Foordy
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Courier Mail reporting that Haas could be the next one jump ship from Australia and play for Samoa
Hope he does. Can't see the guy that wants a million a season doing it though.Courier Mail reporting that Haas could be the next one jump ship from Australia and play for Samoa
Courier Mail reporting that Haas could be the next one jump ship from Australia and play for Samoa
Maybe it's a requirement from Uncle Nick... I'm sure he'll compensate him accordingly if soNo chance, they don't get 30k per game or whatever it is.
Meninga in shambles. I'd say he would've had him pencilled in for a few games over the world cup.Joseph Suaalii has committed to Samoa for the world cup.
I bet the ARL are now regretting their decision to allow 2nd tier nations to play origin and represent a country other than Australia.
I'm not actually sure why the deviated from the original rule that allowed 2nd tier nations to play origin and represent their 2nd tier nation IF NOT selected for Australia.
I wonder how long it will be before top tier nations get the same privilege
I agree with this. I want International football to be as competitive as possible. But I want Origin to keep its integrity and remain as a rep team for those who genuinely consider themselves Australians and as such Qlders or NSWelshmen not Samoans or Tongans or whatever. Look I get why they want to play for those countries. But they run around identifying from such places which is good and fine but you are taking away from somebody who identifies solely as a Qlder. This is an Australian rep team that is essentially a trial for the Australian team. I actually encourage those if they feel like the are more in touch with their Polynesian or Melanesian heritage to choose that. But obviously the pinnacle of the game is Origin and 90k per series payments don’t occur on the international stage. I love what is occurring in this coming World Cup where there is an amazing spread of talent across the teams but it is ludacrous that 70% of the players can qualify for either of the 2 states and that is the issue here. Got nothing to do with Kangaroo domination it purely has to do with the current system is a fucken mess and joke.For the good of the game, what if Australia just stopped whinging for a little bit.
I agree with this. I want International football to be as competitive as possible. But I want Origin to keep its integrity and remain as a rep team for those who genuinely consider themselves Australians and as such Qlders or NSWelshmen not Samoans or Tongans or whatever. Look I get why they want to play for those countries. But they run around identifying from such places which is good and fine but you are taking away from somebody who identifies solely as a Qlder. This is an Australian rep team that is essentially a trial for the Australian team. I actually encourage those if they feel like the are more in touch with their Polynesian or Melanesian heritage to choose that. But obviously the pinnacle of the game is Origin and 90k per series payments don’t occur on the international stage. I love what is occurring in this coming World Cup where there is an amazing spread of talent across the teams but it is ludacrous that 70% of the players can qualify for either of the 2 states and that is the issue here. Got nothing to do with Kangaroo domination it purely has to do with the current system is a fucken mess and joke.
I want it to be one or the other but I truly want these players to play for their nation of choice. I get some of them grew up in Australia their whole lives under such cultures and view themselves as Qlders and New South Welshmen as well but they have to decide which one truly matters more. None of this best of both worlds crap and then truly taking away from the players who aren’t afforded that luxury. None of this make my self available for Australia until I don’t get selected shit, or I’m a qlder until I miss the side and then Tonga here I come. It’s a sham of a system and people wonder why their is no passion or buy in from Australia to the national team. It’s a fucken disgrace. Whilst they sit around and let it occur it won’t change, the international game will continue to fail and Origin loses its mould, integrity and value. This isn’t some racially motivated thing for those I fully expect to come at me. It’s fixing the system and bettering rep footy internationally and arguably in the state.
If they can't play origin, the International game suffers. That's why we ended up with these rules, to try and help grow it.
What about a full fledged Australian who wants to play for Australia, but can't, because a New Zealander wants to play Origin?
The rules are dud across the board, but removing the option or Origin for those who meet eligibility, works backwards for the game overall.
Origin shouldn't be the pinnacle, the world cup should be. But Origin has fucked the game because of this constant bitching.
If they dont play for Australia, scrub them out of Origin contention.
I would agree , if origin was the Australian selection trials .
Origin has less to do with the selections for the Kangaroos come Nov / Dec . Form during semis and final carry a lot of weight as it`s current form . Also lots of origin players end up having off season surgery so aren`t available anyway .
Origin is the pinnacle cause it makes the most money and attracts viewership. That has fucked it, not cause of people bitching. Your attitude towards fixing the game is awful. he system is so broken that in order to fix it the representative game in fact has to go backwards overall. You have stood there bitching just as much as everyone else complaining that origin is the pinnacle and the best way to grow the game is by leaving everything as is. Don’t be so ignorant. The fact the World Cup will be competitive is good but don’t think for a second that will continue when there isn’t a World Cup at stake. Look back at the last decade mate.
How can anyone watch other international sports and seriously stand there and think that Rugby League is successful in implementing an international game. It’s a joke. There realistically shouldn’t be an international game if this is how it will be represented.
The upcoming World Cup is exciting but don’t think for a second that will be the new norm. They will all back track and becoming fully fledged “Aussies” and distance themselves as far away from that system as possible so as to make themselves available for Origin and Australian end of year tests cause that’s where the attention will shift towards and when they miss it they will call up Kristian Wolf and go “I’m Tongan again”.
You play for ONE nation. Only discrepancy is PNG, Lebanon, Cook Islands, France, Italy, Scotland, Wales etc, who don’t have there own means to grow the game without using eligible unselected Aussies, Tongans, Kiwis, Englishmen etc.
Look at the difference in the quality of teams and squad depth since the middle of the year tests. That is origin players and origin hopefuls changing their aspirations so they can run around and play for there other nation. Only Luai at that time had the balls to say I’m playing for Samoa during that period. The rest knew it wouldn’t fly well. This is an international representative system, not a cultural representative system. If you wish to align your nationality with your culture, fine, but don’t run around pulling the representing my family card which is a valid argument until you go on and don’t represent that in the future.
90% of talented Rugby League players that can play on a representative stage have come out of Australian Pathways. That essentially means almost all of them are eligible for both their pacific nation they are playing for and Australia. That doesn’t mean you get to change every few months for when it best suits your career and so you can play. Completely take origin out of the question. Sit down with every player one by one and ask them what there allegiance is to. Or don’t even bother for that, you can obviously be eligible for all these nations but once you get selected you make a conscious decision than and there if I accept this and play I am there forever. NO CHANGING.
It’s simple make it very clear that you can only play for one tier one nation (revised): Australia, Tonga, Samoa, New Zealand, England, Fiji. Clarify that to play origin you must play for Australia. Yeah it might stunt the limited growth the international game will see over the next 5 years to a decade. But it has endless opportunities.
I can’t stand here and watch this sham of a system ruin the dreams of someone like Mulitalo who wanted to play for Qld and Australia but was 3 months ineligible or watch someone like Victor Radley who made a conscious decision to leave the Australian rep system to play for England to then shift your head the other way and watch the absolute farce that occurs between Australia, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa and origin teams. Not a single person represents shit in that group of teams cause they jump between them depending on when the suitability is right. International sports everywhere thrives on patriotism, pride and passion. That’s where the value is. That does not exist in the current system for Rugby League between these nations.
The only way forward is backwards my friend. Gonna have to put with growing pains for this to be fixed. Or else it will remain as an excuse for an international game.