
- Priddis
- Ennis
- Harrison
- Arrow
- D.Taylor
- A.Taylor
- Hodges
- Stagg
- Hannant
- Civoniceva
- Berrigan
- Kemp
- Thorn

In comparison, so far, players Kevvie has lost that he really wanted to keep:
- Farnworth
- Coates
- Chicken sandwich kid (but this is a stretch as we really don't know what happened here)

Now obviously there are a million factors involved here and longevity of coaching role so far is like chalk and cheese. Also, I have only included Bennett's Broncos stints but obviously at Souths, he also lost Sua'alii off the top of my head.

This fallacy that Bennett doesn't lose players he wants to keep is just that. Yes, of course he keeps most of them but so far, a bloke 'who can't even coach' in Kevvie doesn't seem to be doing much, if any, worse.

 

[theshed]

I'll extend it then with like 5 seconds research:
- B.Hunt
- K.Hunt
- Priddis
- Ennis
- Harrison
- Arrow
- D.Taylor
- A.Taylor
- Hodges
- Stagg
- Hannant
- Civoniceva
- Berrigan
- Kemp
- Thorn

In comparison, so far, players Kevvie has lost that he really wanted to keep:
- Farnworth
- Coates
- Chicken sandwich kid (but this is a stretch as we really don't know what happened here)

Now obviously there are a million factors involved here and longevity of coaching role so far is like chalk and cheese. Also, I have only included Bennett's Broncos stints but obviously at Souths, he also lost Sua'alii off the top of my head.

This fallacy that Bennett doesn't lose players he wants to keep is just that. Yes, of course he keeps most of them but so far, a bloke 'who can't even coach' in Kevvie doesn't seem to be doing much, if any, worse.

Some very strong arguments for many of those players not falling into the “players he wants to keep” category but I couldn’t be bothered tbh. Some of them are a bit silly:

 

[Wolfie]

Bennett lost Hunt, Hodges and D.Taylor + A.Taylor, these are just guys off the top of my head that he really wanted to keep. Until a reported (I know, I never believe Badel either) massive overs from Bennett to get Herbie, he hadn't landed ant of note either.

Tbf to Bennett with Ash, he let Ash go because he was first grade ready and didnt really have a pathway at the time here. Herbie probably falls into the category of people like Arrow, Fifita and Ben Hunt who we just couldnt afford to keep because there is a salary cap. Thorn and Karmichael Hunt arent different cases as they just wanted to switch codes. If they didnt want that challenge i doubt we lose them.

Kevvie doesnt seem to be losing many because we havent really had that many in recent times that were worth poaching. Apart from Fifita, Carrigan, Coates and now Herbie i cant think of many in the last few years that have been seriously targeted by other teams. I think now though we are in a better position to hold onto players and wont fall into the trap of overpaying for somebody like Staggs because we were losing players. I cant see us being held to ransom anymore.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Some very strong arguments for many of those players not falling into the “players he wants to keep” category but I couldn’t be bothered tbh. Some of them are a bit silly:

You've lost the argument with some cold, hard facts. Every coach loses players they want to keep. It's not about the coach 90% of the time unless they aren't getting a run. It's mostly money hut could come down to opportunities, personality clashes with fellow players or even assistant coaches, maybe family, location. Heaps of different reasons. I've left workplaces with great bosses and stayed with crap bosses. To say bennett never lost players he wants to keep is a deadset fantasy. And judging by that list he lost them more regularly than Walters did.

But I think this has more to do with the retention team, DD and ikin. They've done a tremendous job. Our roster has improved dramatically since 2 years ago and will continue too next year I envision.

Farnworth loss has been hugely over rated on here. Go back and watch last year's games. Good defence, good metres, good tackle breaking. But he also always cuts back in without passing, I'm talking every single run. Teams will and provably already have caught onto this. He had a great year last year, good the year before, but opposition teams will be onto him now. Let's see what he can do about it.

 

[Xzei]

I'll extend it then with like 5 seconds research:
- B.Hunt
- K.Hunt
- Priddis
- Ennis
- Harrison
- Arrow
- D.Taylor
- A.Taylor
- Hodges
- Stagg
- Hannant
- Civoniceva
- Berrigan
- Kemp
- Thorn

In comparison, so far, players Kevvie has lost that he really wanted to keep:
- Farnworth
- Coates
- Chicken sandwich kid (but this is a stretch as we really don't know what happened here)

Now obviously there are a million factors involved here and longevity of coaching role so far is like chalk and cheese. Also, I have only included Bennett's Broncos stints but obviously at Souths, he also lost Sua'alii off the top of my head.

This fallacy that Bennett doesn't lose players he wants to keep is just that. Yes, of course he keeps most of them but so far, a bloke 'who can't even coach' in Kevvie doesn't seem to be doing much, if any, worse.

smoked many a bong since 1997 so cant remember the detail around him leaving but lazarus may or may not be worthy of that list

 

[theshed]

You've lost the argument with some cold, hard facts. Every coach loses players they want to keep. It's not about the coach 90% of the time unless they aren't getting a run. It's mostly money hut could come down to opportunities, personality clashes with fellow players or even assistant coaches, maybe family, location. Heaps of different reasons. I've left workplaces with great bosses and stayed with crap bosses. To say bennett never lost players he wants to keep is a deadset fantasy. And judging by that list he lost them more regularly than Walters did.

But I think this has more to do with the retention team, DD and ikin. They've done a tremendous job. Our roster has improved dramatically since 2 years ago and will continue too next year I envision.

Farnworth loss has been hugely over rated on here. Go back and watch last year's games. Good defence, good metres, good tackle breaking. But he also always cuts back in without passing, I'm talking every single run. Teams will and provably already have caught onto this. He had a great year last year, good the year before, but opposition teams will be onto him now. Let's see what he can do about it.

Imagine being on the side of the debate saying that the boss has no impact on employee retention and then being so confident in your position that you arrogantly declare the other person wrong based on very debatable evidence.