PRE-GAME PRE-GAME [Round 4, 2023] Broncos vs Dolphins

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007 said:
On paper absolutely.

My worry is Benny will feed them coffe via IV drips and they will find an extra 20% and rattle the cage early.

If we can hold them or break them inside the first 50mins, we can sail away.
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I do think if we put points on early we will win big. If its tight towards the end i have a bit of a worry because regardless of what anyone thinks of them they have shown they play the full 80.
 
We’ve been playing Melbourne for years and haven’t been too worried about Felise. I don’t think anyone is going to start worrying now. If anything, this is a desperate look from the Dolphins. Like it’s fucking round 4 and they are desperately trying to get him off like it’s the GF. I hope the boys are preparing like they will for any other game this season.
 
Compete for 80mins, defend your arses off. More of what we’ve done in the first 3 games. Go Broncos!!!
 
Such trash on 360 saying this game is Kev’s biggest test up against Wayne. Well… Kev coached against Wayne twice last year and won both! And South’s had a far better side.

I’m all for hyping the game, but show some factual insight FFS.
 
Wolfie said:
Depends also on what you are looking at as well, stills or video. In real time, the Suaalii one looks worse to me and in real time Kafusi appears to attempt to reduce the impact, but once you commit to that sort of tackle you are asking for trouble, they are reckless. I've also seen stills where Kafusi's shot looks high, then you look at another angle and it just looks like he is wrapping him up and clearly shows he's nowhere near his head. You cant trust still images.

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To me, they are both late hits from behind, the result on the player is still the same with him being hit when he isnt expecting it. Its dangerous. Getting hit around that kidney area isnt fun either. Should be outlawed like a shoulder to the head imo.
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Only the 1 or 2 weeks this one should be imo. It’s only just marginally late enough to be penalised, any earlier and it wouldn’t be late. I think there is clear intent to try and withdraw once he realised he didn’t have it and I personally don’t think that is remotely high. Obviously it’s in the upper body region but that’s fair game.

Obviously the issue here is the back faced towards the defender. My personal opinion when it’s fractionally late the attacker has to bear the responsibility for the outcome. Halves are a half the size so if he chooses to attack the line and turn his back and dish the ball knowing very well the pressure is on I don’t think the defender should be that heavily punished for a slightly late tackle. He wants to gain an advantage and he puts himself in a position where he can get injured to gain an advantage so I think Felise has been hard done by a bit. I’d want my defenders attacking a half like that and I’d be pretty pissed off right now if we were losing our enforcer for 3-4 weeks because halves can put themselves in any vulnerable position and not expect any sort of contact or physicality. You attack the line like that and any committed defender is hitting you in the back. He got hit in the back cause he turned his back on a committed defender. The halves seem to be able to do whatever they want and the defender suffers the consequence and severely in this case. You take the risk of turning your back to gain an advantage and you need to bear responsibility that the outcome might not be nice. I don’t think the judiciary should be taking into account the fact he got hit in his back at all.

You might slightly consider it in terms of the late contact but in itself I don’t think it should be considered a dangerous tackle as long as the circumstances are reasonable as I believe they are for this. I think it’s a bit rough but obviously Felise stormed in and has to accept that in this climate the judiciary don’t look favourably on any remotely iffy tackles you can’t be that aggressive every time you are in the defensive line. Regardless I really don’t like the calll there on that one cause I think it really is one of those cases where a defender shouldn’t be punished for an attackers risky action. I’m a firm believer that Hastings put himself in a dangerous position not Felise.
 
Big Pete said:
Bennett didn't coach last year.

They've met twice, Bennett's team won 35-6 and 46-0.
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My ignorance aside, I stand by my ‘trash’ and ‘lack of any factual insight’ comments. The show irritates me endlessly… and yet, I keep watching. Maybe I need a HIA
 
MrRobot said:
My ignorance aside, I stand by my ‘trash’ and ‘lack of any factual insight’ comments. The show irritates me endlessly… and yet, I keep watching. Maybe I need a HIA
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Because it's the only footy fix during the week and despite the fact a lot of it is trash, every now and then they do bring up good topics and make some good points regarding the game.
 
You couldn't pay me to watch that dribble.
 
Let’s say Hetherington is fit, do you bring him straight back in or give him a Cup game?
 
Sproj said:
Let’s say Hetherington is fit, do you bring him straight back in or give him a Cup game?
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Keep him on ice.

His best value will be back end of season where we need that extra punch. Around the ruck, red sets, 40-60mins into a game where he can be hungry and aggressive. Mobility and stength is his value best kept for deeper into the competition.
 
I want to make it clear that I absolutely hate agreeing with Wolfie...

However the Suaalii hit was just as bad if not worse than the Kaufusi hit.



You could make the case that Kaufusi could not reasonably pull out of the contact at the point Hastings releases the ball. Whereas, Suaalii is standing flat footed and doesn't initiate the tackle until the pass is made. It's only when the pass is thrown he squares CNK up and hits him in the back.

Interestingly while CNK didn't go off right away, he was diagnosed with a concussion after the game and it was believed that hit caused the whiplash in his brain.

It really comes down to where you stand on the pace of the tackle. Does the speed of Felise's tackle consitute a harsher or more leniant sentence? Does the speed he's travelling define Felise's mens rea or do we determine that if he had hit him as hard as he could, the tackle would have been catastrophic? I'm sure the defence is all over that.

I do think the MRC made a meal of it by not upgrading Suaalii's charge. That wasn't a simple check, that was a full blooded hit and it's resulted in the victim spending time on the sideline. It should have been a sin-bin and a 3 match suspension given it was his third offence.
 
Big Pete said:
I want to make it clear that I absolutely hate agreeing with Wolfie...

However the Suaalii hit was just as bad if not worse than the Kaufusi hit.



You could make the case that Kaufusi could not reasonably pull out of the contact at the point Hastings releases the ball. Whereas, Suaalii is standing flat footed and doesn't initiate the tackle until the pass is made. It's only when the pass is thrown he squares CNK up and hits him in the back.

Interestingly while CNK didn't go off right away, he was diagnosed with a concussion after the game and it was believed that hit caused the whiplash in his brain.

It really comes down to where you stand on the pace of the tackle. Does the speed of Felise's tackle consitute a harsher or more leniant sentence? Does the speed he's travelling define Felise's mens rea or do we determine that if he had hit him as hard as he could, the tackle would have been catastrophic? I'm sure the defence is all over that.

I do think the MRC made a meal of it by not upgrading Suaalii's charge. That wasn't a simple check, that was a full blooded hit and it's resulted in the victim spending time on the sideline. It should have been a sin-bin and a 3 match suspension given it was his third offence.
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Given you couldn’t really have two more similar examples, it just boggles the mind how they came up with what they did for one but not the other. I mean this is exactly what people are crying out about. Either both of them are suspended or both aren’t, both with similar priors too. It is just pure incompetence.
 
I think Kaufusi got a Grade 2 because his had a higher chance of more serious consequences due to the speed he's going.

But really, they both should be Grade 2. If we want to get serious about protecting playmakers and stamping out this sort of tackle, giving people who are on large sums of money measly fines is not how you do it.
 
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