PRE-GAME [Round 25, 2022] Broncos vs Dragons

[theshed]

He talks about Kevvie being out of touch, Reynolds coaching the attack, being too unfit to hack the pace at hooker, not watching other games, etc. He comes across fine. It's not until you unpack all the subtext you can see he's not happy and wanting a release is not a surprise.

What was the out of touch comments ? I don’t recall that part

 

[the_next]

got any markers for these comments?

Around that 9:30 mark where he talks about its hard being in the top 4 when you come up against bottom teams is interesting. Also sounds like the group think they’re a lot better then what they really are..
listening to that really tells me the group lacks mentally what it takes to do anything in the comp. He even touches on the remaining games of the year coming up against lower teams and references “easy games” which sounds horrendous in hindsight.
Says a lot about the squad if they all have similar thinking imo.

 

[007]

Around that 9:30 mark where he talks about its hard being in the top 4 when you come up against bottom teams is interesting. Also sounds like the group think they’re a lot better then what they really are..
listening to that really tells me the group lacks mentally what it takes to do anything in the comp. He even touches on the remaining games of the year coming up against lower teams and references “easy games” which sounds horrendous in hindsight.
Says a lot about the squad if they all have similar thinking imo.

Yeah just heard that. Really concerning. No NRL game is easy if you treat it as easy.

 

[McHunt]

What was the out of touch comments ? I don’t recall that part

Dude, don't make me listen to it all over again. I think it's near the beginning. It's in subtext, underneath the faint compliments, talking about how Reynolds is the real coach, and that the game has changed since Kevvie's time. For example, he talks about how Reynolds and Capewell's experience showed them how to win. It might seem like the same thing as Kevvie is saying, but it's more damning when you take into account the team has already had a year under him.

At first I took the whole interview as complimentary, then it sank in, and didn't sit so well. Especially in light of him asking for a release.

 

[BroncosFever]

Around that 9:30 mark where he talks about its hard being in the top 4 when you come up against bottom teams is interesting. Also sounds like the group think they’re a lot better then what they really are..
listening to that really tells me the group lacks mentally what it takes to do anything in the comp. He even touches on the remaining games of the year coming up against lower teams and references “easy games” which sounds horrendous in hindsight.
Says a lot about the squad if they all have similar thinking imo.

Yes, I got the feeling the Parra win came too easy. A few fans on here were carrying on a bit about winning the comp and whatever else after that game.

I strongly advise people to watch the leadup to our first few tries in that game, we had luck in nearly all of them. By that point, all we had to do was tackle effectively and use the ball well.

 

[theshed]

Dude, don't make me listen to it all over again. I think it's near the beginning. It's in subtext, underneath the faint compliments, talking about how Reynolds is the real coach, and that the game has changed since Kevvie's time. For example, he talks about how Reynolds and Capewell's experience showed them how to win. It might seem like the same thing as Kevvie is saying, but it's more damning when you take into account the team has already had a year under him.

At first I took the whole interview as complimentary, then it sank in, and didn't sit so well. Especially in light of him asking for a release.

To be honest I don’t think I’ve ever heard any player give Kev a wrap.

I’ve heard them compliment Reynolds, Capes, James, or even TMM but I can’t remember ever hearing them wrap Kev

 

[Wolfie]

I still maintian Kevvie is a good coach, he isnt a good head coach. I dont think he is strong enough to get into the likes of Haas and Staggs and drop them for their under performance. Haas has been ok this year, but apart from a spell for 4 weeks or so before Origin Staggs has done nothing, and the worrying thing he just looks disinterested and lazy.

 

[Skathen]

I still maintian Kevvie is a good coach, he isnt a good head coach. I dont think he is strong enough to get into the likes of Haas and Staggs and drop them for their under performance. Haas has been ok this year, but apart from a spell for 4 weeks or so before Origin Staggs has done nothing, and the worrying thing he just looks disinterested and lazy.

Kev is an out and out good bloke. That's kinda the problem.

The best coaches are those who can take an average player, simplify their game, get their head on straight and make them do the little things well, to the point they go from average to above average.

They then take their good players and push them to be great, by highlighting what parts of their game are shit and forcing them to confront them.

My impression is that Kev is a good motivational speaker, knows the game well and has knowledge and culture to teach the team.

What I don't see though, is accountability in correcting behaviours and errors.

A number of tries we've let in this year have come from simply a failure for the defense to slide with the ball while also maintaining line speed.

You don't want to be tackling with your foot on the try line. You want to be pushing out so when that first or second receiver gets the ball - the defensive line should be 5 meters+ so they have to break the line to have a chance.

Even against the roosters - we showed near no line speed in the first set of the match and conceded nearly 70 meters.

That's got nothing to do with fitness. That's attitude, accountability, game plan and a total failure at training.

The biggest issue with this, is that falling back and resetting after each play the ball, should not require "active" thinking - the good teams are on auto-pilot, they get back the ten, as soon as the ball hits the dirt, they are pushing forward as a unit, quickly. We simply don't do this consistently and when we start doing it poorly, we get pushed from one end to the other. It's not primarily a fitness issue. It's a training/coahing issue - an inexcusable one.

 

[Midean]

163 points conceded in 3 weeks is my prediction.

This team is an embarrassment, to go from 4th to dropping out of the 8 in the most important leg of the season has given me a whole new level of contempt for this outfit.

I expect them to lose now.

 

[Big Del]

Still can’t believe that Flegs massive hit was penalised let alone reported. That really could have fired the boys up and from where the ref was standing, there is absolutely no way whatsoever he could have seen that was a shoulder charge even if it was.

I’d like the Broncs to ask for a please explain on that because us fans aren’t even sure who apparently did the shoulder charge, Flegs or Riki but Flegs was called out straight away, basically showing he is a target for refs.

Kikau does exactly the same type of tackle every second hit and is applauded for it.

It was a great tackle and clearly penalised for hitting too hard. Totally killed any chance we had of getting into the contest, yes I know it was unlikely regardless.

Riki tucked his arm in .
Legit shoulder charge . TV flashed up Thomas`s face as the culprit . Replay showed it was Riki your honour .

 

[Mitchell_Broncos]

Alrighty so I am going to do something i didnt think i would be doing sitting here 6 weeks ago, waiting for this afternoon to either cheer on manly or cheer on raiders to put me out of mizory. mmmmm.

 

[Santa]

Alrighty so I am going to do something i didnt think i would be doing sitting here 6 weeks ago, waiting for this afternoon to either cheer on manly or cheer on raiders to put me out of mizory. mmmmm.

Let's go Manly!

 

[Mustafur]

I don't think what Tyson said in the Podcast was damning, but it did raise eyebrows on the Reyno coaching remark though he said that was just for attack and he did think Kevvie was from a different era.


Him wanting a release makes sense when you hear how badly he wants to play and how annoyed he gets when he isn't playing even if he says he understands it given what's Infront of him, given his age and the improvements he has made as a player since coming here from the Tigers it makes sense that he will have to leave to get more playing time, remember Storm tried to sign him last year and had he taken that option he would of got double the games there then what he has gotten for us this year, including playing now at 6 with Munster in fullback.

 

[_wwong]

I don't think what Tyson said in the Podcast was damning, but it did raise eyebrows on the Reyno coaching remark though he said that was just for attack and he did think Kevvie was from a different era.


Him wanting a release makes sense when you hear how badly he wants to play and how annoyed he gets when he isn't playing even if he says he understands it given what's Infront of him, given his age and the improvements he has made as a player since coming here from the Tigers it makes sense that he will have to leave to get more playing time, remember Storm tried to sign him last year and had he taken that option he would of got double the games there then what he has gotten for us this year, including playing now at 6 with Munster in fullback.

I wonder if there is a hooker in the lower grades of a Sydney team or any local comp similar to gamble where he’s good enough for nrl but can’t get much game time.

 

[Sproj]

I wonder if there is a hooker in the lower grades of a Sydney team or any local comp similar to gamble where he’s good enough for nrl but can’t get much game time.

Jake Simpkin. He is good enough to get games but has had some injuries, has Koraisau coming in and is one of our juniors.

 

[BooKhaki]

I don't understand the love for Simpkin on here. He is so average. I don't wanna sign players who are barely, if at all, better than what we are dealing with now, especially coming from clubs worse off than us.

 

[Big Del]

I don't think what Tyson said in the Podcast was damning, but it did raise eyebrows on the Reyno coaching remark though he said that was just for attack and he did think Kevvie was from a different era.


Him wanting a release makes sense when you hear how badly he wants to play and how annoyed he gets when he isn't playing even if he says he understands it given what's Infront of him, given his age and the improvements he has made as a player since coming here from the Tigers it makes sense that he will have to leave to get more playing time, remember Storm tried to sign him last year and had he taken that option he would of got double the games there then what he has gotten for us this year, including playing now at 6 with Munster in fullback.

Get released , don`t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out .

I think Gamble has won the hearts of supporters with his personality and on field bravado .
I also think just like at the Broncos he will struggle to lock down a 1st grade starters spot at another club .

Other than sledging what are his strengths ?? Forward pass on the left side of the field ?

 

[theshed]

Get released , don`t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out .

I think Gamble has won the hearts of supporters with his personality and on field bravado .
I also think just like at the Broncos he will struggle to lock down a 1st grade starters spot at another club .

Other than sledging what are his strengths ?? Forward pass on the left side of the field ?

He has a great short ball for his second rowers and a better than average short kicking game but outside of that it’s all energy and not too much else. Fairly limited player.