Peter Wallace officially released to join Panthers

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unbreaK said:
Haven't seen anything of the Broncos NYC team this season, how fast is Taylor? Compared to someone in the NRL
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Compared to Jack Reed he is lightning:laugh:

Seriously though most of his tries have come away from home so i have only seen good things of his short kicking game and close range tries at home
 
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Ari Gold said:
Hunt might be the answer. After two injury forced starts though Hook has refused to do just what you asked - plump someone next to Wallace. Instead he's opted to stick Prince beside him. Had Wal not been around that could be Hunt next to Prince, but its not.

Hooks basic refusal to drop anyone ever makes Wallace a big long term problem IMO.
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Surely you realise that makes no sense. If anything, Hook's refusal to drop Prince for Hunt would be the problem...
The real problem is that Norman, after beating Hunt to the position, sucked large hairy balls at 5/8, then Prince beat both of them to the position.

I do believe Hunt can provide some, if not a lot, of what we need with time, but he hasn't been able to show it, and regardless of what anyone says, he did get the opportunity to do it several times, during trials and every day at training, so what the **** is he waiting for? And if we really want him to be our go to guy, then send him to Qcup for the rest of the season to reacquire the mechanisms and routine of a halve!

The fact that Hook publicly states we are in the market for the right player, shows that they know we need to do something about our halves.

I do however agree with Coxy about us being too conservative, and maybe we should just give a couple of promising youngsters like Cornish and/or Milford a go, even give up on the rest of the season and give them the time to gel and get used to the NRL. I have absolutely no issue with that, as long as there is a clear direction from the club and understanding that we are planning for the future, but I'm not sure it's the right thing for the club, as seeing the Broncs at the bottom of the ladder might cost us a lot of sponsorship and memberships...
 
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Porthoz said:
I'm just trying to put some perspective in this Wallace bashing, because I do believe that with the right partner, he can be very useful and at the very least give us some time to find a second gem to replace him.
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The only way I can agree to his continued presence in the team would be if Griffin shifted him into dummy half or played him from the bench.

I like the dummy half Wallace......he's a lot sharper than McC and has the same set of skills.

I'd also like to think that's not so much a reflection on how crap McC is but more a recognition of Wallace's genuine dummy half / Hooker skills.
 
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Porthoz said:
Surely you realise that makes no sense. If anything, Hook's refusal to drop Prince for Hunt would be the problem...
The real problem is that Norman, after beating Hunt to the position, sucked large hairy balls at 5/8, then Prince beat both of them to the position.

I do believe Hunt can provide some, if not a lot, of what we need with time, but he hasn't been able to show it, and regardless of what anyone says, he did get the opportunity to do it several times, during trials and every day at training, so what the **** is he waiting for? And if we really want him to be our go to guy, then send him to Qcup for the rest of the season to reacquire the mechanisms and routine of a halve!

The fact that Hook publicly states we are in the market for the right player, shows that they know we need to do something about our halves.

I do however agree with Coxy about us being too conservative, and maybe we should just give a couple of promising youngsters like Cornish and/or Milford a go, even give up on the rest of the season and give them the time to gel and get used to the NRL. I have absolutely no issue with that, as long as there is a clear direction from the club and understanding that we are planning for the future, but I'm not sure it's the right thing for the club, as seeing the Broncs at the bottom of the ladder might cost us a lot of sponsorship and memberships...
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First off, I don't necessarily buy that Hook would reward good showings in training. This is hook, he makes a conservative coach look like a rebel in comparison. Prince and Wallace are safe options, Griffin loves safe. More over, Hunt is our bench hooker. Presumably he trains each week to do that job, so frankly I don't know how he's supposed to wow the pants off Hook as a half prospect.

As for Hunt, no he hasn't demanded he be selected in first grade and he hasn't dominated in a way that forces the coach's hand. But frankly, neither has Prince this year. Hunt is young and could grow to become an important player for us in the future, Prince is none of these things. As such, I think the emphasis should be on Prince to demand selection and play at a level that warrants us holding back the development of a younger half. He's not yet he still gets picked ahead of Hunt because he's a safer option and as I said, Griffin loves safe.

The problem I have with your argument about making players outplay the incumbents is that it means a guy who might have what it takes but needs the 8-10 games to get the confidence to do that isn't going to get that because we have a better performing, safer but limited alternative in Prince or Wallace around who will be selected instead.

Look at some of the halves that have popped up since 2011 - Adam Reynolds, Josh Reynolds, Daly Cherry-Evans, Shaun Johnson, Albert Kelly. Not all of them in their first 3-4 games showed the kind of form that would necessarily displace Wallace if he were a member of their respective teams, but because their clubs didn't have Wallace they got a prolonged opportunity in first grade to see if they could grow into the players their clubs want them to be. I get why you want Hunt to have to outplay a Wallace/Prince like incumbent, but I think that kind of insistence of strict meritocracy is robbing us of the chance to find our own DCE or Reynolds etc.
 
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Bingo. Wallace's very presence means the Broncos will never give a young half an extended go.

Again, I'm not saying drop him now. But release him for next season. We simply won't go anywhere with him at the club
 
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I had the worst thought...Wallace is manipulating the Broncs DCE style to get them to pay him more money.
 
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If we are currently targeting a Panthers player, is this a player trade for Wallace
 
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Tim Grant would be good but I fear maybe Coote, Johns or Kingston
 
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I'd happily take the speed of Roberts.

Off topic sorta, but I see they do a Panthers podcast. That's kinda cool! Maybe BHQ should do that - Bennett v Bellamy episode Mark 287614 -- I can see it already.
 
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Ari Gold said:
First off, I don't necessarily buy that Hook would reward good showings in training. This is hook, he makes a conservative coach look like a rebel in comparison. Prince and Wallace are safe options, Griffin loves safe. More over, Hunt is our bench hooker. Presumably he trains each week to do that job, so frankly I don't know how he's supposed to wow the pants off Hook as a half prospect.

As for Hunt, no he hasn't demanded he be selected in first grade and he hasn't dominated in a way that forces the coach's hand. But frankly, neither has Prince this year. Hunt is young and could grow to become an important player for us in the future, Prince is none of these things. As such, I think the emphasis should be on Prince to demand selection and play at a level that warrants us holding back the development of a younger half. He's not yet he still gets picked ahead of Hunt because he's a safer option and as I said, Griffin loves safe.

The problem I have with your argument about making players outplay the incumbents is that it means a guy who might have what it takes but needs the 8-10 games to get the confidence to do that isn't going to get that because we have a better performing, safer but limited alternative in Prince or Wallace around who will be selected instead.

Look at some of the halves that have popped up since 2011 - Adam Reynolds, Josh Reynolds, Daly Cherry-Evans, Shaun Johnson, Albert Kelly. Not all of them in their first 3-4 games showed the kind of form that would necessarily displace Wallace if he were a member of their respective teams, but because their clubs didn't have Wallace they got a prolonged opportunity in first grade to see if they could grow into the players their clubs want them to be. I get why you want Hunt to have to outplay a Wallace/Prince like incumbent, but I think that kind of insistence of strict meritocracy is robbing us of the chance to find our own DCE or Reynolds etc.
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I agree with much of what you're saying, but I don't think Wallace is to blame about any of it. That's my point!
If you want a half to get a chance, Prince has to be the one to go, not Wallace.

Besides, if Hook is so conservative, what on earth makes you think that dumping Wallace will not make Griffin do something opposed to what you expect, and make a decision instead which will make all of us tear our hair off our heads?
 
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Ari Gold said:
I'd happily take the speed of Roberts.

Off topic sorta, but I see they do a Panthers podcast. That's kinda cool! Maybe BHQ should do that - Bennett v Bellamy episode Mark 287614 -- I can see it already.
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I suggested a podcast a couple of years ago, but no one was interested!

I wouldn't mind Mansour if we picking players from the Panthers. Tim Grant is an obvious one.
 
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In regards to DCE, Reynolds, etc, those players were forced to bide their time in NSW / QLD cup until their opportunity arose. In their preferred position. I wonder how Hunt would be performing right now if he'd done a two year apprenticeship in the QLD cup at #7. And better yet, even if he wasn't performing, at least we'd know.
 
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ningnangnong said:
I suggested a podcast a couple of years ago, but no one was interested!

I wouldn't mind Mansour if we picking players from the Panthers. Tim Grant is an obvious one.
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I'd be down for a podcast, my voice is made for radio lol
 
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If there is any substance to this panthers player I would love it to be coote, grant or mansour.
 
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