James Roberts Drama

[john1420]

JAMES Roberts is one scandal away from having his NRL contract torn up after being fined $20,000 by the Broncos for his latest drunken transgressions.


Roberts is free to take his place against Melbourne on Friday night at AAMI Park, but White said the Broncos acted strongly by dishing out the biggest fine in the club’s history.


I seem to recall a Bronco getting fined $50,000 before, perhaps for having a girl in his hotel room??

 

[ivanhungryjak]

JAMES Roberts is one scandal away from having his NRL contract torn up after being fined $20,000 by the Broncos for his latest drunken transgressions.


Roberts is free to take his place against Melbourne on Friday night at AAMI Park, but White said the Broncos acted strongly by dishing out the biggest fine in the club’s history.


I seem to recall a Bronco getting fined $50,000 before, perhaps for having a girl in his hotel room??

Joel Clinton?

 

[MDA]

I get the feeling he is gonna **** up again, probably in the off-season once all this blows over. Seems like the guy can't help himself. Hope I'm wrong.

Hate to admit it, but I tend to feel the same way. I'm a little surprised the club isn't imposing an alcohol ban - a big risk and as someone else said, a huge show of faith. You would hope this would be enough to turn him around, although given his past, I'm not overly optimistic.

 

[Dash]

Hate to admit it, but I tend to feel the same way. I'm a little surprised the club isn't imposing an alcohol ban - a big risk and as someone else said, a huge show of faith. You would hope this would be enough to turn him around, although given his past, I'm not overly optimistic.

I think the idea isn't to tell him he can't drink alcohol, but to help him reach the point where he chooses not to, or when he does drink it's limited to an amount that doesn't cause him to act like a twat.

Personal responsibility is always better than prohibition.

 

[Sproj]

JAMES Roberts is one scandal away from having his NRL contract torn up after being fined $20,000 by the Broncos for his latest drunken transgressions.


Roberts is free to take his place against Melbourne on Friday night at AAMI Park, but White said the Broncos acted strongly by dishing out the biggest fine in the club’s history.


I seem to recall a Bronco getting fined $50,000 before, perhaps for having a girl in his hotel room??

How much did K.Hunt, Thaiday and Boyd get fined back in the day?

 

[MDA]

Personal responsibility is always better than prohibition.

Agree 100% with you. Call me pessimistic but I'm just not entirely convinced it's going to be an effective approach, particularly given his past.

 

[Big Pete]

Despite being a teetotaler, Wayne has never been for alcohol bans. Last year when the Roosters revealed their players were off the booze, Wayne gave them a little lip (all in good fun of course) saying it must be a boring locker room.

I don't think a one game suspension will achieve anything. It'd be the team that suffers more than anyone else and it isn't like Roberts hasn't been met with similar punishments in the past. I think getting him involved with community service is a good idea and offering support to help treat the root causes of his alcoholism is about the best you can really do.

 

[Morkel]

Despite being a teetotaler, Wayne has never been for alcohol bans. Last year when the Roosters revealed their players were off the booze, Wayne gave them a little lip (all in good fun of course) saying it must be a boring locker room.

I don't think a one game suspension will achieve anything. It'd be the team that suffers more than anyone else and it isn't like Roberts hasn't been met with similar punishments in the past. I think getting him involved with community service is a good idea and offering support to help treat the root causes of his alcoholism is about the best you can really do.

It might be a good thing that this has come to light - the best thing he needs is support, you'd hope that the playing group will rally around him now. If the suggestions are true that he's not integrating well with the team, this might well change that.

 

[Dash]

Agree 100% with you. Call me pessimistic but I'm just not entirely convinced it's going to be an effective approach, particularly given his past.

That's on Roberts. I'm all for giving him the flick if he screws up again.

 

[ChewThePhatt]

I think the idea isn't to tell him he can't drink alcohol, but to help him reach the point where he chooses not to, or when he does drink it's limited to an amount that doesn't cause him to act like a twat.

Personal responsibility is always better than prohibition.

Spot on.

 

[Nashy]

Given the lack of evidence. I'd give him another chance should something else happen. The NRL would have a hard time proving anything in court should they tear up his contract. I mean, the venue won't talk to them, so they don't have a case.

 

[Kaz]

Bad for business if they released the footage and co-operated.

The reason they refused to release the footage is because security did an illegal choke hold.

The Normanby Hotel would be in more trouble that what Roberts was.

 

[Jason Simmons]

The reason they refused to release the footage is because security did an illegal choke hold.

The Normanby Hotel would be in more trouble that what Roberts was.

How is a choke hold illegal exactly? Choking or strangulation is only a specific offence in relation to domestic violence situations in Qld. I am not aware of it being an offence otherwise? Excessive force is unlawful and is therefore the offence of assault, however choking may not be excessive in these particular circumstances, particularly given they haven't been made publicly clear, that I am aware of?

If it isn't excessive and it's otherwise lawful to use force against another and it isn't a specific offence, how is it illegal?

 

[Rally Towel]

How is a choke hold illegal exactly? Choking or strangulation is only a specific offence in relation to domestic violence situations in Qld. I am not aware of it being an offence otherwise? Excessive force is unlawful and is therefore the offence of assault, however choking may not be excessive in these particular circumstances, particularly given they haven't been made publicly clear, that I am aware of?

If it isn't excessive and it's otherwise lawful to use force against another and it isn't a specific offence, how is it illegal?

I'm not sure of legalities but there are safer ways to restrain someone than depriving the brain of oxygen.

If there's no specific law, I'd say it falls under excessive force, given potential for brain damage and fatality.

 

[Jason Simmons]

I'm not sure of legalities but there are safer ways to restrain someone than depriving the brain of oxygen.

If there's no specific law, I'd say it falls under excessive force, given potential for brain damage and fatality.

Potentially but then we don't know why such was applied so it is difficult to say. Perhaps James himself was choking someone we just don't know.

I just saw someone earlier say a choke hold is illegal and my point is purely that it isn't. Not by itself. Only if the force used in executing it is disproportionate in the circumstances at hand just as any sort of force is when one is defending oneself or ones place or acting under the authority of one whose place it is, if it is excessive.

 

[Dash]

How is a choke hold illegal exactly? Choking or strangulation is only a specific offence in relation to domestic violence situations in Qld. I am not aware of it being an offence otherwise? Excessive force is unlawful and is therefore the offence of assault, however choking may not be excessive in these particular circumstances, particularly given they haven't been made publicly clear, that I am aware of?

If it isn't excessive and it's otherwise lawful to use force against another and it isn't a specific offence, how is it illegal?

Yes, not illegal, but 99% of the time it will be unlawful, which is for all intents and purposes the same thing.

 

[Browny]

It's called assault

 

[Foordy]

How is a choke hold illegal exactly? Choking or strangulation is only a specific offence in relation to domestic violence situations in Qld. I am not aware of it being an offence otherwise? Excessive force is unlawful and is therefore the offence of assault, however choking may not be excessive in these particular circumstances, particularly given they haven't been made publicly clear, that I am aware of?

If it isn't excessive and it's otherwise lawful to use force against another and it isn't a specific offence, how is it illegal?

take it from someone who has worked in the security industry for the past 15 years ... performing a choke hold or sleeper hold or whatever you want to call it is not a lawful method to remove someone from a premises or restrain someone.

The reason given to is the unnecessary risk of death if not performed exactly right.

QLD police officers are not even allowed to perform the move anymore.