POST GAME Round 17 - Titans vs Broncos

[Brotherdu]

On the topic of milf not being a game controlling half, wouldn't you agree his game controlling has gone up a level this season? After focussing on it solely the first half, it seems the last two games we are starting to see his running game. Isn't that what you'd want from a mil per season player, someone that works on their shortcomings and in turn makes them a better player? I'm all for milf learning some game control - it's only going to keep paying off long term, and in turn, lengthen his career

I agree, heaps better, I've been really impressed. Although it must be said, the young forwards have really stepped up and helped him with that by laying a good platform.

He still gets caught out of position or with the ball on tackle 4/5 and forced to run too often though, but overall I think there has been a big improvement.

 

[john1420]

Thing with Taylor is he probably compliments what we have better than Knik. Yes he was rubbish against us, but generally he has a strong kicking game. Thats what we sorely lack. For us going forward, we just need to find a half who compliments and is different to what we currently lack. They dont have to be a superstar as a fit and firing Milf is a superstar imo. We just need to let him play his natural game and stop trying to make him into a game controlling half. He isnt one.

Unfortunately Taylor is getting superstar money, and will probably want to keep getting it

 

[Wolfie]

Unfortunately Taylor is getting superstar money, and will probably want to keep getting it

Who wouldnt.

 

[Porthoz]

I don't have an opinion on the rest of your post but I am pulling this up. You are talking about comparisons made in the live thread? You have to be fucking kidding. Half the shit said in there isn't fit to be read and should probably be perma-deleted at the conclusion of each game. We are 9 pages in to the live game thread where we are discussing Taylor and his flaws and not once has Nikorima even been mentioned (except by you) so you try and justify it by something that was said in the cesspool that is the live game thread? That is deflection at it's absolute finest.

You don't have an opinion on the rest of the post, but you're just going to pull the one thread you can still pick on... right.

Speaking of, I don't think you understand the meaning of deflection. I didn't pretend Taylor's flaws weren't there, and I'm not excusing or justifying anything with Nikorima. It's a valid comparison between the halfbacks who played this game, and I'm clearly saying that despite Taylor's flaws (which I clearly acknowledged!), I'd still have him before Kodi as our 7. I don't understand what is unclear about my stance.

P.S. I'm not going to bring all the posts in this thread alone, much less the live one... but **** me, did you even forget your own "Ash Taylor is a fat little cat. I want him nowhere near this team ever." ?

 

[broncos4life]

You don't have an opinion on the rest of the post, but you're just going to pull the one thread you can still pick on... right.

Speaking of, I don't think you understand the meaning of deflection. I didn't pretend Taylor's flaws weren't there, and I'm not excusing or justifying anything with Nikorima. It's a valid comparison between the halfbacks who played this game, and I'm clearly saying that despite Taylor's flaws (which I clearly acknowledged!), I'd still have him before Kodi as our 7. I don't understand what is unclear about my stance.

P.S. I'm not going to bring all the posts in this thread alone, much less the live one... but **** me, did you even forget your own "Ash Taylor is a fat little cat. I want him nowhere near this team ever." ?

I’m not picking on a thread, I literally had nothing to say to the rest so discussed the bit I did have something to say to. What was I meant to do? Quote each paragraph individually and say ‘yep’ ‘yep’ ‘agreed’ ‘not sure your point but ok’ ‘yep’?

In terms of the last bit how does that have anything to do with Kodi? I didn’t say he is a fat little cat that I don’t want anywhere near my team because Kodi is a way better halfback. I don’t want Taylor at the Broncos and I also don’t want Kodi at halfback. Ash is not the only halfback in the game meaning that not wanting him means that Kodi is locked in at 7.

I have honestly read your post several times and have tried to understand your point but I just don’t, whether that is a reflection on me I am unsure but in either case I will leave it there.

 

[Porthoz]

I’m not picking on a thread, I literally had nothing to say to the rest so discussed the bit I did have something to say to. What was I meant to do? Quote each paragraph individually and say ‘yep’ ‘yep’ ‘agreed’ ‘not sure your point but ok’ ‘yep’?

In terms of the last bit how does that have anything to do with Kodi? I didn’t say he is a fat little cat that I don’t want anywhere near my team because Kodi is a way better halfback. I don’t want Taylor at the Broncos and I also don’t want Kodi at halfback. Ash is not the only halfback in the game meaning that not wanting him means that Kodi is locked in at 7.

I have honestly read your post several times and have tried to understand your point but I just don’t, whether that is a reflection on me I am unsure but in either case I will leave it there.

In other words we're both misinterpreting the whole Nikorima thing. I'm not using Kodi to excuse Taylor, and you're not saying you'd have him over Taylor. Let's leave it at that, since it appears you agree with the rest of my previous post.

 

[CaptainHook]

I'd rank Nikorima ahead of Taylor atm.

Kodi was easily the better player on Sunday and looking back at the match summary for Round 4 Nikorima's stats were better than Taylor's.

Kodi is going ok I reckon.

 

[Unbreakable]

I'd rank Nikorima ahead of Taylor atm.

Kodi was easily the better player on Sunday and looking back at the match summary for Round 4 Nikorima's stats were better than Taylor's.

Kodi is going ok I reckon.

I'm all for shitting on the traitor, but even I can't go that far, Taylor is clearly better than Nikorima in terms of being a "Halfback", Kodi has a more versatile running game, which is evident in the stats, but in terms of overall production, it's not particularly close.

Ash - 15 games, 2 tries, 16 try assists, 3 line-breaks, 12 line-break assists, 8 forced drop outs, 17 offloads
Kodi - 15 games, 4 tries, 4 try assists, 8 line-breaks, 4 line-break assists, 4 forced drop outs, 1 offload

 

[CaptainHook]

I'm all for shitting on the traitor, but even I can't go that far, Taylor is clearly better than Nikorima in terms of being a "Halfback", Kodi has a more versatile running game, which is evident in the stats, but in terms of overall production, it's not particularly close.

Ash - 15 games, 2 tries, 16 try assists, 3 line-breaks, 12 line-break assists, 8 forced drop outs, 17 offloads
Kodi - 15 games, 4 tries, 4 try assists, 8 line-breaks, 4 line-break assists, 4 forced drop outs, 1 offload

Fair call mate.

I don't follow Titans games. The only times I've seen Taylor play this year is the Broncos games and I think Nikorima got the better of him.

I don't mind Nikorima. The only criteria I base that on is the enjoyment I get watching Broncos games and I can honestly say he doesn't shit me half as much as Ben Hunt used to.

That may change but for now I'm happy for WB to stick with him.

 

[Aldo]

I'm all for shitting on the traitor, but even I can't go that far, Taylor is clearly better than Nikorima in terms of being a "Halfback", Kodi has a more versatile running game, which is evident in the stats, but in terms of overall production, it's not particularly close.

Ash - 15 games, 2 tries, 16 try assists, 3 line-breaks, 12 line-break assists, 8 forced drop outs, 17 offloads
Kodi - 15 games, 4 tries, 4 try assists, 8 line-breaks, 4 line-break assists, 4 forced drop outs, 1 offload

Yeah, it's hard to argue with that.

 

[pagey]

I'd rank Nikorima ahead of Taylor atm.

Kodi was easily the better player on Sunday and looking back at the match summary for Round 4 Nikorima's stats were better than Taylor's.

Kodi is going ok I reckon.

No no no ! Broncos ahead of titans yes , kodi over taylor no. Look at there stats and you will see , also put Taylor with our team and then you will get a better idea.

 

[Accept]

I'd rank Nikorima ahead of Taylor atm.

Kodi was easily the better player on Sunday and looking back at the match summary for Round 4 Nikorima's stats were better than Taylor's.

Kodi is going ok I reckon.

lol, unfortunately Kodi doesn't rank ahead of anyone. Worst #7 in Bronco's history and that includes Shane Walker who got a game there once.

 

[Pub Steak]

The difference is Ash taylor threw his career away by taking the big $ at the team with the worst player development in the nrl. He could have gone almost anywhere, or stayed with broncs, earned normal money and had a chance to become one of the best halves in the game. We will never really see his true potential and already the money and the culture is evident in his game and attitude. His loss. So many young players think they’re superstars cause of big offers these days and that’s the end of them. Kodi isn’t a better halfback but has put himself in a better position to be a better player than ash based on attitude, people around him, culture and it’s evident in his effort, work ethic and improvements. Some players will never be good halfbacks but even if he doesn’t become one, Milf will be and Kodi will be a really good player because of the experience (personally I think he’s a 5/8 and prob a very good one).

 

[Alec]

The difference is Ash taylor threw his career away by taking the big $ at the team with the worst player development in the nrl. He could have gone almost anywhere, or stayed with broncs, earned normal money and had a chance to become one of the best halves in the game. We will never really see his true potential and already the money and the culture is evident in his game and attitude. His loss. So many young players think they’re superstars cause of big offers these days and that’s the end of them. Kodi isn’t a better halfback but has put himself in a better position to be a better player than ash based on attitude, people around him, culture and it’s evident in his effort, work ethic and improvements. Some players will never be good halfbacks but even if he doesn’t become one, Milf will be and Kodi will be a really good player because of the experience (personally I think he’s a 5/8 and prob a very good one).

Do you think that if the Titans threw a mil at Kodi he wouldn't take it?

 

[Battler]

Do you think that if the Titans threw a mil at Kodi he wouldn't take it?

Yes, because that would be beyond insane for a player like Kodi. It would be like someone offering Oates over a mil.

Taylor had the chance to develop on the Broncos on about 750-800k, which was overs at his current development and would have cost us someone like TPJ or Isaako. A 200k price cut to play at a club that will get the best out of him and is more likely to look after him long term (post career as well and in the off chance that he's injured) vs a stupid deal from a basketcase club that is barely keeping its head above water and is dishing out dumb deals left right and centre (Boyd and Wallace are on like 1.5mil between them LOL), further compromising its, and Taylor's, chances of success. Lucky for him he has the media on their knees waxing lyrical about everything he does right and ignoring his many pitfalls.

With the extreme talent we have coming through the Titans kamikaze signing has only really hurt us for a season or two until said talent develops into FG regulars, it has absolutely destroyed the Tits' chances of doing anything for the next 5-10 years. Hell, we've already unearthed a bloke in Isaako who has, IMO, a better chance of becoming a better spine player than Taylor when he transitions to FB.

 

[Thelmus]

You can criticise Taylor for his attitude on and off the field (I don't see it personally, but I don't watch him that closely), but not for taking that kind of money. Anyone would.
I think its a mistake long term as his career would have been a lot longer and more lucrative here, but sometime a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
That said he definitely could train harder or eat healthier, as he lacks the kind of endurance halves (at least with the pay he gets) normally have.

 

[Pub Steak]

Do you think that if the Titans threw a mil at Kodi he wouldn't take it?

Maybe Kodi would take it... I’m pretty sure we’ll never know. And if he did I’d be saying the same thing about him and his attitude and culture, etc would prob suffer also. That wasn’t really my point to compare the players. More to compare the systems. Yeah young guys see the dollar signs and want that superstar feeling but it is at the detriment of their career. And it’s why Bennet, the best player coach out there doesn’t compete against stupid offers that he knows will mess up a players attitude. I’m generalising as some players can remain humble and handle it. But many can’t. My opinion is that Ash taylor has a fucketload of potential and that the Titans will not be able to extract it. He can prob still be a fairly good half in years to come but never a Thurston or Cronk, which he may have been at the Broncs.

 

[Number6]

Yeah but he's been playing well for almost two months now so everyone's shut up about him. Same blokes have been very quiet regarding other things too

He’s been playing more adequate and less like a legless cat. Well is a big stretch that Boyd’s hamstrings are still yet to show....