#NoGreen

[WASSHHH]

Especially in a system where half the teams qualify
Especially in a system where half the teams qualify
Especially in a system where half the teams qualify

None of those coaches listed had those teams had built those teams either. So Green both built his team for years prior, and participated in a system where it was easier to make the finals.

Once a great coach has established his team, he's established. He might miss a finals because of circumstances, but not 3 in a row of a team he built. Not ever. More than likely that coach was carried by his team and on field leadership more than anything.

The Wayne Bennett example is with two different teams as well??? and it looked like Gibson was done after those 3 years. So..yeah..

You can focus on whatever finite point you like in a petty, immature and condescending way to try and argue your point, but fundamentally your point was wrong.

You stated no good coaches had missed the finals 3 years in a row and then put a myriad of caveats against it to hedge your bets.

1910 rightly pointed out that the two most decorated coaches and who most consider to be the very best did just that. One at the beginning of the career, the other at the end.

You’re welcome to try and keep arguing it on the conditions of whatever caveats you like, but don’t expect a response from me.

 

[Broncapz]

You can focus on whatever finite point you like in a petty, immature and condescending way to try and argue your point, but fundamentally your point was wrong.

You stated no good coaches had missed the finals 3 years in a row and then put a myriad of caveats against it to hedge your bets.

1910 rightly pointed out that the two most decorated coaches and who most consider to be the very best did just that. One at the beginning of the career, the other at the end.

You’re welcome to try and keep arguing it on the conditions of whatever caveats you like, but don’t expect a response from me.

That's fair enough. I didn't have data going back to the days of 'ciggies at half time' and only the top 1/3 qualifying.

Certainly no coach has driven a team from success to the pits like Green has and then regained that mojo. So for him to turn it around would be remarkable at the very least.

Certainly no shortage of people willing to believe Green's justifications on how he turned his premiership team to utter shit.

 

[abashii]

I wouldn't want Green here next year regardless of whether Wayne Bennett's coaching form three and a half decades ago is relevant. He should spend a year lying on the beach then maybe a couple as an assistant to get a bead on what went wrong for him and work on how to improve it next time. Buying him straight off the back of the Cowboy's spiral wouldn't be the best thing for him or for us. The place needs a massive, massive overhaul.

 

[Sproj]

I wouldn't want Green here next year regardless of whether Wayne Bennett's coaching form three and a half decades ago is relevant. He should spend a year lying on the beach then maybe a couple as an assistant to get a bead on what went wrong for him and work on how to improve it next time. Buying him straight off the back of the Cowboy's spiral wouldn't be the best thing for him or for us. The place needs a massive, massive overhaul.

Totally agree.

The reality is he has missed the finals for three years and the side this year looked like it wasn’t getting close again any time soon.

On top of that, statistics support the fact the Cows constantly get the run of the green with the refs and still, they haven’t played finals in three years.

So why bring him to a club that is already a rabble and DEFINITELY doesn’t get the rub of the green from the refs EVER. It is a second train wreck waiting to happen.

 

[berrigan]

Legit questions:

How did cows lose Ponga?

What happened to Hess? Wasn't he the next big thing out of the cows in his debut year?

Morgan has been very average for a long time, why?

They lost Ponga because Thurston selfishly stayed on for one more pointless year. Completely Thurston's fault.

 

[Nightwatchman]

They lost Ponga because Thurston selfishly stayed on for one more pointless year. Completely Thurston's fault.

Thurston 'selflshly' stayed on. Ha! He had a year left on his contract. I doubt the Cowboys were complaining that Thurston was playing on at the time either. As at the start of the 2018 year the Cowboys were tipped as premiership favorites by the pundits. People love to rewrite history to suit their own narrative.

The Ponga contract was ridiculous as well that the Knights offered him at the time. Ponga had barely played first grade and was been offered an extraordinary amount of money. Yeah it paid off, but I still don't like the precedent it sets of offering young players massive contracts into the future based on potential.

 

[berrigan]

Thurston 'selflshly' stayed on. Ha! He had a year left on his contract. I doubt the Cowboys were complaining that Thurston was playing on at the time either. As at the start of the 2018 year the Cowboys were tipped as premiership favorites by the pundits. People love to rewrite history to suit their own narrative.

The Ponga contract was ridiculous as well that the Knights offered him at the time. Ponga had barely played first grade and was been offered an extraordinary amount of money. Yeah it paid off, but I still don't like the precedent it sets of offering young players massive contracts into the future based on potential.

Thurston did a Boyd in that last year, he wasn't good, and was taking up very important cap space, which NQ could and would have used to sign Ponga for a career up there... so essentially if Thurston didn't stay there for that last useless year, they'd still have one of the future greatest

 

[berrigan]

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Thurston 'selflshly' stayed on. Ha! He had a year left on his contract. I doubt the Cowboys were complaining that Thurston was playing on at the time either. As at the start of the 2018 year the Cowboys were tipped as premiership favorites by the pundits. People love to rewrite history to suit their own narrative.

The Ponga contract was ridiculous as well that the Knights offered him at the time. Ponga had barely played first grade and was been offered an extraordinary amount of money. Yeah it paid off, but I still don't like the precedent it sets of offering young players massive contracts into the future based on potential.

and by the way, Thurston's last year was a ONE year contract, which is why Ponga decided / needed to leave for the money at Newcastle, and he'd already been waiting behind Thurston long enough

 

[Wolfie]

They lost Ponga because Thurston selfishly stayed on for one more pointless year. Completely Thurston's fault.

Thats rubbish. They lost Ponga in the same way we lost Fifita. He got offered massive money to move to Newcastle.

 

[broncos4life]

Wayne barely touched Newcastle, there was so much Tinkler schenanigans in that. It's a complete outlier in Wayne's resume. He's played finals football in almost every season. He's missed less finals in a much longer career than Green. So **** off with comparing a bad season of Wayne to Green's 3 seasons of spoon contention. Wayne never took a championship team and ran it into the gorund.

Oh those coaches you listed, Tim Sheens was most like Green. He won premierships, but the game just passed him. Like Green, he took premiership teams and ran them into the ground.

Canberra have been very patient with Ricky, and he's been close to the chopping block a few times. He's built a solid team, but Brisbane will not be as patient with Green.

Brad never took a championship team and ran it into the ground.

Must be great to be Wayne, it’s never ever his fault according to some people.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

I don't get why anyone would be shocked that Green turned out to be a spud. He may as well hand over his premiership ring to JT so he can wear it on his other hand. That's how much Green actually had to do with winning the title, and you have to factor in Hunt's brain explosions in the GF as well. Blind Freddy Fittler could have seen these lean years for the Cowboys coming as soon as Thurston retired, and even he went on one year too long for that exact reason. They probably begged him not to retire after 2016 just to delay the inevitable by one more year (they didn't).

Sadly for us, our board is too ignorant, stupid and self serving to realize this. They will look at the premiership next to Green's name and automatically think he is the best candidate from a PR point of view (because that's all they care about) just for that reason, and when questioned why they snubbed Walters again, they will cite his record at Catalans and call it a day.

 

[1910]

Was WB a head coach in 81,82 and 83?

Yes of course he was.

 

[1910]

Especially in a system where half the teams qualify
Especially in a system where half the teams qualify
Especially in a system where half the teams qualify

None of those coaches listed had those teams had built those teams either. So Green both built his team for years prior, and participated in a system where it was easier to make the finals.

Once a great coach has established his team, he's established. He might miss a finals because of circumstances, but not 3 in a row of a team he built. Not ever. More than likely that coach was carried by his team and on field leadership more than anything.

The Wayne Bennett example is with two different teams as well??? and it looked like Gibson was done after those 3 years. So..yeah..

Bennett is not with two different teams.

 

[Dexter]

Was WB a head coach in 81,82 and 83?

Absolutely, for those of us who acknowledge the Brisbane comp.

That's fair enough. I didn't have data going back to the days of 'ciggies at half time' and only the top 1/3 qualifying.

Certainly no coach has driven a team from success to the pits like Green has and then regained that mojo. So for him to turn it around would be remarkable at the very least.

Certainly no shortage of people willing to believe Green's justifications on how he turned his premiership team to utter shit.

Brothers finished 3rd in 1980 when Bennett first went there and 1910 has already told you what happened after that. The semis were a top 4 from 8 so 50% .

1980 was his 5th year as a coach his team finished 3rd before he drove his team to the pits missing the semis 81 82 83.
1981 his team finished dead last and in following years they finished 1 point and 3 points above last.

Lucky for us he persisted and went on to become a fair coach after overcoming a 3 year trend that is near impossible to overcome.

 

[Dexter]

I don't get why anyone would be shocked that Green turned out to be a spud. He may as well hand over his premiership ring to JT so he can wear it on his other hand. That's how much Green actually had to do with winning the title, and you have to factor in Hunt's brain explosions in the GF as well. Blind Freddy Fittler could have seen these lean years for the Cowboys coming as soon as Thurston retired, and even he went on one year too long for that exact reason. They probably begged him not to retire after 2016 just to delay the inevitable by one more year (they didn't).

Sadly for us, our board is too ignorant, stupid and self serving to realize this. They will look at the premiership next to Green's name and automatically think he is the best candidate from a PR point of view (because that's all they care about) just for that reason, and when questioned why they snubbed Walters again, they will cite his record at Catalans and call it a day.

Whilst I want Kevvie to get his chance it's just a silly argument to say a coach (any coach ) is a spud because they had a good player or 2. That's what it takes.
Plenty of people will line up to tell you Wayne should have won a lot more GFs with the squads he has had.

 

[Broncapz]

Whilst I want Kevvie to get his chance it's just a silly argument to say a coach (any coach ) is a spud because they had a good player or 2. That's what it takes.
Plenty of people will line up to tell you Wayne should have won a lot more GFs with the squads he has had.

Alright, Wayne Bennett didnt make the finals 3 years in a row in an weekend amatuer comp. Amatuer sports and Professional sports are two completely different beasts. What a very pendantic distinction to make?

Tell us, if historical premierships are the token of a good coach . Why don't we give Tim Sheens the gig? He's got way more premmies.

 

[lynx000]

Alright, Wayne Bennett didnt make the finals 3 years in a row in an weekend amatuer comp. Amatuer sports and Professional sports are two completely different beasts. What a very pendandic distinction to make?

Tell us, if historical premierships are the token of a good coach . Why don't we give Tim Sheens the gig? He's got way more premmies.

Grasshopper, you are showing your ignorance and disrespect to call the BRL comp of the late 70's and 80's a weekend amateur competition. The standard of the best teams in that competition during those years was a smidgin below the Sydney NSWRL comp.

 

[Broncapz]

Grasshopper, you are showing your ignorance and disrespect to call the BRL comp of the late 70's and 80's a weekend amateur competition. The standard of the best teams in that competition during those years was a smidgin below the Sydney NSWRL comp.

Ah so it wasn't played on the weekend? and players got to play in the BRL as their full time job? My bad.