tommy
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A still shot? Really?
A still shot? Really?
Gaz
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Sadly, we’re not that highly tuned at the minute that it matters who is playing and who is not. It’s an 'across the board' thing. We need to lift as a team. We need to get it together and lift as one.
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I think the attack will pay dividends over the course of the year but our poor defence was the issue identified in the off season and that quite obviously hasn't been improved. WB and others have pointed out that it's an attitude thing so it has to be Seibolds priority. I won't really write anything about Seibold until we've had a full season because 4 games isn't enough to judge. I think Seibold had a much more mature team at Souths, true leaders who demanded more from their partners and Seibold's big challenge is to show he has all the skills of the modern day coach and not just a grasp of the fundamental skills.
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Wolfie
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He has to be given time, absolutely no doubt about that. I'm just a little concerned with him for two reasons. Our defence, especially our missed tackles is very worrying, his trying to shoehorn all our backrowers into the side. My own thinking is he is giving the players a few rounds to either sink or swim then the changes will come if they sink.
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Yes, I agree that's likely the thinking. Is Taga still being used just for training purposes? As I wrote elsewhere I think the test for Seibold will be creating the defensive mindset, the attitude. The old 'none shall pass' thing.
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Just because I'm a stubborn **** who likes to prove a point... I did some stuff:
Rugby League isn't that complicated. You hold the ball and complete your sets, more often than not you win.
Of our last 29 games, the team who has had the highest completion rate has won 24 of them. Of the ones that went the other way:
* Storm R1 2019: We had superior completion rate, but only had 47% of possession and inferior field position.
* Warriors, R18 2018: Who the **** knows. The Warriors are just unpredictable.
* Warriors, R6 2018: See above. Though we did have superior possession (53%) and slightly better error rate.
* Titans, R4 2018: Stats were actually really close, I think it was one of those games where they made their moments count.
* Cowboys, R2 2018: This was that game where they had all the running and possession at the end (boosting their stats) but we defended like **** and won the game with the Goal Post Try Save.
Looking further, there are only 3 games where the team that had either even or superior completion, error & possession rates didn't win, those being the R2, R3 & R18 games from last year.
Essentially, hold the ball, complete sets = win the game.
Rugby League isn't that complicated. You hold the ball and complete your sets, more often than not you win.
Of our last 29 games, the team who has had the highest completion rate has won 24 of them. Of the ones that went the other way:
* Storm R1 2019: We had superior completion rate, but only had 47% of possession and inferior field position.
* Warriors, R18 2018: Who the **** knows. The Warriors are just unpredictable.
* Warriors, R6 2018: See above. Though we did have superior possession (53%) and slightly better error rate.
* Titans, R4 2018: Stats were actually really close, I think it was one of those games where they made their moments count.
* Cowboys, R2 2018: This was that game where they had all the running and possession at the end (boosting their stats) but we defended like **** and won the game with the Goal Post Try Save.
Looking further, there are only 3 games where the team that had either even or superior completion, error & possession rates didn't win, those being the R2, R3 & R18 games from last year.
Essentially, hold the ball, complete sets = win the game.
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Why bother? We know that the actual problem is Boyd and Macca
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You are right. Completions come from attitude and leadership. They are two of your most senior players and one throws his hands up while either not tackling and throwing he ball over the sideline or tackles and gets dragged fifteen metres or penalty kicks for 10m or throws hospital passes out of dummy half that have the defense in he catchers face and rushing him.
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And don’t forget the daddy jokes and slow service!
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Boyd was poor, but the "passes over the sidelines" were on Oates, and his poor positioning. Those passes were perfect, and hit the exact spot where Oates should have been to score the tries. I love Corey, and his hard running is crucial for us, but the last couple of weeks he and Isaako have put is under too much unearned pressure.
On the "errors & competions" thing, obviously it's not just a matter of cuddling the ball, dropping to the ground and conceding a tackle (and yes, I see how people could read that and go "that's Boyd every kick return!!!"). Most "errors" have to be earned, and it's not just errors with the ball in hand, it's also mistakes defensively. The whole point of the game is to force the opposition in to error, if no team makes an error, it's a 0-0 scoreline. Hence why the old "run hard, tackle hard" mantra always runs true, because doing so puts the other team under more pressure, causes more fatigue, and leads to mistakes on both sides of the ball. Also why things such as pressure on kickers, kick chase, etc are so vital.
Defensively, most errors are passive, as in caused by fatigue, either the defender is physically incapable of getting their body in a position to affect a proper tackle, or mentally as they make the wrong choice. It's very rare that a fresh player just ***** up and misses their opposite number, especially in first grade. In attack, it's much harder to "earn" an error. It takes a lot more fatigue to cause someone to **** up a pass or drop a ball. Hence why our dropped balls on Thursday night were so damaging for the team. If it were tennis, most of them would be unforced errors, dropping the fucking ball cold under bombs, or with the line wide open. It's conceding errors without the opposition having to properly earn it. Put simply, Oates and Isaako don't drop those balls, the game would have played out extremely differently
It's also why I don't think major changes, at least in terms of bringing in inexperienced players is the answer. The reason Seibold does his training at a higher speed & intensity is literally to reduce errors. It's the equivalent of altitude training for runners, exposing them to much tougher conditions so that when the big day arrives, the real conditions seem a lot easier. But it's not an overnight thing. The players are likely still adapting to it, so bringing in new players or wholesale shuffling of players in to positions they haven't trained in properly would be like starting your pre-season again and throwing the work done out the window.
Keep the faith and two things will happen. Either the players will start to get used to it, they'll improve as the season goes on, and the work will start to pay off and we will indeed be less error-prone on both sides of the ball. Or, we'll find out that our players and their skill-sets just aren't suited to that kind of playing style, and Seibold will either have to adapt his coaching style to suit the squad, or start bringing in players that do suit. I'm hoping on the former being true.
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Great post.
My major concern is that there are simply too many expectations placed on the "new" Broncos and Seibold to the point that a successful recovery from admittedly poor performances is compromised: a catch-22 situation.
There is no doubt that the defensive efforts v the Roosters were below par however "unloading" on the team given where it is at for mine is hardly conducive to a constructive analysis of the problems, a strategy for overcoming them, and recovery on the field.
There has to be a balance between accountability and over-the-top blame and shame. I don't envy Seibold's job at all but, I have faith he will restore the energy and direction this talented squad has.
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I agree that completion rates are an essential stat but the most vital start to take away from Thursday night was the missed takes and post contact metres. Yes I know the possession caused us to make more tackles and therefore miss more (fatigue and weighted ratios), but it was our technique I couldn't understand. We were using a drag anchor method and getting carried for 10+ metres rather than having one round the lower legs and one round the torso wrapping up the ball. At times we had two or three defenders on the torso. Watching the roosters, they always had one go back up and one go down. If you can't tackle, you definitely are not going to win.
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Morkel
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And yet, our technique and structures looked perfectly sufficient in the 15-20 minutes after half time, which is when we held the ball.
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Nobody has said it let alone hint it, but I'm beginning to think Boyd is deliberately trying to make Siebs' coaching methods look shithouse. Why else would he say he was feeling the fittest and fastest ever, yet fall over, take dummies and simply refuse to tackle players as they approach our line.
There has to be some ulterior motive, as everyone on here can see he is just not putting in. If as people rightly say that he is invaluable to the team not just for his leadership but also for his ability to organise he defensive line from out back, why is there no leadership and why does our defensive line so disorganised that the opposition does not even have to manufacture the overlap as it is already there?
I'm not a conspiracy nut, I hate all this Benny left hidden bombshells shit, but something is really crook with the collective attitude of this team at present and it obviously all begins with how the captain determines how he will lead.
At the moment it is plain to see his mind is just not on the job.
There has to be some ulterior motive, as everyone on here can see he is just not putting in. If as people rightly say that he is invaluable to the team not just for his leadership but also for his ability to organise he defensive line from out back, why is there no leadership and why does our defensive line so disorganised that the opposition does not even have to manufacture the overlap as it is already there?
I'm not a conspiracy nut, I hate all this Benny left hidden bombshells shit, but something is really crook with the collective attitude of this team at present and it obviously all begins with how the captain determines how he will lead.
At the moment it is plain to see his mind is just not on the job.
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No what? :-)
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No to your silly conspiracy theory
