ANNOUNCEMENT News: the carnival is over

Kimlo

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That sounds like a really bad idea. The site owners aren't looking for a fight.
Yeah no automated stuff. Just genuine criticism/review/paraphrasing of an article is fine and falls under fair use and surely CM will not have a problem with that. As long as it's genuinely a user's summary of the article that's fine. We don't want to be sneaky about it, paraphrasing is genuinely fair use, automated stuff is not.

In the meantime if the same/similar article is available from NRL.com or Broncos.com.au or posted on Twitter/Reddit, we can always link to that as it's a third party that isn't Newscorp.
 

Nashy

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As Kimlo has said, we are working out how we are going post links to news articles for discussion without copying anyone's work. I want to stress that all articles from any news site are no longer to be copy / pasted.

We have now gone back a couple of years on a few of the news tags and closed those threads. From most recent, we have also begun going through those threads and editing the infringing posts, and re-opening the threads so we don't lose the discussion.

Edit: Posts with a -NEWS-, -OFFICIAL-, -NRLW- (Note the hyphens) have been checked by us.

In the meantime, until we work out what changes need to be made (Links to CM are parsing weird), the best way will be to post a Tweet or other social media post.

Simply click the date / time the post was posted, and copy that address. Twitter looks like the following;

Code:
https://twitter.com/NRL/status/1200303978958880768
Then when posting here, click Add Media, and paste the link;

 
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I bleed Maroon

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there’s an easy way to avoid that: don’t be a shit journo
Exactly, like needing to scrape the bottom of the barrel so hard you need to come on to a site like this in order to break your writers block. I don't get paid to write this good and neither does anyone else on here, yet our shit is getting jacked by some untalented jerkoff getting paid a pittance serving one of THE worst human beings to ever walk this Earth, hiding behind wheelie bins to get the jump on people for a hot take that will no doubt be taken grossly out of context. And we're expected to pay for this shit.

No sympathy.
 
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jamesbrandy

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As far as the paywall stuff goes , surely if someone sells you something it should be yours to do what you want with it.
That's not how copyright works. You can't buy a book and copy it word for word somewhere else. You can't buy a CD or movie and do whatever you want with it.

It's the same deal as the good old days of writing essays... no direct copies of any copyright material. Paraphrasing and referencing the original source isn't an infringement of copyright.
 

mitch222

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Is this still Australia we live in, or North Korea? Feels like a form of censorship to me. You know, a suppression of speech and public communication/discussion, that kind of thing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame admin here for taking the stance you now have regarding non-publication of paywalled articles, as you seem to have little choice with threats of possible legal action being taken. I do worry however for BHQ though as during the off-season, it is primarily paywalled newspaper/website articles about club news/player signings/training updates etc that tends to generate a significant amount of discussion amongst the fans who congregate here.

The off-season just became that much longer, and a little more depressing because of this happening in my view. Will be a lot less activity and banter in here from now until gameday I suspect, unfortunately.
Please tell me you will still tell me about the players personal lives and won’t be censored yourself I hope
 

BroncsFan

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CM's thinking: one article on Boyd gets 10 pages of comments on a fan site...
🤔🤔🤔 if we ban them from posting our articles they'll all come to CM and pay a subscription to read the articles = $$$

Reality: CM post article... fan site summarises and turns into 10 page thread... no one visits CM site... every fan on the site hates CM even more... Petey B fades off into obscurity because almost no one will be reading his actual articles
 

Kimlo

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CM's thinking: one article on Boyd gets 10 pages of comments on a fan site...
if we ban them from posting our articles they'll all come to CM and pay a subscription to read the articles = $$$

Reality: CM post article... fan site summarises and turns into 10 page thread... no one visits CM site... every fan on the site hates CM even more... Petey B fades off into obscurity because almost no one will be reading his actual articles
Exactly what I thought of it. I mean it's fine and it's their right, but you never win over people by being dickheads. I guarantee before they would have got many, many clicks which is ad revenue, maybe another interesting story on the sidebar which leads to more revenue, and occasionally convert some clicks into a subscription.

Have it your way, Murdoch.
 

ParraMania

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Yeah no automated stuff. Just genuine criticism/review/paraphrasing of an article is fine and falls under fair use and surely CM will not have a problem with that. As long as it's genuinely a user's summary of the article that's fine. We don't want to be sneaky about it, paraphrasing is genuinely fair use, automated stuff is not.
I used an online paraphrase tool an got this back?
Code:
https://paraphrasing-tool.com/
Better believe it no robotized stuff. Simply certifiable analysis/survey/rewording of an article is fine and falls under reasonable use and definitely CM won't have an issue with that. For whatever length of time that it's really a client's synopsis of the article that is fine. We would prefer not to be slippery about it, rewording is truly reasonable use, robotized stuff isn't.

Easy work around
 

Thelmus

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Just curious, how the hell does news still make money?
I haven't bought a paper in years, more than a decade at least. Everything I've seen In it seems to conjecture mixed with opinion, designed to appeal to only half the potential readership. Nobody has either with the exception of my 86 year old father (who has dementia)
I never heard of a single person who doesn't work in the media that prescribes to their online publications.
What do they pay their lawyers? Free prescriptions of Women's Day?
 

soup

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Just curious, how the hell does news still make money?
I haven't bought a paper in years, more than a decade at least. Everything I've seen In it seems to conjecture mixed with opinion, designed to appeal to only half the potential readership. Nobody has either with the exception of my 86 year old father (who has dementia)
I never heard of a single person who doesn't work in the media that prescribes to their online publications.
What do they pay their lawyers? Free prescriptions of Women's Day?
I drive trucks full of newspapers (and other things) so I can assure you that people still buy them, especially in rural communities. Why, I don’t know... Habit maybe?
 

Fozz

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Maccas and cafes will have them as reading material. They attract a fair few comments on the articles online so there must be a solid subscriber base there.
 

Morkel

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The money doesn't come from people buying them, it comes from the advertisers. It would appear that those who spend money to have ads in them are still getting value for money. It's likely that the small proportion of the community that still buy newspapers have a very particular mindset that is of interest to certain markets. For example, mostly older, retired people with disposable income. To be more specific, my Mum is a Karen and she still gets them delivered, both the CM and the Australian. Certain companies make a lot of money from her.
 

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