Next Broncos coach

[FaithinHook]

This doesn't augur well for Kevvies chances in fact it smacks of the clusterfuck they did last time when they came up with the trainwreck run by siebold.

Not sure I agree with you there on this part, Strapper. Could be that Morris is alluding to the possibility that if an inexperienced coach, such as Kevvie gets the gig, the board will make certain he is not in there alone and has the experienced assistants around him for support. I actually think Kevvie's chances have increased after reading the statement from Morris.

But who knows really, with the way this board seems to operate.

 

[nopatience101]

Morris is out of his depth.

 

[heartly87]

Not sure I agree with you there on this part, Strapper. Could be that Morris is alluding to the possibility that if an inexperienced coach, such as Kevvie gets the gig, the board will make certain he is not in there alone and has the experienced assistants around him for support. I actually think Kevvie's chances have increased after reading the statement from Morris.

But who knows really, with the way this board seems to operate.

This is also my take. The point was on experienced assistants. Not experienced across the board.

Gentle has experience but he strikes me as a yes man that goes with the plan. That's all well and good but he was Seibs only real sounding board from the look.

Kev will need people like that but also people who will give an honest opinion and advise. We are in for the most important decision of the clubs life. The stomach churns thinking about how important this is because if we screw this up we are in a decade long rebuild not 2-3 years.

 

[GCBRONCO]

Except our Captain Smith bailed on the first raft off the boat and left the 2nd mate to go down with the ship.

You mean like this?

 

[The Strapper]

Not sure I agree with you there on this part, Strapper. Could be that Morris is alluding to the possibility that if an inexperienced coach, such as Kevvie gets the gig, the board will make certain he is not in there alone and has the experienced assistants around him for support. I actually think Kevvie's chances have increased after reading the statement from Morris.

But who knows really, with the way this board seems to operate.

I just think that if Kevvie is appointed coach he should be able to determine who his assistants are without any interference from the board.
I think he is smart enough to know he will need good people around him but who they are should be his call and no one else's.
As for his chances of actually getting the job I go back to my previous comments that the longer this process goes on the less chance he has and nothing I have seen leads me to believe the board are going to get this done anytime soon.

 

[rnabokov]

To me a coaching director is redundant, as you say, but what would be important is a GM of football.

It's hard to pinpoint where Nolan sits in the hierarchy. Does he report to the CEO? does he fall under the coach or parallel with them?

This is where a GM of football would sit above the coach and recruitment, but below the CEO.

It removes the CEO from micromanaging the football department whilst providing a GM for all things football related.

Someone like Wayne was probably acting as a pseudo GM of football, but a rookie coach shouldn't have to deal with that... a GM of football has connections to source the best recruitment and retention, scouting and development, high performance, etc.

I think that's too much scope for a rookie head coach to handle and instead they should be focussed on the 30 man squad (performance, tactics and coaching, squad retention, training, etc.) ... leave the other shit to someone else, whilst allowing the head coach to provide input as and where needed.

If the coach wants a psychiatrist or whatever because it will improve the squad then he raises it with the GM to find one, including raising it with the CEO/Board for budget, etc.

This is the way to go for mine, and echoing @Kimlo : "Having someone at the very top, above the coach is more important than the coach itself. We need fundamental changes in how we operate as a club, not just a coach who controls the game day. Landing Ponissi would be huge."

Separate departments - Football : GM, recruitment & retention manager, coach ( I would also include the captain as part of that team) and Business, both headed by the CEO who reports to the board, and both departments operating within a culture of permanent attention to performance, and accountability for it. The whole edifice needs to be underpinned by trust, transparency and ongoing communication. No private or personal agendas. The whole is always greater than any of its individual parts. Unfettered personal power is a cancer to the organisation.

Part of that is the requirement for, up, down and across the football department, constant conversations about what is going right and wrong, strengths and weaknesses, what can be done better, and how people can be upskilled and motivated to do so. The club's overall football performance strategy and tactics are known, articulated, and continually communicated and understood, even right down to a player's private life, where stresses and personal issues can impact their, and the team's performance, so, that too is on the radar for care and attention.

I am unsure where for example, Ikin would fit into that model unlike say Ponissi who is a skilled GM of football.

 

[theshed]

... in fact, i'll be praying to the Rubgy League gods that i am wrong

don’t bother. It turns out Lockyer is only human after all.

 

[Dexter]

I get the feeling the club might be trying to get a KW Green combo going

 

[rnabokov]

I get the feeling the club might be trying to get a KW Green combo going

Can't understand why. Better they focus first on getting a GM for football, someone who understands what it means and what it takes to manage our club's football, top to bottom and then look at a coach. Cart before the horse for mine.

 

[Dexter]

Can't understand why. Better they focus first on getting a GM for football, someone who understands what it means and what it takes to manage our club's football, top to bottom and then look at a coach. Cart before the horse for mine.

Peter Nolan is our GM for football. I don't think he is in the firing line ATM.
We have to replace our CEO and Head coach around some tight time frames. If they are thinking of replacing Nolan I would think that would be the last thing they do.

 

[rnabokov]

Peter Nolan is our GM for football. I don't think he is in the firing line ATM.
We have to replace our CEO and Head coach around some tight time frames. If they are thinking of replacing Nolan I would think that would be the last thing they do.

I don't know much about him, nor have I read much about him, especially recently. I understand he has been around for 20 years, is responsible for recruitment and retention and was very closely connected to Bennett and Isaac Moses, who certainly gets around the Broncos.

I would think that a club GM of football would be more prominent publicly, given our plight ?

The little I do know, from the little I have read about him - and it seems there is not much to read (again correct me if I am wrong) are criticisms about our recruitment and retention, something Ikin has labelled on Fox as "disgusting" and totally ineffective.

Again from the little I have read, there are no ringing endorsement of him as a quality GM of football, other than some positive comments on here from @1910.

If he's been around for 20 years then maybe he ought to be in the firing line given events over the last 3 years, and the criticisms of our recruitment and retention and maybe, re-apply for his own position in a field of quality candidates. Certainly, given Ikin's comments , then I can't see how Nolan and Ikin could work together here. Perhaps the latest media about Ikin no longer being a frontrunner for CEO have something to do with Nolan and his supporters, whoever they are?

My personal view is that the club needs to start from scratch and overhaul everything to do with our football management.

 

[Kooly87]

I just think that if Kevvie is appointed coach he should be able to determine who his assistants are without any interference from the board.
I think he is smart enough to know he will need good people around him but who they are should be his call and no one else's.
As for his chances of actually getting the job I go back to my previous comments that the longer this process goes on the less chance he has and nothing I have seen leads me to believe the board are going to get this done anytime soon.

I think that's somewhat overlooking the fact that a lot goes into determining Assistant Coaching staff that is outside the control of the Head Coach. In particular it relates to the football department budget and what can be negotiated or provided by the club in question.

I take your point about Walters having some input, but personally I think to leave it up to the Head Coach is simply not realistic given how many other parts of the club go into determining what personnel can and should be recruited.

 

[ZTop]

Isiah papalii is another forward that we could get if we wanted to

 

[The Strapper]

I think that's somewhat overlooking the fact that a lot goes into determining Assistant Coaching staff that is outside the control of the Head Coach. In particular it relates to the football department budget and what can be negotiated or provided by the club in question.

I take your point about Walters having some input, but personally I think to leave it up to the Head Coach is simply not realistic given how many other parts of the club go into determining what personnel can and should be recruited.

Normally I would agree with you but since the club has so badly botched this job for some time now I am totally against them having any input to this area at all. The new coach should be able to bring in whoever he wants subject only to budget constraints.

 

[rnabokov]

Normally I would agree with you but since the club has so badly botched this job for some time now I am totally against them having any input to this area at all. The new coach should be able to bring in whoever he wants subject only to budget constraints.

I see a problem with this in that, if we have a football "department" headed by a GM of Football - Nolan, to whom the coach answers, then the process of coaching staff selection ought to be one where there is consultation between the two. Unfettered power, anywhere in the chain of command, as I suggested in my post above, can lead to poor outcomes, both in terms of staff choices, and in terms of bypassing systems put in place to avoid that from happening.

Conversely, why have a GM Football, where a key responsibility of the position is to oversight recruitment and retention - for mine relating to players AND coaching staff, in consultation with the coach, and taking into account the relevant budget. For example, if a new coach proposes the assistants he wants, then that should be a matter discussed at his job interview.

I have a problem where a key player (like the head coach) in a system can make choices without those choices being subject to scrutiny about their quality. I see many of our problems being grounded in decision making without accountability. Separately, for mine, our whole systems around accountability need to be re-visited as well given the criticism the club cops around decision making by the board and CEO.

 

[The Strapper]

I see a problem with this in that, if we have a football "department" headed by a GM of Football - Nolan, to whom the coach answers, then the process of coaching staff selection ought to be one where there is consultation between the two. Unfettered power, anywhere in the chain of command, as I suggested in my post above, can lead to poor outcomes, both in terms of staff choices, and in terms of bypassing systems put in place to avoid that from happening.

Conversely, why have a GM Football, where a key responsibility of the position is to oversight recruitment and retention - for mine relating to players AND coaching staff, in consultation with the coach, and taking into account the relevant budget. For example, if a new coach proposes the assistants he wants, then that should be a matter discussed at his job interview.

I have a problem where a key player (like the head coach) in a system can make choices without those choices being subject to scrutiny about their quality. I see many of our problems being grounded in decision making without accountability. Separately, for mine, our whole systems around accountability need to be re-visited as well given the criticism the club cops around decision making by the board and CEO.

You make a fair point and ordinarily that structure you outlined may work but these are not ordinary times as the club is in the middle of its biggest shitstorm since it was founded.
In my view Nolan should also be punted as he is a culpable as anyone for our roster mismanagement.
This would mean no GM of football for now. We just need to get a coach appointed and let him get on with organising his support staff. The CEO and all the other hangers on can come later. In my view the coach needs to be appointed asap.
Once this is done and all the other positions are filled we could maybe go back to the system you have outlined. Its just that at the moment we are in extraordinary times and need to take extraordinary action.
Sadly I think the current board are completely incapable of dealing with the current situation.

 

[rnabokov]

You make a fair point and ordinarily that structure you outlined may work but these are not ordinary times as the club is in the middle of its biggest shitstorm since it was founded.
In my view Nolan should also be punted as he is a culpable as anyone for our roster mismanagement.
This would mean no GM of football for now. We just need to get a coach appointed and let him get on with organising his support staff. The CEO and all the other hangers on can come later. In my view the coach needs to be appointed asap.
Once this is done and all the other positions are filled we could maybe go back to the system you have outlined. Its just that at the moment we are in extraordinary times and need to take extraordinary action.
Sadly I think the current board are completely incapable of dealing with the current situation.

I take your point. I nevertheless have serious misgivings about bypassing the very systems that are designed to prevent this shit from happening in the first place, the bypassing of which in fact did lead directly to the very real shit which is stinking up the club.

For mine, the first step is to install the systems, the mechanisms to guarantee accountability and therefore quality in decision making, before you make any serious, serious decisions, like appointing a head coach to a club which is basically in disarray. There is already debate whether Walters for example is the right choice for us as head coach, and in saying that, I am not impugning his credentials, merely pointing out the risks of selecting him - a decision which might be construed as a knee jerk response to a crisis which has been caused by deeper systemic problems which remain unaddressed. Again, the cart before the horse.

To me it reeks of desperation, not a good reason for making absolutely crucial decisions without proper scrutiny, decisions which will affect our future, short and long term.

We did that with Seibold. We must not repeat that mistake, particularly the circumstances which allowed it to happen.

 

[FaithinHook]

QRL Chairman Bruce Hatcher has come out today and thrown his support behind Kevvie to become Broncos coach. He said he has been very impressed with Kev's efforts as SOO coach and had shown he can make the tough decisions when required. Just believes he needs a strong support staff behind him (i.e. assistant coaches). Also doesn't believe it would be fair for Kev to take on both roles so WB will be on standby to take over in origin.

I am becoming more confident every day Kevvie will get the gig with us. Just gotta cross fingers the board don't **** this decision up again by appointing Green. It is a bit of a worry he hasn't gone for the Dragons job and you just wonder if he has some kind of 'promise' made to him about a particular coaching job.