Is Darren Lockyer the greatest player of all time?

[GCBRONCO]

Yep. Brisbane comp pre-1988 was as good as the Sydney comp. And Wally dominated it.

And the problem for Lewis was the Broncos came in the backend of his career and thats when the injuries started to set in that hampered his career in the NSWRL, IMO if they had of entered the competition when the Raiders and Steelers did it would have been a whole different story.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I am 24 and never had the pleasure of watching Wally really play. I get told stories of how all I wanted to do was watch Wally but I just don't remember. Lockyer is the best I have seen and I just can't compare him with Wally.

 

[GCBRONCO]

I am 24 and never had the pleasure of watching Wally really play. I get told stories of how all I wanted to do was watch Wally but I just don't remember. Lockyer is the best I have seen and I just can't compare him with Wally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aq2V4Qcj24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfaqmPQN ... re=related

 

[Charmamba]

Those videos convince me nothing of Lewis except he knew how to bend what little rules the game looked to have.

In todays structured game I'm not so sure he would have excelled at all.

 

[Big Pete]

Those videos don't do Wally justice.

It was qualities like those on top of having one of the best passing games and kicking games in the game.

Mind you, the same can definitely be said about Lockyer. Not even the Origin highlights package does him justice.

 

[Jeba]

I've only seen Wally's Origin games on tape, and the things that stood out for me were:

- His control of the game. If QLD were on a roll, he'd speed the game up. If they were in trouble he'd slow it down. He knew exactly what to do to either capitalize on QLD's dominance or get them back into the game if they were struggling.

- His unbelievable desire to win.

Those things stood him out for me. draggx I reckon you've said he'd be no good today because you were proven wrong when you said he wasn't a great club player.

 

[Charmamba]

Where did i say he wasnt a great club player?

He looks to have been awesome in the local comp

 

[GCBRONCO]

Those videos don't do Wally justice.

It was qualities like those on top of having one of the best passing games and kicking games in the game.

Mind you, the same can definitely be said about Lockyer. Not even the Origin highlights package does him justice.

They definitely don't, I only posted them because I found them on youtube and thought Beads and others might be interested and the competition was more then just your typical local sporting comp, Wynnum Manly at its height in the 80's for example would have been more then competitive in the NSWRL.

 

[Aeetee]

Wally in today's comp would have dominated. He would have had more time to work his magic. Plus his size and strength would has been on par with today's players. He wasn't exactly small. And he had good speed.

I remember that hit he put on that kiwi bloke back in the day, I think that guy still has nightmares about it. His never say die never back down attitude is the same as Lockyers, Wallys was just a little more aggressive.

And to say he would go good in a local comp is a good bait, disrespectful but a good bait none the less.

If you could have a player like Wally training the way today's players do. I would take him over Lockyer and Johns in the same team anyday.

I have several VCR tapes of him playing and watching him control a game and get in the zone is magic.

 

[Charmamba]

Aside from Lewis and one or two others in those videos the rest looked slow as hell, Most would never have been able to lay a hand players like Slater,Yow Yeh, Morris Twins, Hayne ect

 

[Bucking Beads]

Wally is not called the King for nothing.

 

[Big Pete]

Those videos don't do Wally justice.

It was qualities like those on top of having one of the best passing games and kicking games in the game.

Mind you, the same can definitely be said about Lockyer. Not even the Origin highlights package does him justice.

They definitely don't, I only posted them because I found them on youtube and thought Beads and others might be interested and the competition was more then just your typical local sporting comp, Wynnum Manly at its height in the 80's for example would have been more then competitive in the NSWRL.

I hope I didn't come off like I was having a go at you. I was just responding to draggx.

Jeba summed up my thoughts on Lewis, he played like this at every level.

It took Lockyer until 2006 to be able to have any control on the game. Before then he was just an uber talent who was great at playing what was before him.

 

[Black Philip]

It took Lockyer until 2006 to be able to have any control on the game. Before then he was just an uber talent who was great at playing what was before him.

Lockyer completely dominated State of Origin game 1 in 2001. That's just one example of many times Lockyer was able to assert his authority on a game prior to 2006.

 

[GCBRONCO]

I hope I didn't come off like I was having a go at you. I was just responding to draggx.

Jeba summed up my thoughts on Lewis, he played like this at every level.

It took Lockyer until 2006 to be able to have any control on the game. Before then he was just an uber talent who was great at playing what was before him.

Actually Big Pete it wasn't directed at you and I wasn't offended mate, more to the people who have shown disrespect to a competition that the Broncos, The Maroons and our game owe a lot to. it was no coincidence the Broncos targetted the quality from the Brisbane competition first and formost with the likes of Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Colin Scott, Joe Kilroy, Alan Langer, Greg Dowling etc they helped build the foundation, success and fan base.

Aside from Lewis and one or two others in those videos the rest looked slow as hell, Most would never have been able to lay a hand players like Slater,Yow Yeh, Morris Twins, Hayne ect

Plenty of quality backs in the Brisbane competition that wouldn't have had a problem matching or even outdoing the likes of Slater, Yow Yeh, Morris twins, Hayne etc. Colin Scott, Mal Meninga, Gene Miles, John Ribot, Kerry Boustead, Joe Kilroy to mention a few.

 

[Big Pete]

No doubt Lockyer could dominate a game and was our main source of attack but he couldn't control the tempo until 2006. It was a big issue in our performances in 2004 and 2005, we could only play one gear and it made it difficult on our bigger players.

 

[Anonymous person]

It took Lockyer until 2006 to be able to have any control on the game.

the only people that could say that with a straight face are the people that have only ever seen him play at 5/8th. seriously.

 

[Charmamba]

[quote="Big Pete":2frt4cz6]It took Lockyer until 2006 to be able to have any control on the game.

the only people that could say that with a straight face are the people that have only ever seen him play at 5/8th. seriously.[/quote:2frt4cz6]

And this is comming from AP, so you know shits real.

 

[Big Pete]

[quote="Big Pete":3bev9fbs]It took Lockyer until 2006 to be able to have any control on the game.

the only people that could say that with a straight face are the people that have only ever seen him play at 5/8th. seriously.[/quote:3bev9fbs]

Not seriously.

He could decide games at fullback, but couldn't control them until 2006.