POST GAME Round 12 - Broncos vs West Tigers

[Porthoz]

Why does Hunt cop it all? Milford was fucking shit. His error rate is too high, his kicking game is pretty poor for a 6, and he doesn't offer much when we're behind.

I'm not calling for Milford to be sacked or anything, great player, but it seems like Hunt cops the brunt of every loss while Milford is a golden child.

Probably because Hunt is 26 years old, and has 150 games under his belt, while Anthony is 21 years old with half the games played...

He's a great halfback when he can run the ball and play like a 5/8, but as soon as a real halfback is required, he only dishes out poo. Hunt has no excuse for what he dished up tonight, absolutely none! His one good kick was an accidental result of kicking the ball out of balance, or it would probably have landed in the 5th row.

Again, I have said this a million times:
Hunt is a really good 5/8, but we have a better one already, and we need someone actually capable of finishing 5th tackles and control a game, like... I don't know... oh wait... how about a fucking halfback?

That said, Anthony was also poor despite trying his hardest. Still he was imo by far the better half.
Like the other kids out there, he was not to blame for this loss. That rests solely on most of our senior players, especially Hunt and Blair, but I though Glenn was pretty poor too, in conjunction with Reed and Eden. The latter more because he has no clue how to carry a ball and avoid being pushed back as far as he ran forward.

On the other side, Maranta regressed to his 2013 form. Both the floating passes from Hunt should've been his, but his indecision cost us big time. I hope it's just jitters after a long injury absence, but he better get his act together quick!

Yes, we lost the forwards battle, but I will not blame the youngsters. Arrow, Ese'ese, Su'a, Wallace, Pangai (fucking monster of a kid, hopefully he will become our Taumalolo) and Ofahengaue (why didn't he come back?) did what they could to stop a much more experienced pack, and were let down by their senior players, except Macca, who had an acceptable game.

That last play, with Blair literally walking around like a headless chicken, Kodi going in the wrong direction and Hunt being clueless... if I was Benny, I would lose it in the dressing room.

Kahu was head and shoulders the best Bronco, and I feel sorry for him, for having to deal with that clusterfuck in front of him!

P.S. Don't even come with the bullshit excuse of having nothing to play with. A good halfback will come to the rescue of a faltering pack, controlling the game, slowing it down, turning the opposition around, kicking for corners and making the opposition work hard to get out of their half. Hunt is utterly incapable of that!

 

[Nashy]

Oh ... And if we are hoing to leave Reed in the team can we at least swap him and Roberts.... So Robertd gets the same amount of ball as Reed is currently getting

And leave no decent attacking weapons on the right side of the field? C'mon, we use the left because it currently works, it's pretty clear the right side attack will play a part in this team, but just not right now.

 

[vertigo]

they've done nothing in 2016 to show me they warrant that status.

they're years and at least a couple of personnel changes away from warranting it

The only thing that buoys me is we'll have McGuire (touch wood) for the back end of the season this time.

That being said we were playing better last year and won every game through the Origin period - something that I don't see being repeated.

 

[Super Freak]

Do you know what else fucking sucks?

I don't get a free big mac tomorrow because Hunt missed that fucking field goal and Kahu missed that conversion!

Broncos had to score 19+ points win or lose.

ASSHOLES!

 

[Pushkin]

I just want to point out few thing. Broncos attack is not good as compare to last year. In my opinion because of Kevin Walter. I remember last season Wayne coaching the knight. Through mid season Kevin Walter joint the Knights. They win last 10. Then last season Kevin was our attacking coach. That is why our half were that good. This season everyone is talking about hunt lacking the confidence. I donot thinks so. Last season Ben hunt already know that he need to improve is kicking game. Still hunt kicking game don't improve. Its almost half season gone. Let see if Ben hunt improve is kicking game or not. I still believe we should kept Ashley Taylor. Only way Broncos can win nrl premiership, if Kevin Walter join Broncos after origin.

 

[vertigo]

That's actually a really good point [MENTION=9011]Pushkin[/MENTION], great first post and welcome to the forum mate.

 

[Unbreakable]

All-Runs (Broncos) Top 5
Jordan Kahu - 14 (89m)
Adam Blair - 13 (98m)
Alex Glenn - 13 (125m)
Tevita Pangai Jr - 13 (124m)
Greg Eden - 12 (88m)

Tackles (Broncos)
Jadyn Su'A - 45 (1 Missed)
Andrew McCullough - 42 (1 Missed)
Jarrod Wallace - 41 (3 Missed)
Alex Glenn - 40 (0 Missed)
Ben Hunt - 29 (4 Missed)

Thought Pangai was our best tonight, Su'A looked good defensively, just lacked a bit of punch with his runs.

 

[Jason Simmons]

We were missing nearly our entire forward pack, our fullback (that just so happens to be the Australian and QLD fullback) and our best winger.

Get a ****ing grip.

It isn't the loss of the players. It is back to back losses now with the same problems and same result...

Our halves are disinterested. Ben Hunt does rubbish bombs we either are consistently not ready for, aren't in the game plan or we simply don't care enough to chase. Time and time again we bomb with the futile hope they would make errors and let us back into the game. We've been doing it for weeks with no results to show. Because it is a shit play and DOES. NOT. WORK.

We pass to no-one. We throw intercepts. Our tactical kicking is awful and the only plays we have don't work unless our origin stars are present, yet our full strength spine is intact, apart from our fullback...

And on top of which, we still consistently lose on goal kicking...

 

[Stix]

It isn't the loss of the players. It is back to back losses now with the same problems and same result...

Our halves are disinterested. Ben Hunt does rubbish bombs we either are consistently not ready for, aren't in the game plan or we simply don't care enough to chase. Time and time again we bomb with the futile hope they would make errors and let us back into the game. We've been doing it for weeks with no results to show. Because it is a shit play and DOES. NOT. WORK.

We pass to no-one. We throw intercepts. Our tactical kicking is awful and the only plays we have don't work unless our origin stars are present, yet our full strength spine is intact, apart from our fullback...

And on top of which, we still consistently lose on goal kicking...

Cheers

 

[Fernando]

Uggh that second last tackle of the match where we should have been setting up for field goal is one of the worst plays (possibly the worst) I have ever seen from the Broncos.

And the two players at fault were the two that should have been directing the play - Blair and Ben Hunt.

 

[Fernando]

Probably because Hunt is 26 years old, and has 150 games under his belt, while Anthony is 21 years old with half the games played...

He's a great halfback when he can run the ball and play like a 5/8, but as soon as a real halfback is required, he only dishes out poo. Hunt has no excuse for what he dished up tonight, absolutely none! His one good kick was an accidental result of kicking the ball out of balance, or it would probably have landed in the 5th row.

Again, I have said this a million times:
Hunt is a really good 5/8, but we have a better one already, and we need someone actually capable of finishing 5th tackles and control a game, like... I don't know... oh wait... how about a fucking halfback?

That said, Anthony was also poor despite trying his hardest. Still he was imo by far the better half.
Like the other kids out there, he was not to blame for this loss. That rests solely on most of our senior players, especially Hunt and Blair, but I though Glenn was pretty poor too, in conjunction with Reed and Eden. The latter more because he has no clue how to carry a ball and avoid being pushed back as far as he ran forward.

On the other side, Maranta regressed to his 2013 form. Both the floating passes from Hunt should've been his, but his indecision cost us big time. I hope it's just jitters after a long injury absence, but he better get his act together quick!

Yes, we lost the forwards battle, but I will not blame the youngsters. Arrow, Ese'ese, Su'a, Wallace, Pangai (fucking monster of a kid, hopefully he will become our Taumalolo) and Ofahengaue (why didn't he come back?) did what they could to stop a much more experienced pack, and were let down by their senior players, except Macca, who had an acceptable game.

That last play, with Blair literally walking around like a headless chicken, Kodi going in the wrong direction and Hunt being clueless... if I was Benny, I would lose it in the dressing room.

Kahu was head and shoulders the best Bronco, and I feel sorry for him, for having to deal with that clusterfuck in front of him!

P.S. Don't even come with the bullshit excuse of having nothing to play with. A good halfback will come to the rescue of a faltering pack, controlling the game, slowing it down, turning the opposition around, kicking for corners and making the opposition work hard to get out of their half. Hunt is utterly incapable of that!

This.

 

[Mr Fourex]

We were missing nearly our entire forward pack, our fullback (that just so happens to be the Australian and QLD fullback) and our best winger.

Get a fucking grip.

Sshhh!...we're pretenders remember. Stop making sense!

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Uggh that second last tackle of the match where we should have been setting up for field goal is one of the worst plays (possibly the worst) I have ever seen from the Broncos.

And the two players at fault were the two that should have been directing the play - Blair and Ben Hunt.

You know what irked me? The play after the break down the left side - about six Tigers were never back onside. Not even close. Do you think those two nuffies with the whistle had the nads to blow a penalty? No way.

 

[Unbreakable]

Probably because Hunt is 26 years old, and has 150 games under his belt, while Anthony is 21 years old with half the games played...

He's a great halfback when he can run the ball and play like a 5/8, but as soon as a real halfback is required, he only dishes out poo. Hunt has no excuse for what he dished up tonight, absolutely none! His one good kick was an accidental result of kicking the ball out of balance, or it would probably have landed in the 5th row.

Again, I have said this a million times:
Hunt is a really good 5/8, but we have a better one already, and we need someone actually capable of finishing 5th tackles and control a game, like... I don't know... oh wait... how about a fucking halfback?

That said, Anthony was also poor despite trying his hardest. Still he was imo by far the better half.
Like the other kids out there, he was not to blame for this loss. That rests solely on most of our senior players, especially Hunt and Blair, but I though Glenn was pretty poor too, in conjunction with Reed and Eden. The latter more because he has no clue how to carry a ball and avoid being pushed back as far as he ran forward.

On the other side, Maranta regressed to his 2013 form. Both the floating passes from Hunt should've been his, but his indecision cost us big time. I hope it's just jitters after a long injury absence, but he better get his act together quick!

Yes, we lost the forwards battle, but I will not blame the youngsters. Arrow, Ese'ese, Su'a, Wallace, Pangai (fucking monster of a kid, hopefully he will become our Taumalolo) and Ofahengaue (why didn't he come back?) did what they could to stop a much more experienced pack, and were let down by their senior players, except Macca, who had an acceptable game.

That last play, with Blair literally walking around like a headless chicken, Kodi going in the wrong direction and Hunt being clueless... if I was Benny, I would lose it in the dressing room.

Kahu was head and shoulders the best Bronco, and I feel sorry for him, for having to deal with that clusterfuck in front of him!

P.S. Don't even come with the bullshit excuse of having nothing to play with. A good halfback will come to the rescue of a faltering pack, controlling the game, slowing it down, turning the opposition around, kicking for corners and making the opposition work hard to get out of their half. Hunt is utterly incapable of that!

Pretty much this, Hunt is leading the NRL in try assists this year, but he's not a conventional Halfback, his kicking game and game control is really below average, probably in the bottom half of the league in terms of Number 7's, his saving grace is that he's a great runner of the ball and (usually) a good passer of the ball, with great players around him capable of finishing off the tries.

When we released Ash Taylor we passed the point of no return, we're going to just have to put our faith in him and Milford continuing to improve individually and as a halves pairing, because god knows we need them to be the best versions of themselves if we're going to be winning a premiership(s) in the small window that's open right now.

 

[Mr Fourex]

And on top of which, we still consistently lose on goal kicking...

We'll never be a genuine premiership contender until we get a decent goal kicker.......

and decent halves .......until then we'll never be genuine premiership contenders

oh, and Kevie Walters .....until we get him, we'll never be genuine premiership contenders

......we're so far away from the Cowboys

and the Sharks (??)

:laugh::laugh:

 

[Broncs_Fan]

Pretty much this, Hunt is leading the NRL in try assists this year, but he's not a conventional Halfback, his kicking game and game control is really below average, probably in the bottom half of the league in terms of Number 7's, his saving grace is that he's a great runner of the ball and (usually) a good passer of the ball, with great players around him capable of finishing off the tries.

When we released Ash Taylor we passed the point of no return, we're going to just have to put our faith in him and Milford continuing to improve individually and as a halves pairing, because god knows we need them to be the best versions of themselves if we're going to be winning a premiership(s) in the small window that's open right now.

I reckon Ash Taylor is the better halfback.

 

[Fernando]

We'll never be a genuine premiership contender until we get a decent goal kicker.......

and decent halves .......until then we'll never be genuine premiership contenders

oh, and Kevie Walters .....until we get him, we'll never be genuine premiership contenders

......we're so far away from the Cowboys

and the Sharks (??)

:laugh::laugh:

Dude we lost to a Tigers side missing Tedesco, Woods and Farah.

And on top of that we have a halfback that can't handle pressure, has no tactical nous or game management skills whatsoever and can't kick a football to save his life.

 

[bazza]

I'm sick of the hate and blame directed at Hunt. He is not the sole player in the team. Furthermore he is not the sole half in the team. It's a collective effort. Hunt came up with some crucial plays to get us back in the match. Milford was worse than Hunt in almost every regard, but since he's considered the 'chosen one' around here, all his awful performance tend to get covered up pretty quickly. What's worse is that when he plays terrible, Hunt cops the blame for that too. It's unfair for Hunt to cop unwarranted criticism, with half the side away on rep duty.

We played the whole game on the back foot. We had no yardage gain. We were barely getting out of our 40m mark.You throw in JT or Cronk, and they'd struggle to assert themselves in the game too. It's not Milford or Hunt's fault, when our young forwards weren't able to lay the required platform to work off the back of.

How about we stop pointing the finger at one player, and instead we take a long hard look at the pathetic game plans and tactical decisions Bennett is making lately. When Griffin was in charge, you'd here about it every second post, now there's barely a mention of it. The use of the bench was terrible.

This isn't just about tonight, but for the current season as well as the last season.

How about we stop taking two points every time were down the opposition half? Maybe then our halves can actually shine? It just stifles our attack.There's a time and place to go for goal, but Bennett doesn't seem to differentiate between when the times right and when it's not. It requires a bit of game awareness, instead just having a black and white policy of taking the two each time.

Opposition teams have figured out how to beat us... Just give away a penalty when the Broncos are in the opposition 30 metres. Not only does that stop the Broncos from scoring tries, it gives our halves no rhythm in attack, which then carries on when we actually need to score tries. In a game, you don't get many opportunities in the opposition red zone. By taking two every time, you've basically given up an opportunity to build pressure and ultimately score a try. We're not making the most of our opportunities in attack. Teams aren't having their goal line defence put under pressure, meaning they're not tiring, and by not testing their defence, our attack isn't gelling.

Each time we're taking the penalty in the opposition half, it could also be the last time we're down there. Our attack has so much strike but we are extremely under utilising it by exclusively opting take the negative option of going for two. Surely after doing that in the Grand Final, and having it come back to bite us, as well as multiple times in the past, we'd change things up? It happened again last week. The Cowboys got a roll on, and we barely touched the ball again in quality field position.

As for some other questionable decisions:

Why do we have the quickest player in the comp, and give him zero ball, but instead give all the ball to the slowest player in the comp? Why from every scrum do we give it straight to Reed, when that is the ideal time to involve Roberts, while half the players on the field are still locked into the scrum, leaving ample space for Roberts to work in?

Why was Ofahengaue barely used in the second half, after making 76m in the first 30minutes? Was he injured? Why was Su'a used for the full 80, when it was clear he was struggling with the amount of work he was forced to do in his first NRL match? Why was TPJ taken off as soon as he was making a positive impact with some strong carries? Why was Arrow given the least amount of minutes, apart from Ese'Ese, when he is the one who can most easily play the longest minutes in the NRL after doing it in the ISC?

Why was Blair even given the captaincy to begin with? He has never been a player who leads from the front. He has always been a player who enjoys being given a specific task, and he'll do it to the best of his ability for the duration of the match. He needs his orders to be specific, and we've seen since his Tiger's days, that he struggles and get's lost within a match when given such a broad assignment, such as a captaincy. He wasn't himself out there, and he struggled big time with his own game as a result. Part of me now actually thinks it was a ploy to get to Tallis...

I would of expected tonight, without the Origin stars, to just go out and play football, without much burden. Try a few things, be adventurous when the times right, and use this game to learn how to build pressure. Learn to control the match. We lacked intensity and were out enthused from the get go. Our inexperienced forwards were making minimal metres, and we we're always playing from within our own half. Hopefully we can learn from this game, and be better in the next games without our origin players. I'm sure our young guns will be better for the run.