Hunt has put the cue in the rack

[Morkel]

Them being favourites of mine, doesn't make it any less true.

That last bit. I was hoping to see that. If you look at the POTS thread when I was teasing you about Gillett polling exceptionally well, you pretty much said the exact same thing.

Just because some people on here try to forget that Hunt was playing quite well, and started to really hit his straps before he got injured against the Roosters, the POTS votes speak for themselves. Hunt was second best. Opinions or agendas, doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Unbreakable]

This is such a pointless argument, Hunt and Milford were both shocking for the first 5 rounds, no idea why anyone is saying otherwise.

I was bad mouthing them both, Milford looked slow and disinterested and Hunt was playing like a neutered dog 75% of the time.

 

[holdzy]

Why is this necessary mate? Is that how you get your boner? By mocking people. Comes across as a superiority complex.

Nah I should just make rape references instead, hey?

The issue has now transformed into whether the opinion of Hunt or Milf playing better is true. Reading through the threads, I'll condede there was in fact more bashing of Milford. But that's not out of the ordinary, given Milf's form has always been used an excuse for Hunt and any criticism of Hunt draws the Ben Hunt boys in like a magnet.

Doesn't change my opinion that Milford wasn't playing worse than Hunt. No one is denying Hunt starting to play well before he got injured, the debate is whether he was playing better or worse than Milf before that. It's opinion.

 

[Porthoz]

That last bit. I was hoping to see that. If you look at the POTS thread when I was teasing you about Gillett polling exceptionally well, you pretty much said the exact same thing.

Just because some people on here try to forget that Hunt was playing quite well, and started to really hit his straps before he got injured against the Roosters, the POTS votes speak for themselves. Hunt was second best. Opinions or agendas, doesn't make it any less true.

No he wasn't, and no he didn't. Neither did Milford.
POTS again? LOL

He got MOTM in 2 games we lost, had low voting, and where both halves and the team played POORLY. Hunt got votes for effort (which he never lacks), not quality.

 

[holdzy]

This is such a pointless argument, Hunt and Milford were both shocking for the first 5 rounds, no idea why anyone is saying otherwise.

I was bad mouthing them both, Milford looked slow and disinterested and Hunt was playing like a neutered dog 75% of the time.

I think it was mostly Foordy and myself being obtuse.

Sorry, BHQ.

 

[Sproj]

Yes we all have opinions on this issue but can we please keep conversations in here civil, thanks all.

 

[tommy]

Edit: Unnecessary

 

[holdzy]

Edit: Ignored Warning

 

[Morkel]

No he wasn't, and no he didn't. Neither did Milford.
POTS again? LOL

He got MOTM in 2 games we lost, had low voting, and where both halves and the team played POORLY. Hunt got votes for effort (which he never lacks), not quality.

Absolutely Hunt was on the up, and absolutely he was performing well against the Roosters. His big tackle to force a dropout was a big moment not just in the game but in Hunt's mindset. I'm hoping and expecting something similar against the Rabbitohs.

The reason the thread is a joke isn't because of the differences in opinion. It's because the "Hunt Sucks" brigade had degenerated to the point where some people literally bought in to the idea that "Hunt has put the cue in the rack". That he's not trying. That's this thread's title. That's the joke.

 

[Brotherdu]

No he wasn't, and no he didn't. Neither did Milford.
POTS again? LOL

He got MOTM in 2 games we lost, had low voting, and where both halves and the team played POORLY. Hunt got votes for effort (which he never lacks), not quality.

Great, we agree that Hunt hasn't put the queue back in the rack and is still trying. Can we lock the thread now? :P

 

[Harry Sack]

This is the reason this thread is a joke. Constant revisionist history and bullshit that, somehow, others buy in to.

I can somewhat accept @Porthoz for his arguments. Even though we know it's all tied up in his beloved players (Hunt doesn't utilise Gillett enough; Hunt should have had the foresight to know that the Dragons would offer him a billion dollars and told Wayne to not let Ash Taylor leave), at least the argument has merit. Poor decision-making or bad execution when it comes to last-tackle options. That's really the crux of it. It's a massive flaw, because that's a critical job of the organising half. But it's a narrow scope, and one that he has overcome before.

But "show no interest"? Just cut that shit out right now because it's the exact opposite of what's going on.



Besides Milford's game-sealing run at the end of Round 1, he was pretty shit. Don't go through the live footage or threads if you want, that's your choice, but how about you look at the POTS results, which is an indication of who our members thought performed.

Milford came 4th in Round 1 and 5th in round 2. That's it. Done. You have to go to Round 6 to even get a podium for him (3rd), but we're talking about Rounds 1-5 here, right?

In that same time frame, Hunt got 3rd in Round 4, and FIRST in rounds 2 & 3. By the end of Round 5, Ben Hunt was considered by us, the members, here, as the second best Bronco, just one point behind Matt Gillett, with Milford no where to be seen.

So seriously, some of you guys trying to rewrite history because you saw something new and shiny is just plain horseshit.

Showing little interest, going missing in games? For the first half of the Warriors game, that was Benji Marshall. Storming home with impressive displays when the game is already lost? Benji Marshall again, second half of the same game. Marshall has his place in our team, Bennett knows what he can bring, and is using him exactly how he should. But there's no fucking way we're a better side with Marshall as our halfback instead of Ben Hunt.

 

[Foordy]

Colman’s call: Benji in, Ben out is a move straight out of Wayne’s 1990s playbook
Mike Colman, The Courier-Mail
THE Broncos might not be in vintage form right now, but their coach sure is.

Wayne Bennett’s stunning “Hunt out — Marshall in” comment this week was straight out of his 1990s playbook.

The only difference was that he didn’t get Greg Dowling to say it for him.

Benji Marshall a better halfback than Ben Hunt? Please.

Hunt under pressure from Kodi Nikorima? Pull the other one.

Bennett learnt a long time ago that the less he says the more interesting he becomes.

As usual he only needed a few words to get his message across to the desired audience on Wednesday morning.
That being an audience of two.

Bennett is the most experienced coach in the game, but even a greenhorn could tell him that the Broncos need a spark if they are going to make any significant mark on this competition.

He has a good side, but at this stage they are a long way short of the team that came within a couple of minutes of winning the premiership two and a half years ago.

That side had youth and Corey Parker. It also had a halfback who wasn’t guaranteed $6 million and a ticker-tape parade from the Dragons as soon as the season ended.

It’s now history that Ben Hunt was to suffer the worst moment of his rugby league career when the grand final went into golden point extra time.

It’s also history that it took him months to get over that one spilt ball — if he ever has.

He was only just showing glimpses of his 2015 form when he was cruelly injured in round six this year, and after two losses on the trot since his return, Bennett doesn’t have time to nurse him back up again.

Which brings us to this week.

Brian Smith, coach of the Dragons sides that the Broncos beat in two grand finals, famously christened Bennett the “spin doctor”, and with good reason.

The doctored Dragons game plan that Bennett rewrote and distributed to fire up his players for the 1993 grand final is the best known of his sneaky tricks, but there have been plenty more.

He asked Dowling to criticise his forwards as a motivational device before crucial Brisbane and Queensland matches so many times that it started to get boring. It kept working though.

And the man of few words knows just which ones to use when he wants to put pressure on referees — such as the time he said he feared for the safety of his players after hearing NSW forward Mark O’Meley had been given a “green light” to run amok in an Origin match.

But even for him this week’s effort takes some beating.

How better to put a rocket under the Dragons’ new $6 million man than to say he is in danger of losing his starting spot to the 32 year-old man that the Dragons didn’t want?

And how better to keep Marshall firing on all cylinders than to hint that he could snatch Hunt’s No. 7 jersey at the precise time he is negotiating for a new contract?

Anyone saying that Bennett’s comments have been blown out of proportion or “beaten up” doesn’t know him too well, and even if they are right, as long as they get the desired result he won’t care a bit.

As he said about the infamous edited game plan: “I used a situation in ‘93 — fair enough. I didn’t break any rules. I got an advantage from it. It was legal.”

Which is exactly what Dowling would say — if Benny asked him to.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...k/news-story/d5e7ffa83ffdcf2c0f8e5d7416203905

 

[Super Freak]

Some delicious ones.

As I've pointed out before - how many of Hunt's positive stats contributed to a positive outcome?

His best stats seem to come from games we lost. Coinkidink?

The same amount as Milford's. If you've watched the games, you would know which game I'm talking about. In fact, Hunt also contributed in another one of our wins.. Holding a pass to draw in a defender, popping it out the back to Boyd which created a massive overlap and we score.

Those games we lost. The Cowboys game, Hunt kicked a 40/20, milked a penalty in the following set, set up two tries with the boot and almost set up a third but Kahu bombed it and he was a constant threat with his running game. In Golden point, he set Milford up for the field goal, which should have been game over. Milford stuffs it up, gets the ball back but instead of holding onto it, decides to go left when Cowboys had us covered anyway. We lose the ball and blow our chance. That was the second time he stuffed up a field goal attempt in that game. The next time Milford gets the ball, he kicks it dead and Cowboys get a 7 tackle set. They march up the field, JT nails the field goal.

The Storm game. You could count the amount of times we were in their 20 on one hand. Hunt gets a repeat set with a grubber, in the next set he slices through the defensive line to put us in the lead. Later in that game, he came up with several try saving tackles. Unfortunately, Storm caught us out and Kahu's blunder allowed them to score, but can't blame him, if Kahu didn't do what he did, Storm score anyway.

Apart from the Sharks game, the only other try Milford set up was against the Bulldogs.. And then they ran straight through him to score the match-winning try.

Hunt delivered more than what Milford did in that period. Your statement that Hunt only delivered when the game was already over is incorrect.

You mentioned in another post Milford made almost twice as many runs as Hunt. Incorrect. Not even close to being true.

You also mentioned you would go through the footage and highlight every time Hunt killed our momentum. I encourage you to do so, because you will see that Milford was killing our momentum more than Hunt. You will see that Hunt was playing better than Milford. You would just be proving yourself wrong.

 

[Foordy]

The Storm game. You could count the amount of times we were in their 20 on one hand. Hunt gets a repeat set with a grubber, in the next set he slices through the defensive line to put us in the lead. Later in that game, he came up with several try saving tackles. Unfortunately, Storm caught us out and Kahu's blunder allowed them to score, but can't blame him, if Kahu didn't do what he did, Storm score anyway.

Milford also made 4 errors in that game

 

[Nashy]

Without reading all the dribble, are people trying to say Hunt is better than Milford. Just a simple Yes/No.

 

[Foordy]

Without reading all the dribble, are people trying to say Hunt is better than Milford. Just a simple Yes/No.

No.

 

[ZTop]

No

 

[holdzy]

The same amount as Milford's. If you've watched the games, you would know which game I'm talking about. In fact, Hunt also contributed in another one of our wins.. Holding a pass to draw in a defender, popping it out the back to Boyd which created a massive overlap and we score.

Those games we lost. The Cowboys game, Hunt kicked a 40/20, milked a penalty in the following set, set up two tries with the boot and almost set up a third but Kahu bombed it and he was a constant threat with his running game. In Golden point, he set Milford up for the field goal, which should have been game over. Milford stuffs it up, gets the ball back but instead of holding onto it, decides to go left when Cowboys had us covered anyway. We lose the ball and blow our chance. That was the second time he stuffed up a field goal attempt in that game. The next time Milford gets the ball, he kicks it dead and Cowboys get a 7 tackle set. They march up the field, JT nails the field goal.

The Storm game. You could count the amount of times we were in their 20 on one hand. Hunt gets a repeat set with a grubber, in the next set he slices through the defensive line to put us in the lead. Later in that game, he came up with several try saving tackles. Unfortunately, Storm caught us out and Kahu's blunder allowed them to score, but can't blame him, if Kahu didn't do what he did, Storm score anyway.

Apart from the Sharks game, the only other try Milford set up was against the Bulldogs.. And then they ran straight through him to score the match-winning try.

Hunt delivered more than what Milford did in that period. Your statement that Hunt only delivered when the game was already over is incorrect.

You mentioned in another post Milford made almost twice as many runs as Hunt. Incorrect. Not even close to being true.

You also mentioned you would go through the footage and highlight every time Hunt killed our momentum. I encourage you to do so, because you will see that Milford was killing our momentum more than Hunt. You will see that Hunt was playing better than Milford. You would just be proving yourself wrong.

I actually said I wouldn't go through the footage - things to do this month.

There is a lot of bias in your posts (not taking into account average hooker service for example - a decent dummy pass and we win the cowboys game).

My comment about Hunt delivering when the game is over was a general comment - not specific to the start of this season. Your Panthers video showed this, as did his kick to Roberts two weeks ago.

I simply don't have the energy for this debate anymore - so if it makes you feel better, Hunt's better then Milf. He doesn't **** up constantly with dumb kicks/passes and he was responsible for our 2/4 start against solid opposition - we can't win without him. It's just a coincidence we won six straight without him.

Perhaps we can settle upon the observation that Milf is clearly playing better now. And Hunt needs to meet Milf's form and hopefully go one better, as was the way in '15 - both one upping one another with their brilliance.