PRE-GAME Round 2 - Broncos vs Cowboys

[Kyall]

I think give Haas a run he only will get the same amount of time as Su’a did last week anyway.

 

[Morkel]

The Broncs made a huge tactical error last night but it is the fact it is the same tactical error over the last two seasons is the big concern. The team does not have the massive forwards other sides do, so they should be spreading the ball every tackle, play an expansive game. They have the players to do it...but they rarely if ever do. This team cannot play like a traditional team, they can't bash and barge up the middle, they are too easily tackled and driven back. They can't kick for field position, they don't have the halves for it. They can't do what traditional sides do, so why not try something different? play wide and play risky football. No one in the comp will expect it and some nights (since they rarely play in the day) it definitely won't come off but it can't be any worse than watching that horror show last night can it?

Exactly right, this is the style of play I remember from 2015. We need to be giving the ball to our forwards early with space so they can isolate defenders and get a quick play the ball at the very least.

****, ****, **** guys. Can we just stop this bullshit? It's right up there with crying about how Milford and Nikorima looked so shit, while completely ignoring the fact our pack was thoroughly beaten and had no room, no time, and no opportunities to put anything together.

You know why the above "just spread it wider" doesn't work? For the same reason that teams simply have to cart the ball one-out sometimes, despite it not looking very exciting. We already have the defence in our faces. Every pass not only has to go backwards, but takes time to do so, so the moment the eventual runner has the ball the defence will already be all over them. The best way to make tough metres is a single well-timed pass to a running forward, in tight. End of. The times that teams have spread it out wide quickly and managed to get around the opposition is when the defence has overly compressed to swarm in, leaving room out wide. If the runners are on the back foot, the defence doesn't need to compress, therefore there are no spaces out wide. Spreading it ends in lost territory, or worse, errors because the runners are trying to catch the ball with the defence already there.

Get the forward to time their run, receive the ball tight in, tuck it under and do whatever it takes to get on your elbows and knees fast and fight like crazy for a quick PTB.

Also, the calls to drop the experienced players and throw the youth in there. Again, think about it. Use TPJ as an example. Great carries with the ball, offloads were great. But how was he on the other side of the ball? He gave away two of those killer off-side penalties right when it hurt us the most. But most telling was his shit-house defence for JDB's try. **** knows what he was trying to do, whether it was trying to rip the ball out, but a seasoned-first grader knows that if a team-mate already has the player low, you wrap that fucking ball up like it's a live grenade. Don't try to steal it, don't try to outmuscle the ball-runner, cling on to that bitch and make sure you get between the ball and the ground at all costs. It's these issues that are characteristic of young, talented, but inexperienced players, that cost you big time when the game is on the line.

If we can hold on to the ball, and get some of the home-town advantage that the Dragons got in being allowed to hold down the opposition in the ruck, we'll hold our own against the Cows.

 

[Sproj]

If we can... get some of the home-town advantage that the Dragons got in being allowed to hold down the opposition in the ruck, we'll hold our own

These things the Broncs NEVER do or allowed to do. And come on man, you know me a bit better than suggesting to get rid of old guys just because. We have three blokes who have very little in a long time, Thaiday, Sims and Boyd.

Thaiday hasn't done anything good really since THAT Roosters game...two years ago. Sims has to fight against his own genes and aside form that Newcastle game last year, has been pretty average. Boyd plays like a cat these days and HE IS THE CAPTAIN. I don't want him necessarily dropped, I want him either regaining fitness in reserve grade or better still, have him regain fitness on the wing.

I DESPERATELY want these three (and others) to lift their game, I am not a hater but I am also not ignorant of the fact this round's performance seems like a carbon copy of what was being dished out on regular occasions last year. It isn't the loss the bothers most of us, it is the way they lost and the fact this side has that kind of rubbish in them on a semi-regular basis.

 

[tommy]

Thaiday hasn't done anything good really since THAT Roosters game...two years ago

It's actually nearly 3 years ago. That photo SF posted in the 2018 team thread he reminds me of one of them gooses that has never had to hunt for food because people feed him a loaf of bread a day for free.

 

[_wwong]

****, ****, **** guys. Can we just stop this bullshit? It's right up there with crying about how Milford and Nikorima looked so shit, while completely ignoring the fact our pack was thoroughly beaten and had no room, no time, and no opportunities to put anything together.

You know why the above "just spread it wider" doesn't work? For the same reason that teams simply have to cart the ball one-out sometimes, despite it not looking very exciting. We already have the defence in our faces. Every pass not only has to go backwards, but takes time to do so, so the moment the eventual runner has the ball the defence will already be all over them. The best way to make tough metres is a single well-timed pass to a running forward, in tight. End of. The times that teams have spread it out wide quickly and managed to get around the opposition is when the defence has overly compressed to swarm in, leaving room out wide. If the runners are on the back foot, the defence doesn't need to compress, therefore there are no spaces out wide. Spreading it ends in lost territory, or worse, errors because the runners are trying to catch the ball with the defence already there.

Get the forward to time their run, receive the ball tight in, tuck it under and do whatever it takes to get on your elbows and knees fast and fight like crazy for a quick PTB.

Also, the calls to drop the experienced players and throw the youth in there. Again, think about it. Use TPJ as an example. Great carries with the ball, offloads were great. But how was he on the other side of the ball? He gave away two of those killer off-side penalties right when it hurt us the most. But most telling was his shit-house defence for JDB's try. **** knows what he was trying to do, whether it was trying to rip the ball out, but a seasoned-first grader knows that if a team-mate already has the player low, you wrap that fucking ball up like it's a live grenade. Don't try to steal it, don't try to outmuscle the ball-runner, cling on to that bitch and make sure you get between the ball and the ground at all costs. It's these issues that are characteristic of young, talented, but inexperienced players, that cost you big time when the game is on the line.

If we can hold on to the ball, and get some of the home-town advantage that the Dragons got in being allowed to hold down the opposition in the ruck, we'll hold our own against the Cows.

Surely professional players, albeit rookies, would know all these fundamentals that you, an interweb forum guy, are preaching.

 

[Morkel]

These things the Broncs NEVER do or allowed to do. And come on man, you know me a bit better than suggesting to get rid of old guys just because. We have three blokes who have very little in a long time, Thaiday, Sims and Boyd.

Thaiday hasn't done anything good really since THAT Roosters game...two years ago. Sims has to fight against his own genes and aside form that Newcastle game last year, has been pretty average. Boyd plays like a cat these days and HE IS THE CAPTAIN. I don't want him necessarily dropped, I want him either regaining fitness in reserve grade or better still, have him regain fitness on the wing.

I DESPERATELY want these three (and others) to lift their game, I am not a hater but I am also not ignorant of the fact this round's performance seems like a carbon copy of what was being dished out on regular occasions last year. It isn't the loss the bothers most of us, it is the way they lost and the fact this side has that kind of rubbish in them on a semi-regular basis.

I'm not lumping you in to the "bring on the kids" camp, just saying that in my opinion your argument of passing the ball wider similarly does not make sense in the situation we're in.

 

[Morkel]

Surely professional players, albeit rookies, would know all these fundamentals that you, an interweb forum guy, are preaching.

Yeah, they know. But fatigued, under pressure, game getting away from you, it's easy to revert to habits that may have served you well in lower grades or when you were younger, but don't cut it in the NRL. As a 15 year old, I'm sure he would have easily been able to strip that ball from the opposition player who was 25kg lighter than him and didn't have the same ball control as a relatively hardened NRL player. Next time, he'll make a better decision, but all these young players have a fuckload of first-grade lessons (ie, errors) in them before they're going to be anything resembling reliable.

 

[Alec]

I'm not lumping you in to the "bring on the kids" camp, just saying that in my opinion your argument of passing the ball wider similarly does not make sense in the situation we're in.

You don't have to make it go side to side or anything like that. Just one pass away from the killzone, where the opposition defence has set up camp and is happy for you to keep running into them. It's something you see halves trying when their forwards are struggling to advance sometimes.

 

[Super Freak]

Could he be any worse than moga and kahu?

He would dish up about the same as Kahu or Moga.

We need to replace them with players that are actually going to be an improvement. Otherwise we will keep the same old shit hoping for a different result, it's the very definition of insanity.

 

[Sproj]

You don't have to make it go side to side or anything like that. Just one pass away from the killzone, where the opposition defence has set up camp and is happy for you to keep running into them. It's something you see halves trying when their forwards are struggling to advance sometimes.

Morkel, this is the point. I mean, one of the WORST offenders for this is once again...Thaiday. What is the point of running back into the markers (offside is never penalised anymore) and flopping straight down and the ref calling 'surrender'. Add that into the fact guys like Sims make almost reverse metres, you need to do something different, bashing and barging works for teams like the Cows, Storm and Dragons because their packs are huge and not afraid of getting hurt.

Lodge seems capable of doing that sort of work based on last week (that run he did after the Bronc's first try was a thing of beauty, no thought of self-preservation whatsoever, it was beautiful. But this side is more skillful than hard nuts...so use it. Use your skillful props and second-row, use the offloads generated by TPJ. Tell McGuire to develop one. Have your little guys running off that...if they aren't heavier and slower than the forwards that is.

 

[Jason Simmons]

Nikorima doesn't really have a lot of time if he wants to be the starting half. If we drop games the pressure will mount and they'll chop him. For sure.

For who? Troy Dargan? Sam Scarlett?

Times are tough, but really?

 

[broncos4life]

****, ****, **** guys. Can we just stop this bullshit? It's right up there with crying about how Milford and Nikorima looked so shit, while completely ignoring the fact our pack was thoroughly beaten and had no room, no time, and no opportunities to put anything together.

You know why the above "just spread it wider" doesn't work? For the same reason that teams simply have to cart the ball one-out sometimes, despite it not looking very exciting. We already have the defence in our faces. Every pass not only has to go backwards, but takes time to do so, so the moment the eventual runner has the ball the defence will already be all over them. The best way to make tough metres is a single well-timed pass to a running forward, in tight. End of. The times that teams have spread it out wide quickly and managed to get around the opposition is when the defence has overly compressed to swarm in, leaving room out wide. If the runners are on the back foot, the defence doesn't need to compress, therefore there are no spaces out wide. Spreading it ends in lost territory, or worse, errors because the runners are trying to catch the ball with the defence already there.

Get the forward to time their run, receive the ball tight in, tuck it under and do whatever it takes to get on your elbows and knees fast and fight like crazy for a quick PTB.

Also, the calls to drop the experienced players and throw the youth in there. Again, think about it. Use TPJ as an example. Great carries with the ball, offloads were great. But how was he on the other side of the ball? He gave away two of those killer off-side penalties right when it hurt us the most. But most telling was his shit-house defence for JDB's try. **** knows what he was trying to do, whether it was trying to rip the ball out, but a seasoned-first grader knows that if a team-mate already has the player low, you wrap that fucking ball up like it's a live grenade. Don't try to steal it, don't try to outmuscle the ball-runner, cling on to that bitch and make sure you get between the ball and the ground at all costs. It's these issues that are characteristic of young, talented, but inexperienced players, that cost you big time when the game is on the line.

If we can hold on to the ball, and get some of the home-town advantage that the Dragons got in being allowed to hold down the opposition in the ruck, we'll hold our own against the Cows.

That kind of logic and well thought out explanation won’t go down well here. Better throw in a ‘**** bennett’ and/or a ‘Your Milf is so fat’ joke just to be safe.

 

[Viti]

****, ****, **** guys. Can we just stop this bullshit? It's right up there with crying about how Milford and Nikorima looked so shit, while completely ignoring the fact our pack was thoroughly beaten and had no room, no time, and no opportunities to put anything together.

You know why the above "just spread it wider" doesn't work? For the same reason that teams simply have to cart the ball one-out sometimes, despite it not looking very exciting. We already have the defence in our faces. Every pass not only has to go backwards, but takes time to do so, so the moment the eventual runner has the ball the defence will already be all over them. The best way to make tough metres is a single well-timed pass to a running forward, in tight. End of. The times that teams have spread it out wide quickly and managed to get around the opposition is when the defence has overly compressed to swarm in, leaving room out wide. If the runners are on the back foot, the defence doesn't need to compress, therefore there are no spaces out wide. Spreading it ends in lost territory, or worse, errors because the runners are trying to catch the ball with the defence already there.

Get the forward to time their run, receive the ball tight in, tuck it under and do whatever it takes to get on your elbows and knees fast and fight like crazy for a quick PTB.

Also, the calls to drop the experienced players and throw the youth in there. Again, think about it. Use TPJ as an example. Great carries with the ball, offloads were great. But how was he on the other side of the ball? He gave away two of those killer off-side penalties right when it hurt us the most. But most telling was his shit-house defence for JDB's try. **** knows what he was trying to do, whether it was trying to rip the ball out, but a seasoned-first grader knows that if a team-mate already has the player low, you wrap that fucking ball up like it's a live grenade. Don't try to steal it, don't try to outmuscle the ball-runner, cling on to that bitch and make sure you get between the ball and the ground at all costs. It's these issues that are characteristic of young, talented, but inexperienced players, that cost you big time when the game is on the line.

If we can hold on to the ball, and get some of the home-town advantage that the Dragons got in being allowed to hold down the opposition in the ruck, we'll hold our own against the Cows.

I’m not talking about going from side to side without any thought of going forward. What I mean is while we don’t have the forwards or the hooker to bash and barge it up the middle we should be going two passes wide and getting our runners to isolate a defender then get a quick play the ball. Then as you say get people doing the one out runs too really get the defence on the back foot.

 

[Broncs_Fan]

For who? Troy Dargan? Sam Scarlett?

Times are tough, but really?

They'll likely just try something like Milf at 7 and Bird at 6 if it doesn't work out.

 

[Broncs_Fan]

Boyd is struggling at training (hamstring) and has been sent to the rehab group according to Chris Garry on Twitter.

 

[Unbreakable]

The issue clearly isn't going away, give him a few weeks off, no point in carrying him at 70%. Will give us an opportunity to change some things up in the backline anyway, which need a to happen.

1. Isaako
2. Oates
3. Roberts
4. Opacic
5. Kahu
6. Milford
7. Nikorima
8. Lodge
9. McCullough
10. Thaiday
11. Glenn
12. Gillett
13. McGuire

14. Murphy
15. Pangai Jr
16. Ofahengaue
17. Sims

 

[Unbreakable]

Nevermind.

 

[PerthBrissy987]

He needs to give it away if he keeps having hammy issues , it’s just hindering the team